Boomers still think fast-food jobs are part-time things that teenagers do for some pocket change. They literally do not grasp the idea that there are adults working there to pay rent and buy food.
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mriswith@lemmy.world 1 day ago
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
Agree with them “Sure. Then they should be closed during school hours, right?”
ToastedRavioli@midwest.social 21 hours ago
They dont even realize that teenagers dont even have jobs anymore mostly
thedruid@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
look can we stop with the boomer crap? that is a myth and disproved so many times. lets work together instead of insulting whole generations of people we don’t know
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
ok boomer
Bosht@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
It’s not a myth. If it wasn’t so disgustingly true across the board I’d be in agreement. Class war over generational and all that, but I’ll also call out the systems and people that are actively (STILL) shitting all over progress. Their generation is at fault in large part to why we’re so utterly fucked and continue to be (see Reagan). The majority of our gov is run by geriatric fucks that refuse to align with their constituents and cling on to their positions until they’re literally in wheel chairs. Those are fucking boomers. They’re in charge still, and they’re the ones holding the reins on voting in any iota of progress in any number of categories, one being minimum wage. Fuck them.
TonyTonyChopper@mander.xyz 16 hours ago
L+ratio
RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
You should look into the Pew Charitable Trust paper about why they are abandoning generational studies. In short they are inaccurate and wrong for every generation except one. Want to guess which generation bucks the trends?
Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
I cannot remember the last time I saw a high schooler working at a fast food joint.
peregrin5@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
Don’t worry. With Republicans working hard to repeal child labor laws, you should see more in fast food and also in the mines soon!
hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Every food service place in my area fired their under-18 staff. Apparently it was a manager fad to declare minors “too much trouble” and so the only high schoolers I see are bagging groceries or camp counselors for little kids. My kids are 15 and want to start working but the best job in town that allows them is serving dinner and doing laundry at the fancy retirement community.
listen1377@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Well, maybe they shouldn’t, and should go find another job that pays more, you know, like normal people?
jerkface@lemmy.ca 18 hours ago
Why should a full-time employer be permitted to pay an employee less than it costs to merely survive? It’s like you WANT to live in a culture where humans are exploited and thrown away when they break.
HookedSiren@lemm.ee 20 hours ago
How out of touch are you?
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nobody works there because it’s their life dream. If they work there it’s because of some benefit like having some money vs no money.
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who should be working there then? Like, someone has to. Who do you think belongs there?
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can@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Just go away. We don’t want you here.
You’re either a troll or lack all empathy for others. Neither are anything to society.
peregrin5@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
You’re right. I’ll quit my job tomorrow and apply to be the next Elon Musk. Give me 6 million in seed money now please.
Nay@feddit.nl 1 day ago
But if no one has to struggle, how will we know who’s beneath us??
zqwzzle@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Hint: we’re all at the bottom and there’s only another layer
TachyonTele@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Lateral poverty
danc4498@lemmy.world 1 day ago
He struggles so the billionaire can own a yacht.
peregrin5@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
Third yacht.
Jimmycakes@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
I don’t think they flip them anymore. They just cook both sides at once
onnekas@sopuli.xyz 16 hours ago
If a job at McDonald’s doesn’t pay your bills and groceries then who do you think would even do this job?
People who are already wealthy and do it just for the fun of flipping burgers?!
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Maybe! I have long maintained that if I ever luck into being obscenely wealthy, I will absolutely open some manner of food service or retail establishment similar to those I’ve worked at in the past, but not give a fuck about turning a profit and make a cornerstone of my business telling off customers for being the rude, self-centered, and entitled little shits that so many of them are. I’ll consider it a much needed public service.
Transtronaut@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 hours ago
I’ve occasionally dreamt about doing this with a bar. I picture it like the sitcom Black Books, but with booze instead of books.
jmf@lemm.ee 4 hours ago
So many people believe those jobs solely exist for highschool college kids to get started in life until they ‘develop skills.’ I can’t even imagine the lack of empathy you have to have for all those not in that position desperately trying to live.
barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
They are trying to get us to accept the the new American Economic Paradigm that ALL households require at least two paychecks to exist, and 3 or 4 if you want to get ahead.
Of course, employers want us to be enslaved to them for our entire schedule, so they don’t like us working second jobs or side hustle.
Time for Robin Hood economics (take from the rich, give to the poor).
Kolanaki@pawb.social 11 hours ago
I wanna work in a library. Not much people, quiet, simple.
But it doesn’t pay, like, anything. :/
hedgehogging_the_bed@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I loved working in libraries. But even after becoming a manager, i couldn’t feed my kids. It sucked. I miss it.
ameancow@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I always wanted to be a teacher. I have a passion for teaching people new ways of looking at the world. I manage a team and used to open every Monday call with a chat about science news until the higher-ups started cracking down on “unproductive time.”
Then I got to know a few teachers, and the way they have to work one or two other jobs on the side so they can afford to bring their kids art supplies and science books and I just don’t have it in me. Massive respect to the men and women who stick with their teaching careers despite not being paid, respected or honored in any way by Western society.
voltaa@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
Massive respect to the men and women who stick with their teaching careers despite not being paid, respected or honored in any way by Western society.
America isn’t the entirety of western society
Notserious@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
I washed dishes part time and afforded a crappy apartment and beer. In our neighborhood many of the houses are rented out by invitation homes. We never have a neighbor for long as there is a lot of turnover. It’s bullshit these companies can just take over the neighborhood.
Invitation Homes Inc. is a public company traded on the New York Stock Exchange. It is headquartered in the Comerica Bank Tower in Dallas, Texas. Dallas B. Tanner is chief executive officer. As of 2017, the company was reportedly the largest owner of single-family rental homes in the United States. As of July 2024, the company owned about 84,000 rental homes in 16 markets.
Kalysta@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
If you think flipping burgers is easy, why aren’t you doing it yourself?
Pay all workers a living wage!
Blackmist@feddit.uk 17 hours ago
But if I don’t have my boot on somebody else’s face, how am I supposed to accept the boot on my face?
Checkmate, communists!
DrDeadCrash@programming.dev 16 hours ago
That’s the neat part .png
solsangraal@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
their con man idols tell them that the reason their lives are shitty is because of the mexicans, gays, black people, women, librarians, immigrants…everyone except the people who are literally paying them nothing and laughing at them for it.
and the people are all too happy to believe it
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 16 hours ago
Cookie clicker irl
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 day ago
I think a lot about something i read somewhere - “you hate every piece of capitalism but won’t connect the dots to see that’s the picture”.
SacredHeartAttack@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I have this conversation with people all the time.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 1 day ago
Everything always boils down to people being dumb and if magically the people would become smart, all problems would just get fixed.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 23 hours ago
Not even smart , in a genius-like sense. I’d settle for merely cooperative.
Like if people could drop the petty “movement purity” squabbles and just rustle up that meme energy “apes together strong” for each other as the working class, instead of individualizing their struggles and settling for misery, we could really get somewhere!
Nay@feddit.nl 1 day ago
Well… You ought to know to listen to your betters, too!
DancingBear@midwest.social 1 day ago
If you work, you and your family should have their needs met, aka, we should all be able to help our community have all of our basic needs met
teft@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I’ll do you one better. If you exist you and your family should have their needs met. We have the ability to feed, provide medical care, and house everyone on the planet many times over yet we don’t. I’ll leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure out why we don’t.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today 1 day ago
We should put the psychopaths that can’t care about others in a reserve, where they can make their own hellscape, away from normal people.
So we can have a normal society without some insane psychopath arguing about healthcare, because he happens to not need it.
We will see who’s society is better
Hikuro93@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yes. Minimum wage is supposed to cover every basic living necessity at the very least - from rent to food to even a modest amount of leftover money meant for a bit of fun here and there. It’s not supposed to allow a lavish lifestyle or allow one to eat at restaurants every day, obviously, but it should allow you to live modestly and support your household regardless of you living with others or alone.
So for these McDonald’s overlords who live lavish livestyles thanks to the thankless work these workers put in, then why should they even work at a McDonald’s in the first place? With inflation constantly rising and wages staying where they are someday even a McDonald’s job won’t be worth the hassle for the non-livable pitance of money they receive in return.
Down with overly rich billionaires living off other people’s misery. If your business allows for you to live the most lavish and extravagant life while your workers barely have enough to make ends meet, you are not a successful businessperson, but a grifter to society and use your power to keep the status quo as it currently is. Plain and simple.
jjjalljs@ttrpg.network 1 day ago
Right-wingers remind me of that meme template where the dog has the ball and it’s going “Throw! No Take! Only throw!”
They want a thriving economy, but they don’t want to pay people wages. No pay. Only spend.
SabinStargem@lemmy.today 20 hours ago
GiveOver@feddit.uk 20 hours ago
Ashenlux@lemmy.blahaj.zone 19 hours ago
That’s the part I don’t understand. Why do they not realize that if you give people enough money to pay living expenses and then some, they will spend more money. What is the point of having all the money stuck at the top? A thriving economy requires money to circulate, but its getting caught between the same handful of greedy assholes. And they seem to just want to make the problem worse. If they do that, the economy will collapse and then all that money will be worthless anyway.
RedFrank24@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
I think it should come paired with a heavily unionised workforce, otherwise you end up like the UK where the minimum wage keeps going up, but salaries of people who were previously not on the minimum wage stay the same, so now everyone else is actually earning less because prices are rising but salaries are only rising at the top and bottom, eliminating the middle class entirely.
grrgyle@slrpnk.net 16 hours ago
That is an issue, but it’s still a better world than the one in which only two of the pay bands are making ends meet rather than all three.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Exactly. Don’t let perfection get in the way of progress.
OCATMBBL@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I’m the US, people we have the same problem with college degree+ level jobs being underpaid, but people without them are just impoverished for life. And some of the ones with the college degree jobs too!
MintyFresh@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I know it’s not for everyone, but if you’re reading this maybe it’s for you. The trades! Be an electrician, HVAC, plumber, mechanic, etc. It pays well. I mean you’ll probably never get rich, but you’ll definitely be able to support a family. And, once you’re established you could open your own shop. Be your own boss. Know the satisfaction of building something, working with your hands.
Not everyone needs college. I suspect we have enough art historians to get by. We definitely need more trades homies!
barneypiccolo@lemm.ee 16 hours ago
Starting pay at many office jobs isn’t much more than minimum wage, but at least young workers can tell their parents that they work in an office instead of running a cash register, and they wear a tie instead of an apron. That’s supposed to be worth a lifetime of student loan debt.
Doctor_Satan@lemm.ee 15 hours ago
This comment doesn’t really mean a lot without context. The pay for doctors in the UK varies quite a bit depending on which level of their career they are at. Resident doctors (Foundation Year 1 & 2) earn anywhere between £33k and £37k, Trainees (training in a specialized area of medicine, CT 1-3, ST 1-9) can earn between £43k to £63k. All of these are considered Junior Doctors, who work under the supervision of a Senior Doctor. When they have completed full medical training in a specialized area of medicine (7-10 years), they are Consultant level, which is a Senior Doctor. This can pay between £93k and £126k per year.
For further context, the median individual wage in the UK is £37,430, which is about what second year Resident doctors earn on average. Much like the US, this can be good or bad, depending on where you live. In the North of England, an FY2 earning £37k is solidly middle-class. In London? He’s working-class, but still making far more than minimum wage, and his income will only increase from there.
Speaking of minimum wage… For people 21+ years old, it’s £12.21 an hour. At 40 hours a week, that’s £25,396 per year, or about £7k a year less than a first year resident. There are ZERO doctors in the UK earning “almost below the minimum wage, given the number of hours they actually work.” Unlike in the US where doctors work a billion hours a week, doctors in the UK are unionized (most with the BMA, but there are other unions), and their contracts prevent this. On average, the workload for F1 & 2 (Residents) is 48 hours per week. They do occasionally get hit with longer weeks, but it’s not normal. Their union contracts are designed specifically to prevent overworking and allow them time to work and study/take exams. Doctors working 80 and 90 hour weeks is mostly a thing of the past.
The bottom line is that Doctors in the UK generally make a good living and have strong unions that ensure they continue to do so. That’s not to say things can’t or shouldn’t improve, but their situation is far from bleak. If the only reason you’re getting into medicine is to get rich, then please get the fuck out of medicine. There are much easier ways to get rich than spending the next 20 years studying while you watch people die in front of you.
RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
Also UK doctors do not start out $250-500k in debt nor are they paying 25% of their practice’s income to malpractice insurance.
RedFrank24@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Doctors do still work more hours than someone in an office, meaning their pay is much lower than their salary would first tell you. Also considering the hours they have to work, and the way shifts are operated, their pay needs to be much, much higher. There’s a reason doctors are fleeing the country to Australia where the pay is better and so are the conditions.
lugal@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
People will point out that it makes more sense to punch up than to punch down but the later is significantly easier and better paid.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Punching down gives the monkey brain that sweet squirt of dominance when you see the suffering of your subject. Punching up is unrewarding because you didn’t get results unless everyone else does it, and then you have to share the victory with everyone else.
Focusing your wrath where it belongs doesn’t make the million year old monkey brain squirt the reward chemicals.
andros_rex@lemmy.world 1 day ago
These is why the alt right pipeline for women is transphobia/TERF shit.
Sexism is real, lots of teenage girls and young women feel frustrated and powerless, but they get easy wins going after trans women. They can’t get Dobbs reversed, but forcing trans people to detransition is an explicit goal of conservative power structures. They get to feel like they “won” with that UK court ruling - that “women’s rights” were won by something that did nothing to actually meaningfully help women.
kat_angstrom@lemmy.world 1 day ago
It’s this, and it’s also more than this: there has to be a limitation put on profit, a place at which the corporation achieves balance and success- enough to not feel the need to continually chip away at wages and working conditions or increasing enshittification in search of immediate short-term profits.
If enough profit is never enough, it will forever remain a constant battle between corporations and workers, and corporations and the public.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 23 hours ago
This is even my problem with the system when it comes to “the little guy.” Say you make a coffee shop, or release art, or a videogame, or an invention… There’s always this looming pressure to scale . No matter how much of a home run, that success is almost designed to “dry up.”
Wow, one in a million success! You can chill now right? No, it’s gotta be bigger, better, repeated, infinitely! Franchises, chains, out of place sequels nobody asked for! Overly enthusiastic merch destined for the Pacific Garbage Patch!
It feels like the system forces greed upon people as the state religion because they are not naturally greedy themselves if they’re otherwise taken care of. Savvy business of the modern age has the mentality of cancer.
Even the wealthy need to be imbued with the pathological fear that all they have might get taken from them, so they must amass more and more. It doesn’t even end with their own lives! They must aim for generational private wealth now.
It’s feels like it’s such an outlier mentality to want to find “just enough success to support my people and do some good.”
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I’m chill with safety nets for poor people and regulations on large companies
what I consider far left is when people start saying that the govt should own everything and there shouldn’t be private property. that’s an extreme and I am against that.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
The rational left (i.e. not the authoritarians) only want the “government” to own everything insomuch as the “government” is profoundly democratic.
Don’t confuse “private property” (industrial machines and other means of productions held privately by an investor class in order to extract profit via the arbitrage between the productive value of employees and their flat wages) with “personal property” (your house, car, clothes, dishes, toothbrush, etc.). There aren’t many leftists who think there shouldn’t be personal property.
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Private property that isn’t personal is someone elses property, and if I want to have my own property it makes sense for others to also have it
I don’t want the govt owning my home, or having to rent from a govt, and I dont want to drink water from govt owned companies because at that point it truly is authoritarian simply because the govt has way too much power over your life
There aren’t many leftists who think there shouldn’t be personal property.
I’ve been on .ml before and theres more than a few people than think NK and Stalin are/were good, and are anti-private property
DrDickHandler@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Anyone that states “I’m completely correct” is laughing matter.
untakenusername@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
you want the govt to own everything? if so you are a communist. that actually is the definition
listen1377@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Well, OP has the great opportunity to pay these flippers additional salary from their own funds.
shadow_figurine@lemmy.world 1 day ago
they run them down a conveyer belt or something now i think, they got a location thats totally automated and has no employees
ryannathans@aussie.zone 1 day ago
Sure but we must ask how much should you be able to afford in this position?
LMurch@thelemmy.club 16 hours ago
“McDonald’s is a job for high schoolers, it’s not a career!”
Then why are they open during school hours, and why do you go there during your lunch break, Gladys, when kids are “at school” and can’t “flip burgers”?
rumba@lemmy.zip 15 hours ago
Florida: Let’s expand the work experience program to backfill immigrant labor!
Mpdaves@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Yeah if they pay a living wage to everyone then high schoolers could work part time for real too which would also be better.
Jax@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
I’m glad you asked, the answer is:
CHILD LABOR