(Disclaimer: I voted against Trump and anyone who supported him in my state.)
Remember all thay resistance he faced in 2016? Gone. That shit takes decades to build up and was out of steam four years ago.
After that I have no idea.
Realistically... How fucked is the US?
Submitted 5 months ago by TehBamski@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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MNByChoice@midwest.social 5 months ago
KeenFlame@feddit.nu 5 months ago
The planner will never recover from his systematic sabotage of all efforts to save it. This is what scares me most. He lies through his teeth to make money, a lakey to soulless corporate mega entities and the entire human race will pay for this one man’s greed, long after he has died. Our kids will pay for his opulence and that to me is so sad.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 4 months ago
More fucked than BREXIT.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Well, they want to dismantle a lot of the stuff that protects the middle and working classes. The country will be fine. The people will suffer. Democracy? Judgement is reserved. If he follows through on his idea of a third term without a legitimate amendment to the Constitution then it’s very very dead. But we won’t know that for years.
Dkarma@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Fuck you people will literally die.
Maggoty@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Did you think by “suffer” I meant play with flowers? It’s going to suck for people who aren’t able bodied white men. But the country is going to be fine. It’s a lot more resilient than people think it is.
BigDaddySlim@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Pretty fucked. I’m already weighing my options here now that this has happened. My gf is a Brazilian here on a education visa, will Trump deport her? Maybe. If she goes back to see family during the summer will she be allowed back in? I don’t have much faith she will be. My cousin is trans and in a red state now, he’s very much at risk. My other cousin is queer and also at risk. If my dad wasn’t already dead his disability money will have dried up, not to mention his medications and treatments would’ve been unaffordable more than they already were. Thank fuck I don’t have or want kids so they don’t have to grow up in this shit hole of a country, if there’s even a livable planet left with Trump deregulating and adding to the climate crisis.
We’re about to be bent over the table with no lube
Boiglenoight@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I feel like the U.S. is becoming similar to Russia. For example, we are seeing an autocratic strongman holding the highest office and only vaguely behaving within the democratic system, with a clear intent to rule unilaterally with a congress and Supreme Court that are less checks and more support for maintaining the power base. And as generations continue to experience this way of life, America as a society will forget what it was like for the past 250 years where both parties respected the system with peaceful transfer of power.
It’s sad, but fascinating in a kind of slow motion train crash to be alive for.
BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 5 months ago
To everyone in here saying that this is the end of democracy and this is the end times, what is stopping you from buying a gun and training with other liberals/leftists? Or are you just going to keel over and die?
GiddyGap@lemm.ee 4 months ago
I’m just going take my family and leave the country.
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Just curious, where are you going? My wife doesn’t want to move further from her family or we would be in New Zealand already.
Mac@mander.xyz 4 months ago
I’m not a killer.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If they can afford a gun they likely have one, but rather than forming sects and training it seems like the moral thing to do, causing the least amount of harm to anybody, is wait for the enemy to attack first, if they do attack.
Joining a small militant group or ecoterrorism sect not only brings personal risks but also runs the risk of harming innocents, and being manipulated by other interested parties who would like to see destruction on American shores.
BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 4 months ago
When you say wait for the enemy to attack, how will you defend your community in that eventuality if you haven’t trained to do so?
ohlaph@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I already have guns, several of them.
BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 4 months ago
🤝
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The gun store closes before I get home from work. That’s why I’m going tomorrow.
BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 4 months ago
PM if you need recommendations
b161@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
Good stuff! Join the SRA or John Brown Gun Club if in your area if you can.
yessikg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 months ago
You first
BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It’s exactly what I did the last time orange man was in office, so yes, me first. Now you. Let’s hit the range together.
BlindFrog@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Aren’t bullets expensive though ;. ;
BlueMacaw@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Depends on what you consider expensive. For general purpose training, 9mm rounds (pistol) are easily found at about 25c each and 5.56 (rifle) are found at about 40c each.
schnurrito@discuss.tchncs.de 5 months ago
Realistically… what do you expect to be radically different this time in comparison to the four years Trump has already been president?
Tagger@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They’re organised this time
blackbelt352@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Control of the house, senate, presidency and Judiciary.
dhork@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Last time, I don’t think Trump was expecting to win. He ended up needing to scrape together a cabinet, and a bunch of those officials were old-school Republicans who chafed at all the crazy stuff he wanted to do.
This time, the Heritage Foundation is preparing him, and the new Senate will rubber-stamp all his appointments. He will pick people who intend to “dismantle the administrative state”. Grover Norquist famously wanted to make Government so small he could drown it in fhe bathtub. He might get his wish.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 5 months ago
100% his plan the first time was to lose, talk a lot of shit and complain. Sell a bunch of merchandise and try it again over and over, grifting millions from idiots.
You can see it immediately when he wins. Both his and Melania’s expressions when they get the news show that winning wasn’t the plan. It’s also why he immediately started talking about fraud. He didn’t have any prepared talking points for winning, they were all based on losing and using that to power his next scams.
halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 5 months ago
They’re organized, have begun implementing the government takeover that they’ve worked towards since Reagan, and he’s officially been given immunity for anything he wants to do by the Supreme Court before entering office.
All of these plans have nothing to do with Trump, they’ve been being laid since Reagan and Nixon. Trump just stumbled on them, openly exposing them to the world because he’s such an extreme narcissist he MUST brag about anything he even thinks gives him power. We stopped it the first time, and had a chance to correct, but enough of the population has been drinking the Republican propaganda Kool-aid through Fix News since it’s inception. Fox News was started explicitly as a response to Nixon’s impeachment to provide an open partisan propaganda network for the Republican party. Nixon was going to be just fine until the media started educating the electorate, who demanded something be done. Congress was completely fine with Watergate until that point.
stoly@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Since Nixon. He designed and started the plan that Reagan followed.
Montagge@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
We never recovered from the first time
Empricorn@feddit.nl 5 months ago
Project 2025. Complete control of all branches of government. A Supreme Court that says he can do whatever he wants. I’m sorry to be pessimistic, but we’re absolutely fucked.
EatATaco@lemm.ee 5 months ago
I’m not as doomer as everyone else for the short term. It’s the long term I’m worried about. He might get 2 more scotus members, and he’s going to do everything in his power to undercut any attempt to tackle climate change. And that includes his scotus picks who will almost certainly declare any needed attention to address climate change as unconstitutional.
stoly@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Trump doesn’t actually think he’d be president and never planned for it. They’ve had since then to prepare this time.
aturtlesdream@lemmy.world 5 months ago
There are less adults/competent/people with any morals in the room now. Swap John Kelly and some of the slightly more upstanding members of his inner circle for RFK Jr and some of the worst of the worst
Boozilla@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Project 2025. They exposed their plan and now thry will implement it, and nithing can stop them.
splonglo@lemmy.world 4 months ago
From the wiki on Project 2025:
Critics have characterized Project 2025 as an authoritarian, Christian nationalist plan to steer the U.S. toward autocracy.[14][16][17][18] Legal experts have said it would undermine the rule of law,[19] separation of powers,[7] separation of church and state,[20] and civil liberties.[7][19][21]
“It proposes criminalizing pornography and imprisoning those who produce it,[34][35] removing legal protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation and gender identity,[35][36] and terminating diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) programs[7][36] while having the DOJ prosecute “anti-white racism” instead”
jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It’s actually likely to be better as long as trump waddles on. He’s just so god damn bumbling that even with all the cards, he’ll find little ways to not get his shit done.
Mind you it won’t be enough, and it will be god damn fucking horrific. But decidedly less smooth while Narcissism Jones keeps grabby-handsing the wheel from his handlers and derailing his own goals.
yrmp@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Until they kill him or use the 25th amendment to install Vance. Now that he’s won, you think the people around the useful idiot who have accepted all the Russian money will just let him fuck their plans up?
Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 5 months ago
It’s a double-edged sword, even for the GOP. Trump’s followers are a cult, and cultists follow one person. So without Trump as the godhead, there’s no one with enough (ugh) charisma and panache to unify the GOP rabble.
Hobbes_Dent@lemmy.world 4 months ago
They’ll off him themselves by February and blame it on another nation to get their wartime economy and rights removal powers. And the people will buy merch.
nucleative@lemmy.world 5 months ago
He seems to lack competence in many ways, but some of the guys around him are a whole lot more conniving and potentially effective.
It’s also not likely Trump feels any urge to hire a somewhat moderate(ish) cabinet of professionalls like he did last time. I assume he learned his lesson given that they all eventually turned on him.
So let’s see. I think he’s spent the past 4 years surrounding himself with some bad hombres, to borrow a saying, and now he’s ready to act with fewer guardrails.
wylderbuilds@lemmy.world 4 months ago
The goal is to remake the US into something else. A Christian Patriarchy + Oiligarchy with sham voting every four years. The biggest wild card in their plans is Trump, but as long as he gets to pretend he’s Putin 2.0 – which literally means being able to point his finger to see someone killed – he’ll be happy and easy to play.
Overall, there’s no limit to how fucked we are. There are no brakes and there’s no steering wheel.
Think militias deputized as enforcers.
Think protests put down by the military ordered to shoot to kill.
Think indoctrination of children and political/militaristic organizations for teens.
Think history books rewritten, science education dumbed down, evolution and global warming illegal to even mention.
Think marriage rights taken away.
Think voting rights taken away and voting laws rammed through to ensure Republicans win.
Think Republicans getting enough state legislatures both to call a Constitutional Convention and to ratify a slew of amendments to rework citizenship, enshrine Christianity into the constitution, and generally butcher the Bill of Rights.
Think “real Americans” going after and imprisoning and/or killing hundreds, thousands, millions of other Americans.
Think purity tests and identification papers, total surveillance, digital tracking of every word and action and movement.
Think of your street with a dead body in the middle of it and everyone afraid to go near it.
Think of being terrified for your own life if you accidentally hear someone say something against The Party.
Think of this very comment used as evidence to lock me up or have me killed.
There is nothing, nothing at all, standing in their way. Like in most one-party systems, the competition among the players will be to see how extreme they can get in order to prove themselves to their party, while the rest of us who vainly hope they’ll show restraint will pay the price.
I hope I’m wrong about most of the above. It may not get that bad. But, again, we’ve gone over the cliff and there’s nowhere but a helluva lot of straight down.
dhork@lemmy.world 4 months ago
So the frightening thing us that everything you have written is possible, if Republicans as a whole prioritize it. There are some remaining checks on the whole process, but they are weak and amount to delay tactics.
The biggest check right now is the Military itself. The Military swears an oath to the Constitution, not to the President. That oath will be tested. The Military brass understands their role in all of this. They understand their use on US soil is extremely limited. A lot of the super-fascist stuff will involve them, and they don’t want to be involved. If Trump fires a bunch of Generals right away, that’s a really bad sign, because it means he is going through the various chains of command until he finds a general willing to violate that oath for him.
Etterra@lemmy.world 4 months ago
If they haven’t arrested Trump yet then they lack what it takes to do it now.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 4 months ago
It’s fucked. But it’s been fucked for a long time. You just didn’t see it until the other day. It’s like the foaming at the mouth from rabies. By the time you get that far, it’s too late. But that animal bite months ago, and itching and fever were the warning signs, and everybody ignored it.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 5 months ago
depends on how much of his immunity he chooses to exercise. also be intrtesting to see how many of the new repuglicans fall into line with his shit policy
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 months ago
America has always been a white supremacist slave colony.
It will still be fucking the planet like always.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world 5 months ago
With AMOC collapse underway, the entire planet is fucked. Hope this helps
BonerMan@ani.social 5 months ago
On a scale from 1 to 10 its about 12 now.
BTW, 90 seconds to midnight!!! Hell yeaaaaah!
BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world 4 months ago
I think a lot of bad things will happen, but the biggest problem will be that all vaccination everywhere ends, so millions of children die, and it’ll be another pandemic crisis.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 4 months ago
Think that’s bad?
Try climate change. Trump will dial back all progress and go for beautiful clean coal that was washed and all…
We’ve passed a variety of points of no return, now watch us run for points of fuck you.
But it’s okay, the Jesus cult behind him is absolutely sure that once they’re done destroying the world, Jesus will come for them.
Oh yeah, also Jesus end of the world cult with access to nukes
Fuck America
Mariemarion@lemm.ee 4 months ago
Why would vaccination end? Not from the US - what did I miss?
ATDA@lemmy.world 4 months ago
RFK said something about pulling certain vaccines which is insane in itself but not all vaccines.
BangCrash@lemmy.world 4 months ago
Vaccination won’t end.
There are plenty of countries around the world that aren’t as insane as the USA.
AA5B@lemmy.world 4 months ago
It all depends on whether they’re competent and can act together for their goals. Many of those goals are truly horrible, but
- Trumps first term was incompetent, fractured. Despite all the chaos and destruction, they did nowhere near as much damage to peoples lives as they wanted to
- My conservative brother is all too typical, dismissing the worst statements as “he’s not serious. He’d never do that”. We have to hope people like my brother are right
Coreidan@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Let’s be real we are fucked no matter who the president is. With or without him the world is headed down the toilet.
Birch@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
There was a slim sliver of hope left that we might reduce the acceleration towards the planet becoming largely uninhabitable for most people, but that is gone now, many of the brakes we had before are about to come off
Mechaguana@programming.dev 4 months ago
Its hard to say cuz hes so unstable, but since his party has been hijacked by his sycophants and own the three branches, id guess some crazy shit. Maybe this will finally make the americans understand that voting has consequences, and that some minimal homework is needed to choose. But honestly no one on this planet has any faith in the average american so i predict ww3, mass incarceration with slavery (woops already has been happening, but for even more ppl), demonization of any minority, and a general loss of wealth that will be vacuumed by the upper class. Man I cant believe you guys let trump hire Elon fking Musk, hope you guys like living like one of his employees.
46_and_2@lemmy.world 5 months ago
The orange shrivelled taco will probably keel over before his term ends. Just look at him, does this look like someone who might survive four more years?
What would happen afterwards with JD Vance at the helm I’m less clear.
HawlSera@lemm.ee 5 months ago
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mlg@lemmy.world 5 months ago
Someone joke bet $500 Michigan will be blue with a +4% lead so I think I’ll joke bet $500 it will just be a repeat of 2016-2020 except 1.5x worse and then by next election maybe the DNC will learn to run a normal primary again and promote a popular candidate who actually promises to meet constituents’ demands instead of ignoring them.
Also someone on this community asked what everyone would do if Trump won and I said I’d probably make a collage of a years worth of my comments telling people ignoring genocide would cost Democrats the election.
So I guess I might go do that now and say “I told you so” to everyone who told me I was wrong.
coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works 5 months ago
The Fifth Risk is a very good read for anyone who might be interested in a finer grained look into the lesser-known functions of our government 👍
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 5 months ago
It depends…
Do you think Jimmy Carter has seen the season 4 finale of Breaking Bad?
ivanafterall@lemmy.world 4 months ago
🛎️
eatham@aussie.zone 5 months ago
Probably fine
PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Nothing will happen. We’ll all get up in the morning, maybe eat some breakfast, go to work, come home, play with the kids, eat some dinner, may shag your wife/husband, go to bed. Repeat. I can’t wait for four years to fly and be just as boring as the last four years.
Custodian1623@lemmy.world 5 months ago
surprise pregnancy, wife suffers from complications, isn’t allowed to abort, dies painfully
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 5 months ago
surprise pregnancy
or rape. even incest. better not live in a red state if you have ovaries.
PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 5 months ago
That could have happened in specific states anytime in the last 2.5 years. That’s not specific to the next four years.
lemonmelon@lemmy.world 5 months ago
O, to be so proverbially blissful.
PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 5 months ago
O, to be so unrealistically terrified. Filled with misery and woe.
accarezzu@lemmy.ml 5 months ago
Oh, my sweet sweet summer child…
Actually, maybe that’s what life will be like for a white, upper middle class, cisgender-heterosexual married male in his late 30s-40s, but for anyone who isn’t that… oh boy are we fucked.
PlainSimpleGarak@lemm.ee 5 months ago
Well, I guess you better hurry up and become those things.
Dudewitbow@lemmy.zip 5 months ago
most problems are state level problems, so generally unaffected, but any interstate, constitutional amd international problem is up in the air
kandoh@reddthat.com 4 months ago
What happened to the Iranian left after 1979’s revolution:
The Iranian left played a significant role in the 1979 revolution but was ultimately suppressed and marginalized by Ayatollah Khomeini’s Islamist forces in the aftermath. Here’s an overview of what happened to leftist groups after the revolution:
Initial Collaboration and Support
Many leftist groups initially supported and collaborated with Khomeini’s movement to overthrow the Shah:
- Various Marxist-Leninist, socialist, and communist organizations participated in the revolutionary coalition[5].
- Some leftist groups like the Tudeh Party (pro-Soviet communists) and Fedayeen (urban guerillas) attracted many student members[5].
- The leftist-Islamist group Mujahedin also gained significant support among students[5].
- Many leftists viewed Khomeini’s movement as anti-imperialist and hoped to push it in a more progressive direction[1].
Gradual Suppression
However, Khomeini and his allies soon moved to sideline and suppress leftist forces:
- In March 1979, Khomeini declared “do not use this term, ‘democratic.’ That is the Western style,” signaling his opposition to liberal and leftist ideals[2].
- The National Democratic Front (a leftist group) was banned in August 1979[2].
- Universities were purged of leftist influence starting in March 1980[2].
- By early 1981, the government had closed MEK (People’s Mujahedin) offices, banned their newspapers, and issued arrest warrants for their leaders[2].
Violent Crackdown
The suppression of the left intensified into violent persecution:
- Between 1981-1985, nearly 8,000 political opponents were executed, many of them leftists[3].
- In 1988, a “Death Committee” oversaw the mass execution of leftist prisoners[1].
- Overall, the Islamic Republic’s crackdown on dissent was far more brutal than the Shah’s regime, which had executed fewer than 100 political prisoners between 1971-1979[3].
Reasons for Failure
Several factors contributed to the left’s inability to maintain influence:
- Lack of unity and organization among moderate and radical leftist factions[2].
- Underestimation of the conservatism of the Iranian masses[2].
- The left’s secular ideology conflicted with the religious fervor driving much of the revolution[1].
- Khomeini’s skillful co-opting of leftist anti-imperialist and social justice rhetoric into an Islamist framework[3][4].
Legacy
By the end of 1979, the “secular middle class” and liberals had been largely sidelined, leaving mainly Islamist factions in power[2]. The suppression of the left helped consolidate the Islamic Republic’s hold on power and narrowed the range of acceptable political ideologies in Iran[3]. However, some leftist ideas around social justice and anti-imperialism were incorporated into the Islamic Republic’s ideology, albeit in a religious framework[4].
Citations: [1] Ideology and Iran’s Revolution: How 1979 Changed the World institute.global/…/ideology-and-irans-revolution-… [2] Aftermath of the Iranian revolution - Wikipedia en.wikipedia.org/…/Aftermath_of_the_Iranian_Revol… [3] Four decades later, did the Iranian revolution fulfill its promises? brookings.edu/…/four-decades-later-did-the-irania… [4] What Iran’s 1979 revolution meant for the Muslim Brotherhood brookings.edu/…/what-irans-1979-revolution-meant-… [5] How Iran’s Theocrats Allied With — and Then Crushed — the Left jacobin.com/…/chahla-chafiq-iranian-left-khomeini… [6] Iranian Revolution | Summary, Causes, Effects, & Facts - Britannica www.britannica.com/event/Iranian-Revolution
intensely_human@lemm.ee 5 months ago
The US is just as fucked as everything and everyone else, which is 100%