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  • iii@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I once failed a uni assignment, because the teachers assistant wrote remarks on a pdf in a way that’s only viewable in adobe’s products.

    She failed is because “we ignored her remarks”. Had no idea they were there.

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    • Hansae@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Had the same in gymnasium, eventually got it overturned via bitching about it. Notes wouldnt even show up on their webapp : /

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    • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Ooh I would fucking LAY into her in the review if she did that, and cause a drink to the dean. That shit would’ve pissed me off so bad. I hate when people expect you to be telepathic like that.

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      • FeatherConstrictor@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        To be honest she probably didn’t even know that the comments were only visible to Adobe product readers, but that’s still infuriating as hell

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    • Meron35@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Tbh it’s probably less of an Adobe problem and more due to the absolute mess that is PDF annotations.

      Despite being a defined open standard, most free PDF viewers either don’t support them (zathura etc), or fuck them up (GNOME evince). Even some of the viewers that do support them like Okular need extra configuration.

      Unironically Firefox as a PDF viewer actually has the best support for PDF annotations.

      The state of PDF Readers on Linux - Discussion - It’s FOSS Community - itsfoss.community/t/…/12798

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  • TimeNaan@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wasn’t .docx also supposed to be an open standard but M$ kept fucking with the implementation so it would only work in Office?

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    • nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Embrace, extend, extinguish.

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    • Puttaneska@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Isn’t it open? It works with Dropbox and macOS Numbers opens .docx and saves as .docx.

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      • otacon239@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        So does LibreOffice, but they’ve been called out multiple times for purposefully making the format overly complex to make it as hard as possible to reliable read and write to it.

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    • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes, it technically is a standard, but because it’s an ISO standard you have to pay for I wouldn’t call it open. www.iso.org/standard/71691.html but people have different definitions of what an open standard is and I’m not trying to critique them.

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  • ExtremeDullard@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Could we perhaps not drag RMS out of whatever dark place we're blessed not to hear about him from?

    We have enough pedo shit going on with the POTUS at the moment.

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    • abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I agree, I fixed it.

      Image

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      • loweffortname@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Image

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    • blurb@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      For anyone who’s not aware:
      stallman-report.org

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      • ExtremeDullard@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thanks. Sorry I should have linked to it. I kind of assumed it was common knowledge.

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      • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Does using the computer just turn people into this?

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      • Zetta@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Wow, he’s quite passionate. I just kept scrolling through the quotes and it never ends

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      • jcr@jlai.lu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        For anyone who is not aware: https://stallmansupport.org/

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    • Serinus@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, LibreOffice saves in docx. Which is fine as long as you don’t care what it looks like when they open it.

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      • arrow74@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        At least for school assignments this is easily fixed by just opening it yourself in the school library and adjusting format. It’s usually pretty minor.

        Honestly most of my professors accepted papers saved as pdfs which was helpful too

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    • crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      When I was in college and I needed extra time on a paper (because I procrastinated too hard), I would deliberately save the .odt as an incompatible .doc format and submit it. Which gave me at least as much time as it took for the professor to let me know they couldn’t open it and ask to resubmit.

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    • FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Who is RMS?

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    • HowAbt2day@futurology.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What do we do ir we want to be automática?

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  • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Everyone knows the only acceptable formats are .pdf and .tex, everything else should be shunned out of society.

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    • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      .tex is a source format, not a presentation format, and as such should not be valid in a submission field.

      they should take .ps though.

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      • AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Dvi file then.

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      • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Hmmm, a compress folder full of the .tex and the resources.

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    • Little8Lost@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      .pdf can contain malware
      But the entire paper in a .jpeg would be hilarious

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      • drspectr@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Any format can really contain malware

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    • thebestaquaman@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago
      • If it’s meant to be pretty, portable, and only for reading: pdf
      • If it’s text with no formatting: txt
      • If it’s formatted and editable: md
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      • TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I know png has issues but I HATE ANYTHING ELSE googles OWN version of PowerPoint doesn’t support their OWN file format!!

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    • eah@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      .tex

      Ha, lamers. A true wizard writes their assignments in roff.

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      • BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        roff? Ha poser! I use CTSS /s

        Nah, I hand code my postscript on magnetic core memory with a geomag stud.

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    • Allero@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I wonder how people actually work with LaTeX.

      Do you actually write all the headers and stuff manually through a TeX editor, or do you use tools that do it for you?

      Because the former sounds incredibly tedious.

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      • A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The former, it becomes easy and “natural” fast, as you memorize the stuff, eventually you become so used to being able to specify how the document should be specifically that using WYSIWYG stuff like word is awful, you start to fight with the document editor…

        But there is stuff like overleaf if you want something less direct, it is still LaTeX but it has tools and Whatnots to do it easier.

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      • iamkindasomeone@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I do both, but usually I use markdown to write the texts because it features basic formatting like headers and bold text, but it’s faster and easier to write. Then I use pandoc to convert it into .tex and do the final editing and adjusting directly in Latex.

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      • thebestaquaman@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Do you actually write all the headers and stuff

        I’ve used Latex as my go-to tool for writing anything that needs formatting for years, and I’m not quite sure I understand what you mean?

        I start off my document with a documentclass statement, which is one line…? And then I will sometimes usepackage a couple things for further document-wide formatting, but we’re still talking about a small handful of lines (like 5-10 at most).

        The preamble can grow quite large for big documents with a lot of specific formatting, but I have some boilerplate preambles with the most common packages lying around that I can copy-paste in. Usually however, the preamble grows as you’re writing the document and you add things dynamically as you need them.

        I would love to give you a better answer to your question, since my impression is that pretty much no one that swaps to Latex ever looks back, and I would love to help you learn. Feel free to expand on what you mean by “all the headers and stuff” and I’ll try to give a better answer :)

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    • NerdsGonnaNerd@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I used typst for my thesis and a couple of assignments and can absolutely recommend it. Easier syntax and ultra fast compilation.

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    • flango@lemmy.eco.br ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      .tex supremacy

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  • ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Okay, I just want to say I blame schools for Microsoft’s monopoly on personal computing. School sysadmins are always dazzled by the shiny looking gifts that Microsoft gives them, ensuring the next generation of Microsoft useds is ready.

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    • Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes I really liked the “microsoft excel and spreadsheets” class everyone had to take for 1-2 whole years. That one tool designed for you to learn basics within weeks.

      I mean imagine how many negative side effects on education there would be if we just spent one or two weeks learning KStars or Geogebra or Kalzium.

      Don’t worry tho cause with microsoft backing openai I am sure every student will be given a set of chatgpt premium accounts to “help” them in their learning.

      You lose some you lose some.

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      • eah@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Schools could have used that time they were “teaching” the Office suite to give an introduction to unix, programming, and the basics of how the internet functions. I had to read and analyze Beowulf, Shakespeare, Chaucer, and Homer and memorize the names and formulas of 33 polyatomic ions. Computing education to the same depth should have been and should be required as it was required for the other subjects.

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    • flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Really?

      They’re almost universally Chromebooks and the Google suite for schools these days…

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      • lime@feddit.nu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        yeah but that’s fairly recent.

        when i was in school in the late 90s it was all microsoft all the time. we had courses specifically on Microsoft^TM^ Word^TM^. that sort of indoctrination isn’t visible in the workplace until the people going through it are old enough to work.

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      • DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        K-12 use Google, University use Microsoft

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      • Legom7@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        A couple years ago I interned for computer support at an elementary school in NYC. Most students had Chromebooks and Gsuite, K-2nd grade had iPads. Teachers had Lenovo laptops with Windows 10 and Office365.

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  • mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Haven’t used word in over 20 years and have no intention of ever using it again.

    OpenOffice baby!

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    • MazonnaCara89@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      OpenOffice 💀 Dude that thing doesn’t get a proper update since 2014, the most they do today is code style changes!

      Indeed the libreoffice team wrote them a letter in 2020 about this: blog.documentfoundation.org/…/open-letter-to-apac…

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      • iltoroargento@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Libreoffice is so nice. I also use onlyoffice on my phone, and have liked it so far.

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      • mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Works great for any and all word processing and spreadsheet that I need.

        I don’t do that much of it anyway so I don’t really need anything more than open office.

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    • lefixxx@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      *libre office

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      • mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Yes. I know, it’s more popular than open office but I’ve used open office for so long now I don’t want to switch.

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    • Jumuta@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      btw libreoffice is just a continuation of openoffice development

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  • bigfondue@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Most of my professors prefer pdf

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  • PropaGandalf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    most of them accept pdfs so if thats the case for you just write the assignment in typst or latex and compile to pdf

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    • absentbird@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      This is the way.

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  • GreenShimada@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Best thing I ever saw was an Italian cooking class that sent recipes as an ODT, and then 20 minutes later as a DOCX as an afterthought for the Americans.

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    • Emerald@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Why not pdf?

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      • GreenShimada@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Because the chef didn’t know how to do that? I dunno.

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  • matmarspace@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    It’s the right thing to complain about that kind of stuff and to do it officially.

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  • sommerset@thelemmy.club ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Do you remember when radicals were trying to cancel RMS because of him merely defending some accused person.

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    • eugenevdebs@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No, I in fact don’t.

      I recall people questioning his publicly stated beliefs on his website that he updates frequently of “what if the child consents tho?!” when defending someone accused of sexual assault.

      www.stallman.org/archives/2006-mar-jun.html#05 Ju…

      Dutch pedophiles have formed a political party to campaign for legalization.

      I am skeptical of the claim that voluntarily pedophilia harms children. The arguments that it causes harm seem to be based on cases which aren’t voluntary, which are then stretched by parents who are horrified by the idea that their little baby is maturing.

      stallman-report.org

      All link his personal website for her views and documented credited places for other statements/citations.

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    • kilgore_trout@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The whole feud was very sad to unfold.

      Ok, he is not perfect, but we need him, now more than ever. Even if only as a symbol.

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  • simplejack@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nick Offerman after getting Jumanji’ed

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  • axEl7fB5@lemmy.cafe ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Me when the school system is Google Classroom

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  • TomMasz@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I can smell this pic.*

    *Not a compliment

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  • daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Mine accepted both. The professor read it from a web app anyway.

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    • kilgore_trout@feddit.it ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      🤮

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      • daggermoon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        agreed

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  • pheggs@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    just rename the file and submit it as a .docx, it’s their fault

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  • Toes@ani.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I use RTF because it works on most systems out of the box.

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    • absentbird@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I write my papers in markdown. Simple to write, easy to paste into Discord or Lemmy, and you can use pandoc to instantly turn it into any format you like.

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  • ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Can’t OpenOffice export to DocX?

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  • random_character_a@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Personally complain to the it crew and you get that look.

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  • bunchberry@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I would do my work in Open Office at home, save it to doc/docx, then when it is entirely completed, I will bring it to the library to load it in Word on a library computer and correct any formatting issues and resave it.

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  • ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Mine accepted rtf.

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  • individual@toast.ooo ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    that’s an old looking William Riker

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