It should be illegal, thank goodness it’s finally being considered
Circumcision classed as possible child abuse in draft CPS document
Submitted 1 day ago by RubberDuck@lemmy.world to unitedkingdom@feddit.uk
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GarboDog@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 43 minutes ago
It shouldn’t be any more illegal than any harmless cosmetic procedure.
The last thing you want is unsupervised and unsanitary procedures done by a religious zealot.
Outlawing circumcision sends you down the same road as outlawing ear piercings or abortions. You’re guaranteed to do more harm than good.
Potatar@lemmy.world 35 minutes ago
The topic is child (cannot consent, hell in some cases cannot talk yet because too young) circumcision, you are talking about puberty+(can semi-consent: can decide who to live with in family seperation for example) issues?
I agree about the black market but perfect is the enemy of good?
xxce2AAb@feddit.dk 1 day ago
Well, yeah. I mean, take a step back and forget about religious justifications and appeals to some nebulous ‘tradition’ for a moment. If I ran around and took a scalpel to the genitals of baby boys without a valid medical reason, I’d hopefully swiftly find myself locked up for a long, long time.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
But there is a medical reason! It’s to make masturbation bothersome. It would really upset the humors you know.
fartsparkles@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s genital mutilation. It’s been done for religious reasons, cultural reasons, social reasons, for slavery reasons, and more.
But cutting up babies’ genitals for any reason except medical intervention for relevant pathologies is genital mutilation.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
I’ve had it done to me. It’s only helped me.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
This is like telling people who get wisdom teeth extractions have been mutilated.
Naw. We’re okay.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
I don’t think that’s a valid comparison. For people who need wisdom teeth extractions, leaving them in can end up painful and for some even leave them with unable to fully close their mouths too chew.
Nothing bad is going to happen if you leave a babies penis alone.
karashta@piefed.social 1 day ago
I’m pissed off someone did this to me without my consent as a baby.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
How has it harmed you? I’m also circumcised, and it’s only helped me.
Valorie12@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
You have fewer nerve endings in your penis. I’m curious how it’s helped you.
EmpathicVagrant@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
That’s such an understatement but we’re taught it’s normal
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 1 day ago
‘possible’
Cutting a bit from an unconsenting baby’s body. It’s insane.
Jumbie@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Good. Stop mutilating babies.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I highly doubt this will happen, unfortunately.
All it takes is certain lobbyists and press saying it’s anti-Semitic and islamophobic and it’ll be dropped in a heartbeat.
Fingers crossed, though.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 6 hours ago
We should make gelding legal, for people who think circumcision should be legal.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 day ago
The UK possibly doing something good? What timeline is this.
FundMECFS@quokk.au 1 day ago
Broken clock yadda yadda.
TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The UK has been doing plenty of good, just look at the workers rights bill, renter’s rights bill, expansion of free school meals, expansion of breakfast clubs, massive increase in infrastructure investment, banning single use vapes, massive increase in tree plantations, massive increase in green energy/nuclear projects, big increase in pothole-filling, nationalisation of rail, quasi-nationalisation of steel production, large increases in the minimum wage, getting closer to Europe again, etc.
It’s just that there’s also been a handful of bad things (e.g. OSA and other bits). And we all know what the billionaire-owned press and social media who are desperate to get the Tories/Reform in will focus on.
then_three_more@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Don’t worry, our government will somehow manage to make everyone hate the idea then I turn on it in 6 months.
Horsey@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This needs to go the way of foot binding. It’s such an evil practice.
FishFace@piefed.social 1 day ago
I don’t see how this will see the light of day given sensitivity towards Judaism at the moment. Unfortunately a lot of people think that anything which conflicts a religion has a different standard and that a little bit of abuse is then ok.
MouldyCat@feddit.uk 1 day ago
sensitivity towards Judaism at the moment
Judaism and (some of?) its daughter religions - Islam also carries out this practice, and if anything Islam is even more protected by the state.
As many know, Islam also carries out FGM, which is indisputably worse for the victim than male circumcision. Now, there is already a specific criminal offence for FGM, strengthened by the Female Genital Mutilation Act 2003. This makes it illegal to perform FGM in the UK or to take a UK national or permanent resident abroad for FGM.
In over 20 years, only a handful of cases have been brought to trial. The first successful conviction for FGM in the UK did not happen until 2019, and even now there are typically less than 10 prosecutions per year. There are thousands of cases identified every year, (but it’s not often clear how many of those are recent).
My point is that while this suggested new law is welcome, it is unlikely to result in any significant reduction in religious child mutilation.
crapwittyname@feddit.uk 23 hours ago
Wait wait wait… Islam is more protected by the state? Can you go into detail a bit there please?
FishFace@piefed.social 1 day ago
FGM is a relatively rare practice (it’s not mainstream in Islam as a whole) and so outlawing it doesn’t a bunch of mainstream doctors and religious leaders to go “you know what, it’s not worth going to jail” whereas a circumcision ban very well could
But my point was that currently the government is very sensitive about antisemitism and less sensitive about islamophobia. Maybe this was always the case, but it certainly is right now, so for that reason a change like this isn’t going to happen at the moment
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
How can they defend Metzitzah B’Peh though?
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Fucking finally!
stenAanden@feddit.dk 1 day ago
YES PLEASE!
thatradomguy@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
So where do we draw the line? Does it still make sense then to force children/infants w/ ear piercings without their consent?
mholiv@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
We draw the line before both. Easy as.
No piercings before the child can understand the concept of piercings and agree to it.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 21 hours ago
…that’s legal? and businesses will actually do it?
Spacehooks@reddthat.com 19 hours ago
Yes, I was there when mom did it for sister Before she could walk. Mom was peer pressured into doing it by her family. Best part is 2 decades sister doesn’t wear jewelry. Total waste of time just like I told mom.
BunScientist@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
ear piercings, so I’m pretty sure they are talking about earrings.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
An ear piercing is fully reversible, though.
kazerniel@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
It’s not fully reversible. I had it done with the “gun” method as a young child, and I spent years without using earrings and the hole never completely closed.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 1 day ago
My atheist parents had me circumcised because at the time it was recommended for “health reasons”, and was common to do so at the time.
I suppose this means I was a victim of child abuse?
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not defending circumcision, and my son isn’t for what that’s worth. But, They need to be careful how they word this law.
stenAanden@feddit.dk 1 day ago
You were but it’s not your parents’ fault
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 1 day ago
If your parents had instead started a dramatic stretched piercing, would you see it differently? What if they made a pretty scarification pattern on your back?
It is abuse, because it’s a permanent body modification with no medical purpose for which the child has not given consent. I think that for cultural reasons there does need to be protection so that estranged children who were snipped “for medical reasons” back in the day can’t go back and sue their parents, but the word “abuse” is accurate.
Religious or not.
MontyGommo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I’m in a similar boat (circumcised, kiddos aren’t). I do wish I wasn’t from a… sensitivity perspective? But I can’t argue about the ease of keeping it clean, and how pretty it looks all the time!
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Yeah, Same boat.
Let’s talk about how woman literally prefer it. No, really. Let’s talk about this.
Lemmy and Reddit are full of white knights trying to fight for people who have no qualms with this.
Deceptichum@quokk.au 1 day ago
Gonna let you in on a secret, but uncut dicks aren’t hard to clean, like at all.
And as for aesthetics, I much prefer them but that’s purely subjective. Some people like prince alberts, so I’m not gonna judge.
Diddlydee@feddit.uk 1 day ago
How many cocks are you washing for comparison?
AlmightyDoorman@kbin.earth 1 day ago
Ease of keeping it clean? So you wash your dick? Because that doesnt change wether your are circumcised or not...
jaybone@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
I’m curious, how do Jews and Muslims feel about these laws?
solomonschuler@lemmy.zip 6 minutes ago
I’ve said this to my Jewish family countless of times how unethical the practice is. After all, I saw a statistic which said 70000 Jewish babies die each year from urinary tract infection because of this ritualistic performance.
To me, for someone who stopped believing 3 years ago, I’ve waited for this ban to happen.
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 minutes ago
I’m curious, how do two huge groups with myriad subsects and differences between each other feel about these laws?
— you, right now
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
I can only imagine. It’s my religious belief to kick the baby in the face.
kazerniel@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I wonder if there’s a way to figure that out… Maybe try reading the article?
gwl@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 minutes ago
I do worry this will turn out yet another case of “Right Thing, Wrong Reason” like the gov keep fucking doing, again and again
Red Tories appealing to bigotry rather than cause unnecessary mutilation is a bad thing