This isn’t baking class 🥺
HELP HIM.
Submitted 10 months ago by fossilesque@mander.xyz to science_memes@mander.xyz
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cybervseas@lemmy.world 10 months ago
FelixCress@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It can be, you just need to squeeze harder.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca 10 months ago
Worst icing ever
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.cafe 10 months ago
Noooooo. Poor rattie :(
Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org 10 months ago
They generally don’t mind this
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 10 months ago
I’d like to see their survey results
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world 10 months ago
This pic looks like the same from a post people talked about how this is used to transport lab rats around a lab, that it cam be comforting to them, comfy confinment or something. tldr the rat is safe (for a likely lab rat) and this is humane treatment.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.cafe 10 months ago
Not really. It causes them stress. “Safe” and “Humane” are variable. But it definitely isn’t the “best” restraint method.
As for example explored by this paper: pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10844733/
stray@pawb.social 10 months ago
The rat is safe in that it can’t hurt itself or others, but they feel the same about this kind of confinement as humans do. I guess whether that counts as humane is a matter of opinion.
Psythik@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Unfortunately this is rather tame compared to the fucked up shit we put ratties through in the name of science.
FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.cafe 10 months ago
I know… :(.
I’m sure some of it is worthwhile. But knowing a couple applied researchers who work in animal labs, according to them a large amount of what is done is absolutely useless and only serves to get out a new useless product TM or publish a paper that looks good.
WalnutLum@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
socsa@piefed.social 10 months ago
Ow lawd, he pipin
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 10 months ago
For those who don’t know, this is how some labs use rats and mice when the are uncooperative. I don’t think the intent is to hurt the mouse, just to contain it briefly.
Not saying it’s okay or not okay. Just saying why it’s like this.
prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I’ve seen a vet do this to a rat at the vet who was very much only interested in climbing
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 10 months ago
it definitely doesn’t hurt the mouse, maybe they’re a bit uncomfortable but it’s just all-round the best solution for everyone involved
BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Best solution would be to not use antiquated systems for testing for human consumption, a method that isn’t even that indicative of how it would react to a human anyway.
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 10 months ago
And they probably grab the rat by the taip and beat the shit out of it.
pupbiru@aussie.zone 10 months ago
yeah! animal testing only exists to cause harm! outcomes are irrelevant - science gets off on beating up animals and THATS why animal testing exists… those sadistic pricks
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
Despite all my rage
apotheotic@beehaw.org 10 months ago
Despite all my nag*
Toes@ani.social 10 months ago
This image fills my heart with dread :[
This reminds me of when a lab technician explained to me what happens to all the mice at the end of the experiment. 😭
Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 10 months ago
The fucked up part are the experiments, not the euthanasia.
Rats have to be killed because we don’t know if they will continue to suffer after the painful experiments done on them. They can’t be let out either because it can harm the general rat population. Companies don’t give enough of a shit about keeping rats alive in rat retirement homes either.
shneancy@lemmy.world 10 months ago
which is doubly so sad because rats don’t even live that long :( if an experiment lasts 1,5 years an average rat will only live for 6 more months. a rat retirement home wouldn’t even be a big commitment
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de 10 months ago
but also like, it’s kinda nice to not do cancer research on humans, for all that animal testing sucks human testing is almost universally viewed as 1000x worse and doing no testing at all is also unacceptable because that means we don’t decrease the amount of humans who suffer terrible diseases and deaths (which for reference can be you or people you love).
Nikls94@lemmy.world 10 months ago
In my country, for a vet to pass classes, they need to put a rat in anesthesia. Those rats are all the same weight and age. I’ve adopted 3 once. They’re amazing pets but only live for up to 3 years
Mostly_Roblox@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Bloomcole@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Patisserat
stray@pawb.social 10 months ago
Can images of animal abuse please be labeled as such and get a NSFW blur please?
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 10 months ago
Isn’t this standard practice ?
apotheotic@beehaw.org 10 months ago
Slaughtering animals is standard practice in the meat industry, what’s standard practice gotta do with anything?
lmmarsano@lemmynsfw.com 10 months ago
What part of them is unsafe for work?
angrystego@lemmy.world 10 months ago
They didn’t say it’s NSFW, just that they’d appreciate the blur. Not everyone wants to look at such things randomly.
stray@pawb.social 10 months ago
It’s been put forth that we should have other kinds of censor tags on Lemmy, but NSFW is currently the only one supported. It’s been used here and on other sites for disturbing imagery of murders, spiders for arachnophobes, etc. Even without that, a text tag of [animal abuse] facilitates the use of client-side content filters.
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
Out of sight, out of mind
apotheotic@beehaw.org 10 months ago
That’s how the meat industry thrives, for sure. However you can protest against things and also not want to see them uncensored on your feed
stray@pawb.social 10 months ago
Do I need to look at images of dead Palestinian kids too? Does wanting to go about my day in a measure of peace mean I don’t really care?
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 10 months ago
[deleted]stray@pawb.social 10 months ago
I’m literally eating vegan nuggets right now, but thanks for being an ass.
apotheotic@beehaw.org 10 months ago
Dawg we’re vegan we fucking know, we just don’t want to see this shit uncensored on our feed.
fossilesque@mander.xyz 10 months ago
Pls put the image in a spoiler tag to stop the barrage of reports. 🙏
devilish666@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Ahh that’s why my cake icing taste like Black Death
Draedron@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Fuck all animal testing and every scientist participating in it.
MrFinnbean@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Yeah. Fuck those scientists. Especially the ones that have created life saving things like penicilling, insuling. And its so shitty they used lab rats to test useless things like covid vaccines lately. I mean why to use poor rats. They could just have tested the vaccines with poor people.
And fuck cancer treatment too. Lets just treat people blindly, they are going to die anyway, why not make their last moments suffering just because you like mouses. Maybe we just should stop trying to cure cancer.
enumerator4829@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Computational biochemistry is slowly getting there. Alphafold was a big breakthrough, and there is plenty of ongoing research simulating more and more.
We can probably never get rid of animal testing entirely for clinical research, we’ll always need to validate simulations in animals before moving on to humans.
I do however agree that animal testing outside of clinical research approved by a competent independent ethics committee can fuck right off. (Looking at you, cosmetics industry)
AlolanYoda@mander.xyz 10 months ago
We can probably never get rid of animal testing entirely for clinical research, we’ll always need to validate simulations in animals before moving on to humans.
Getting rid of animal testing is the exact purpose of organ-on-a-chip research! This is actual bioengineered cultures, not simulations (not dissing on computational biochemistry - also extremely important)
If you can test without the full animal, then models (in this context, models = what you use for testing, be it cultures or animals) based on human induced pluropotent stem cells (ie cells taken from live, adult humans and forced to revert to a stem cell status) in an in vitro setting can actually be more relevant to human physiology than live animal models.
There are a lot of caveats (if it were easy, it would already be done), and there are barriers needed to be overcome for in vitro models to even come close to in vivo and ex vivo models. But a lot of people are investing in it, not (only) due to ethics but also due to lower model cost and better match of in vitro results with the actual effect on a live human body.
I can give papers when I get home, if you want.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 10 months ago
What’s wrong with thalidomide? We can just put the shelves lower!
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Shame whoever took this
OsrsNeedsF2P@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
This is how we treat rats in the lab. Sorry if you buy any products tested on animals.
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
Fuck animal testing
I hardly believe there aren’t other ways to manage animal research
Kuori@hexbear.net 10 months ago
kinda wish this came with a cw for animal abuse
Fedizen@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Its probably not a good way to transport them because that looks very stressful but it probably keeps them warm so it might be better than a metal cage.
Slowy@lemmy.world 10 months ago
It’s a decapi-cone… for euthanasia (sorry)
Slab_Bulkhead@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Kolanaki@pawb.social 10 months ago
Piping hot rat.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Apply directly to the cake
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
It ain’t easy being tapered.
enbiousenvy@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 months ago
pocong rat
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 10 months ago
I’m not going to yuck Remmy’s yum.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Does anyone remember bonsai-kitty?
funkajunk@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Does this hurt the rat?
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml 10 months ago
The action of putting them in the tube doesn’t, some of them actually quite like it. However, this is a rat used for testing of some kind so it will be hurt at some point
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world 10 months ago
Maybe it’s in the control group
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
Eventually yes
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 10 months ago
I am going to hypothesize here: depends on how long rat’s in the tube.
I’m imagining a scenario where a vet has to X-ray a pet rat. Rat goes in the tube for 5 minutes while images are taken and then Rat can come back out of the tube. Rat’s probably going to be okay. A treat may be in order.
If he had to stay in there for a month, I don’t think he’ll ever be a normal rat again.
SeaDawg@lemmy.world 10 months ago
No. Image
swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 months ago
IS IT WORTH IT
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de 10 months ago
Cellular peptide cake is the best