Urge to pirate, rising…
‘Doom: The Dark Ages’ DRM Is Locking Out Linux Users Who Bought the Game
Submitted 1 day ago by Hubi@feddit.org to games@lemmy.world
https://www.404media.co/doom-the-dark-ages-drm-is-locking-out-linux-users-who-bought-the-game/
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grrgyle@slrpnk.net 6 hours ago
Goronmon@lemmy.world 57 minutes ago
Or you could always just not play the game? It’s that not an option?
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 53 minutes ago
But I’m already doing that. I want to do my part to dissuade bad software practices.
Who am I kidding I’m just going to keep working through the Cacowards forever.
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
I’ve downloaded software that I had paid for, simply because of the bullshit involved with DRM, licence unlocking, etc.
If the user experience of a paid software or service is inferior to a pirated version, then the developers are doing something wrong.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 1 hour ago
Same. At a minimum, I remember having to d/l no-CD cracks to get around the annoying and totally unnecessary disc DRM (that required you to insert the disc, just to prove you had it).
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
Necessity*
User79185@discuss.tchncs.de 6 hours ago
Meanwhile, DRM-free Doom (2016) is here, it also runs quite good >>> www.gog.com/en/game/doom_2016
pyre@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
with good music too
yesman@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Just another reason to wait long after release to buy a game. Denuvo charges games companies to administer the DRM infrastructure and most developers will strip it out of their games after it’s been out for a while.
Buying games on launch is one of the most anti-customer experiences you can get. And that’s saying something in our wonderful capitalist economy
TheFeatureCreature@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Buying a game post-launch:
- Better prices; often on sale.
- Fixed and patched up.
- Extra content often included.
- DRM often removed.
No brainer, imo.
Agrivar@lemmy.world 1 day ago
You forgot a bonus point:
- Hardware requirements are now easier/cheaper to meet/exceed.
endeavor@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Preordering games: I need this digital product before jt goes up in price or runs out of copies!
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 hours ago
Remember when games used to, at least sometimes… do actual internal beta testing to iron out performance bugs and such?
Now we are all alpha and beta testers, all the time.
Sometimes even AAA and ‘AAAA’ games release, and then unrelease before the alpha or beta is even done!
Yeah, patient gaming for me, haven’t preordered or gone into an early access game in almost a decade now…
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Cons:
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maybe multiplayer isn’t very populated if you wait too long
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???
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thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Pirating single player games is unfortunately the way to go, considering you BUY a single player game and STILL get fucked on it.
CybranM@feddit.nu 1 day ago
Disagree, like yesman (lol) said it’s best to wait. I’m not that worried about playing games day one but I still want to sort the Devs, after they’ve patched out the bugs and removed DRM preferably
shiroininja@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Pirating is getting so hard for me that it’s becoming not an option. Comcast has started blocking vpn nodes for me, but only of I am torrenting. And if I turn off the vpn, DMCA notices out the ass. I’m kinda stuck.
piefood@feddit.online 1 day ago
Patient gamers represent! The older I get, the less I care about FOMO. The less I care about FOMO, the happier I am. It's a beautiful cycle.
/me goes back to playing snes games on an emulator
JayGray91@piefed.social 1 day ago
A lot of things in life are improved once you excise the FOMO mind cancer.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yeah, there’s so many good games and so little time, I don’t understand how anyone wouldn’t have a big backlog anyway.
Sabin10@lemmy.world 1 day ago
They also typically go on really good sales right around the time denuvo gets removed.
MystValkyrie@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
Aww, that’s disappointing. Linux users with a DS or who use emulators should look into Orcs & Elves in the meantime. It’s another good fantasy-flavored FPS from ID and it’s pretty good.
VagueAnodyneComments@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
Orcs & Elves dude, sick, i never heard of this one 👍
Etterra@discuss.online 6 hours ago
Why though?
ripcord@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Read the article?
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Earlier this year, I got a game I liked on steam. Pretty much 3d Rimworld. After playing for 20 hours over a few weeks, I sporadically started getting errors about me having “no hardware activations” left for the game, and how I should wait 24 hours. I have never installed it on any other machine.
It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.
gradual@lemmings.world 8 hours ago
It is so very silly that a pirated copy would be the more seamless experience.
Yes, let’s all accept this reality and stop being useful idiots.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 day ago
+1 tell us the title
VeganCheesecake@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
As someone guessed above - Stranded: Alien Dawn
iamdefinitelyoverthirteen@lemmy.world 1 day ago
What’s the game?
Piemanding@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Kenshi is the only 3D Rimworld like game I know and wouldn’t do anything like this.
MITM0@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Selaco is much better than this. It’s basically F.E.A.R+Classic doom
It runs on linux & utilizes the GZDoom engine & for some reason attacked by the anti-woke mob
gradual@lemmings.world 9 hours ago
Just torrent your games.
Stop rewarding companies for taking advantage of you.
ulterno@programming.dev 3 hours ago
Just don’t run their shitty silicon burners on your system and get some good stuff.
Support teams that are willing to make builds for the latest Arch release (and tell me too if you find any :P).I have narrowed down my “to pay” list to GoG + Linux games, only problem being, since they are not open source, we still depend upon them rebuilding the binaries for the latest systems. Otherwise, we need to then keep an older version of Ubuntu for it. Really wish GoG pushed Debian as a standard for those cases (for old games which the dev might not rebuild), because Ubuntu ages worse than Debian, when out of LTS.
13igTyme@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I completely forgot about that game. I played an early demo and thought it was pretty good.
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
Refund and wait for a crack. Fuck Denuvo and fuck Bethesda for using them
CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
It’s not really Bethesda anymore though is it? Either ID software or Microsoft, no?
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 3 hours ago
I completely forgot Microsoft bought Bethesda lol explains a lot
andybytes@programming.dev 16 hours ago
Didn’t fall for it, even when they whisper sweet little lies in my ear, I just say to myself, I quit gaming. I’m done. If I can’t own it, I ain’t playing it. And now I just joined the class war. Because you know, there is no war but the class war.
Glamborghini@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
If I can’t own, I pwn.
ulterno@programming.dev 3 hours ago
If even not that, perhaps you can look into [wning
agelord@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I can’t own it, I’m pirating it.
atlien51@lemm.ee 5 hours ago
Pause?
flop_leash_973@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yet more evidence that the smartest thing you can do if the game comes from a AAA studio is hold off on buying it for 6-12 months.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 1 day ago
If the game comes with Denuvo, never, ever buy it.
buddascrayon@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I think the point is that they often eventually remove Denuvo and it becomes a moot point.
Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
explodicle@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I remember when their DRM was just telling you that you’d go to HELL if you pirated it.
Randelung@lemmy.world 1 day ago
🥺 pwease money?
rumba@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
mo_lave@reddthat.com 21 hours ago
Only way for this to change is to vote with your (virtual) feet and wallet and “cancel” games that have DRM, in my opinion.
Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 21 hours ago
Good luck, there is DRM on almost every peace of software you buy. Most of it you never notice but it is there. I am guessing
Id~~Bethesda ~~Microsoft went a little too hard on their DRM. We will probably have another Spore situation here and its becomes going to become the number one pirated game of 2025. Or maybe not, the last Doom game wasn’t that great and I am assuming this one is trash too.andros_rex@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
With EA and Spore - SecuROM was a straight up root kit. Basically malware. Pretty sure on the Sims 2 forums there were people who had their computers bricked. (Sims 2 was already messy enough to reinstall sometimes, EA did lots of weirdness with the registry.)
Sony did something similar with music CD’s. Their elaborate scheme to prevent you from ripping your CD’s more than three times or whatever created a vulnerability that was actively exploited by malware developers.
mo_lave@reddthat.com 17 hours ago
There are a lot of indie/open games that are DRM-free. I refuse to think all good games are the ones with DRM
kameecoding@lemmy.world 1 day ago
All this drm nonsense ever does is punishes the paying customers and maybe delays cracked version by a few days, but fucking pencil pushers still put it into everything.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 19 hours ago
i wanted to buy it because i know it will be good.
but ill pirate it instead as soon as its cracked. thanks.
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 13 hours ago
it won’t be cracked, you have to hope the devs leak the drm-free version
gradual@lemmings.world 8 hours ago
it won’t be cracked
How do you know?
Saleh@feddit.org 1 day ago
Fuck Microsoft. They enshittify everything and they support a genocide by helping to select targets to murder. No game is worth supporting this.
DeathsEmbrace@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Microsoft isn’t the only company helping Israel target children and women especially in hospitals.
jsomae@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
How is this response remotely relevant to the comment you’re responding to?
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 1 day ago
This is true but Microsoft is the one which made the BDS list for being most responsible.
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 20 hours ago
Man, they’re taking the “dark ages” part seriously.
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 1 day ago
you aren’t buying doom because it has denuvo. im not buying doom because i am boycotting microsoft products. we are probably a little similar
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Also it’s $80 fucking dollars for the base edition. Everyone complaining about Nintendo game pricing but Doom gets a pass apparently.
Ulrich@feddit.org 1 day ago
Aside from screwing Linux users, they’re also screwing AMD users with forced ray-tracing + broken FSR.
Mwa@lemm.ee 7 hours ago
Even amd users are suffering like Linux users Microsoft got no chill 💀
Naz@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
I have FSR working (Win10+ AMD 7900XTX), but it’s obvious that they have screwed the pooch in optimization.
I just finished Doom: Eternal yesterday before the Dark Ages came out and it ran fully maxed out at 1440p @ 240 FPS without upscaling and was gorgeous.
Dark Ages looks pretty much the same as Eternal, but runs at 120-144 FPS.
That’s still absolutely playable but how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
vxx@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
how did it lose 50% performance in an IDTech game?
One game has Denuvo, the other doesn’t.
Ulrich@feddit.org 20 hours ago
How did you get it working? I’m getting like 40 FPS over here.
MummysLittleBloodSlut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Denuvo identifies a user opening a game with multiple versions of Proton as multiple machines. It thinks that’s piracy and locks the user out of the game
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Seems like it should be an easy patch, right? Assuming they have any desire to (I think it “runs” on Steam Deck, so that might be enough incentive)
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
Actually, I think that might be harder than you’d imagine, at least as things work right now
Valve would probably need something in the Proton API to help ensure programs don’t think each version is a different PC as that is kinda the point of how Wine/Proton work (by creating a fake virtual PC and running things through that), or change how prefixes are handled so that all proton versions default to the same prefix (which would have other issues im sure)
None of which would be a problem if they just exported the game from their software into a native Linux format, of course. Doom runs on Unreal, yeah? Should take 0 effort to make a native Linux version of the game, but they won’t
vortexal@sopuli.xyz 23 hours ago
Seeing this pains me, especially considering Id Software’s history with Linux. Prior to being bought by Bethesda, every Doom game, and at least most of Id’s other games, had native Linux ports. Even Doom 3 had a native Linux port, it doesn’t seem to work anymore but there are source ports like Dhewm3 available for it.
Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 21 hours ago
This is what happens when bean counters make the decisions. Linux is only 4% of market share so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 20 hours ago
so I am sure the cost of supporting Linux users was not worth it.
What’s so fucking annoying about these DRM issues is that basically all of the AntiCheat and DRM we have WORK ON LINUX IF YOU ENABLE ONE FUCKING SETTING
Easy AntiCheat for example is quite literally a checkbox at some point of compiling or whatever, I’ve seen someone do it!
BreakerSwitch@lemm.ee 19 hours ago
It wouldn’t astonish me if this were a semi-deliberate act by microsoft. While they’re trying very hard to expand to every platform, non-windows pcs seem to be the exception. Linux and OSX have the game gamepass support as your phone.
alehel@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
I never buy/install games with Denuvo. Guess it will be a while before I’m playing this.
IEatDaGoat@lemm.ee 19 hours ago
Eh 70 dollars for 10 hours of repetitive gameplay is bad value anyway.
vga@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Doom 2016 was the peak. Eternal had that one song that kicked ass but that was mostly it.
zecg@lemmy.world 1 day ago
While it has Denuvo it can get fucked, they’ll remove it in a few years, I’m a very patient gamer with a family group that has 1.5k games in library.
giacomo@lemm.ee 1 day ago
anti-consumer feature is anti-consumer. more news at 11
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 1 day ago
That probably explains all of the crashes reported by windows users too. ID Software what happened? You were supposed to be the chosen one.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Was this before or after this: lemmy.world/post/29593011
Because I’m curious why Valve would have gone to so much trouble to make the game run on Linux just to ruin that.
Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Gonna be honest, if Dark Ages represents the future of Doom: Doom died with Eternal. I’ve played probably 75% of the game and it’s enough to turn me off of every future title.
Xttweaponttx@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
After how id treated my man Mick Gordon, I’m torrenting cracked versions of their games here on out - pulling the patient gamer card.
Fuck the management at id. Just another corporate machine.