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Explain that, science nerds!

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Submitted ⁨⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨science_memes@mander.xyz⁩

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  • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I’ve literally had this argument on lemmy about two weeks ago. It always goes like this:

    Me: [some comment to the effect of “the planet is dying”]

    Them: the planet will be fine. Yes all life will perish, but the earth itself will continue.

    Me: . . .

    Them: What. It’s just the fact. Don’t worry about the planet.

    Sometimes they quote Carlin without realizing it and without context so to them it’s not a joke about how fucked up we are, it’s a simple truth without any additional layers. It’s a little boggling.

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    • Neato@ttrpg.network ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s pedantry for the sake of being right. They care more about winning than the actual argument.

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      • dohpaz42@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This is why I detest the concept and celebration of “technically correct”. No, it’s not the “best kind of correct”, it’s being an asshole.

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      • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I dunno, maybe. I mean, technically they were right but even when I agreed, and explained how while that’s correct it’s also beside the point, they didn’t like that either.

        ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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      • lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s not even pedantic. It’s that same logic you could use to say killing a person does no harm to them because their body still exists afterward.

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    • Skasi@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yes all life will perish, but the earth itself will continue.

      Why would all life perish? From what I’ve heard and read about nuclear disaster exclusion zones, humans disappearing tends to make space for other forms of life that had previously been displaced by cities full of humans and such. To my understanding long time life probably won’t care about anything for the next few million years.

      Short term many or most humans might die or suffer. I don’t think it’s easy to predict how fragile humankind is, civilization may crumble. I doubt all of humankind will be gone in a thousand years, though I wouldn’t bet against a semi “post apocalyptic” future.

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      • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Basically it’s due to the heat, acidification of the ocean, and the massive drop in oxygen production as the ocean acidifies.

        Most of the oxygen we breathe is produced by microorganisms in the ocean and as the ocean gets more acidic (from absorbing CO2 from the air) and hotter (from greenhouse effects) it makes it harder for those little fellas to survive. And when they die their impact on our breathable air goes away. And if course the stuff that’s eats those organisms no longer have food and due off.

        That’s not even mentioning just the heating from greenhouse effects making unlivable temperature conditions (humidity + heat = unable to cool down and overheat) more likely to occur.

        All life wouldn’t perish per se but the current complex animals we have (and us humans) would be greatly impacted to say the least.

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      • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Because the threat is not a nuclear winter. It’s the disruption of all environmental systems that regulate the planet that is the threat in question. Which, in turn, disrupts the food chain, which starves whatever requires that food, which is for all intents and purposes, all life.

        I don’t understand how this is such a conversation with so many people here.

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      • jabathekek@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Why would all life perish?

        All life wouldn’t perish, the only things that will be left will be certain bacteria, phagocytes and viruses that can tolerate and indeed will likely proliferate in extreme environments. Everything larger then that will die of starvation due to a cascade of failing systems, likely starting with the death of the marine biosphere when the temperature rises to unsustainable levels and/or the pH lowers too much for the same effect. Though of course no one really knows what will actually happen because there are too many unknown variables.

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    • brrt@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Ok, let the downvotes come but I’m one of those people. And the point I’m trying to make is that the planet and life itself will survive and probably even be better off without humans.

      Just look at what happened after the extinction event that killed the dinosaurs. Humans are causing the next extinction event and afterwards life will just start fresh again.

      So no, saving the planet is not the goal. Saving humanity and most of all other current life is. And if that’s what you want to accomplish then that’s what you should talk about, specifically.

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      • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        . . . the planet and life itself will survive . . .

        How are you defining “life itself”?

        . . . and probably even be better off without humans.

        I’d say that goes without saying.

        Humans are causing the next extinction event and afterwards life will just start fresh again.

        Start “fresh”? Like with single-celled organisms? Maybe a billion years later we’ll be back eating sandwiches? Okay, so what process created sustainable environments again? Humans left some sort-of-permanent damage. Nuclear waste, PFAS, etc. Sure a good ol’ pole shift and a few asteroid impacts and we’re back in business.

        So no, saving the planet is not the goal. Saving humanity and most of all other current life is. And if that’s what you want to accomplish then that’s what you should talk about, specifically.

        God this is fucking exhausting. The prevention of unmitigated and prolonged suffering by all sentient life is the goal, YES. Kudos to the possibly viable future space rock and the wisdom to acknowledge our utter inability to protect one single planet from ourselves is laughably inadequate and - CLEARLY - irrelevant.

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      • lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Willfully misinterpreting what people say is a dick move. You’re apparently proud of being a dick.

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    • cRazi_man@lemm.ee ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Climate change isn’t going to be an existential threat for a very long time. Realistically we’re making life incredibly difficult and expensive for ourselves. Population numbers will drop markedly over time. But people don’t see that this is still something to take urgent action on.

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      • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Depends on if you work outside for a living or live near a coastline or a forested area. It won’t be like a Star Trek: The Original Series where everyone’s in a big room and a red glow starts pulsating and we all groan and crumple to the floor. No, it won’t be like that.

        It’ll be like heat exhaustion exacerbated a hitherto unknown heart condition that deaded you. Or a Cat 6 hurricane rolled a tree over you. Or failing crops mean you couldn’t fight off COVID-26 or whatever.

        No, we’re not going to all die at once, as such. Depending on your timeframe for “at once”.

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    • lurch@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      not even all life. i’m sure some microbe or spore will survive long enough past human extenction and life will flourish once again. there are some very robust little lifeforms out there, living in boiling volcanic water or surviving frozen in permafrost. i’m sure some can manage in high CO2 levels and hot climate.

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      • Skasi@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Life existed long before there were any significant levels of oxygen in the air. I doubt humans can undo much of the ~20% oxygen level that exists today. And I think that’s reason enough that life even bigger than microbes won’t die out.

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      • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        sigh

        Yes.

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    • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s also true. It’s a great way to bring home the reality to people who still think climate science is about preserving some wetlands while we continue as normal.

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    • jol@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Even life will never perish. We’re certainly going to cause an apocalyptic level extinction event, taking many species with us, but life will always find a way.

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      • jabathekek@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Likely as slimy mats on the floor of what’s left of the ocean. Also whatever’s left in hot-springs and caves.

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      • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ughhhhhhhh.

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    • sukhmel@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I don’t know, whenever I hear such arguing it makes me feel like it emphasises the issues we as humanity have gotten into, not belittles.

      I mean, hearing “everything is doomed” is kind of epic and has it’s charm. Hearing “only the humanity is doomed” makes me feel shitty and want to do something about that.

      tangentially related, CW: suicide

      Probably the same way one of the suicide prevention methods is de-romanticization of death, a lot of people expect death to be pretty, and it’s not

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      • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        ‘Everything is doomed’ is epic and has charm, but ‘humanity is doomed’ moves you to action.

        Okay. I mean. Whatever gets the action i guess.

        Epic and has charm?? I don’t . . . Its . .

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  • Rooskie91@discuss.online ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ah yes, Venus. Famously teaming with life.

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    • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      teeming

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      • flambonkscious@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Is that what you kids call ‘it’ these days?

        (I know, I should really get out more)

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    • Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Hey, the planet is just fine, that was the point right?

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    • Snowclone@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I heard Venus never even had an infection of a biological nature.

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      • LordWiggle@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Also, nobody is gay on Venus because Venus doesn’t have rainbows.

        Wait a minute, Venus sounds like the perfect place for conservatives! Elon, get your starship up and running and take all your buddies and musketeers to Venus! Please! I promise all liberals will stay here.

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      • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        no one in venus ever had Cancer

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      • Pilferjinx@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        “If we stopped testing right now, we’d have very few cases, if any.”

        -Donald Trump Venus

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    • Worx@lemmynsfw.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I hear that’s where women are from

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      • Ziglin@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Wrong Venus I’m afraid.

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    • iAvicenna@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      it is like your opinion ok

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    • Bertuccio@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s always good to have life on your team.

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    • uebquauntbez@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      All women AND men came from Venus. Long ago. They had to leave their home planet cause of the climate crisis there. They modified the next planet in row to fit their purposes and continued to make profits there. And as a joke the leader of the immigrants named the next planet ‘Earth’, cause it was covered with water 70+ % and blamed women only to come from Venus and having destroyed the planet by buying too few shoes and clothing, cosmetic products and wanting equal rights. To show men were totally innocent, he took the planet on the other side of new home and named it after his favorite chocolate bar to show how innocent, really innocent the men were. Back then. Ah, yes, forgot. The immigrants were only 1% of the population of Venus. But they brought all their important shiny stuff with them. All the gold, all the gems, though forgot to bring blueprints of their technologies, technics and knowledge. So they had to invent every little piece of shit again and again …

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  • hellfire103@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It’s the second time I’ve seen this tweet in 24h, and I still can’t believe this isn’t meant to be ironic.

    I’m almost impressed by how dumb this guy is.

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    • Sphks@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What?! It isn’t?

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      • hellfire103@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I had to double-check to make sure; but no, it isn’t.

        xcancel.com/JunkScience

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    • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I thought he was making a joke, I actually laughed, fucker was serious? Fuck off with that.

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      • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This is what happens when you treat arguments like chess pieces and not, you know, reason. I don’t believe this guy has any idea what he just said. I also don’t think he cares.

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  • vzq@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Venus is literal lead-melting, acid raining hell.

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    • lugal@sopuli.xyz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Just answer this short question: how many people died on Venus ever and how many on Earth?

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      • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        trick question. you can’t die on venus if your body is dissolved by the acid-mosphere and your space craft implodes from the atmospheric pressure.

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    • jabathekek@sopuli.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Perfect for exfoliating skin.

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      • Empricorn@feddit.nl ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        And bones!

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    • ID411@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Fuck liberals.

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      • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Back and mah day, we had lead in our paint and lead in our hearts and were just fine, if you ignore all our wild violent behavior!

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    • CameronDev@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Toughen up /s

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  • BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Technically correct

    The best kind of correct

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  • NutWrench@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    “But the planet is still there.”

    Check and mate! I feel so PWN3D. You see? If you don’t mind not breathing, carbon dioxide isn’t so bad after all!

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    • BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      it only said to the planet not anything living on it

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      • orbitz@lemmy.ca ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Like Hitchhiker’s guide…is it safe? Oh yes it’s safe but not us.

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  • 100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I never meant to cause you any sorrow

    I never meant to cause you any pain

    I only wanted one time to see you melting

    I only wanted to see you

    Melting in Venus’ acid rain

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    • androogee@midwest.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Little dead mankind

      Baby you’re much too oxygen-dependent

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  • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    oh, and the atmosphere on venus is mostly sulfuric acid. No big deal.

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    • SuiXi3D@fedia.io ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The pressure alone would probably kill you if you didn’t suffocate first.

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      • statist43@feddit.de ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        BUUUTT, you are able to exist there.

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      • lolcatnip@reddthat.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It would most definitely kill you.

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  • altasshet@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is just a recycled George Carlin bit.

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    • pyre@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      yep. technically correct, the earth will probably still be here no matter what. we won’t.

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    • Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s still funny.

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  • EmoPolarbear@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So…. If I’m reading this right, because the giant ball of acid that eats spacecraft before they can do any meaningful exploration on the surface remains a ball we don’t have to worry about becoming more similar to said ball of acid?

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    • prettybunnys@sh.itjust.works ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Nah. Just means earth itself is gonna be fine. It’ll keep being a planet.

      Humans … we’re fucked.

      Earth? She good.

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      • homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Could you define “good”

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  • OldWoodFrame@lemm.ee ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    i.redd.it/7slc1qkpa7l91.jpg

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    • Venator@lemmy.nz ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      mother gaia you think just because you can’t exist, nothing can

      right wing politicians challenge accepted 😏

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  • CaptainBasculin@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Now lets compare the lifeform counts in both planets

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    • Potatos_are_not_friends@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Women are from Venus check mate.

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      • legion02@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        From. They all had to leave

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  • naught101@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Milloy has been spouting denial for decades, but this might be the dumbest thing I’ve seen him say yet.

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  • uebquauntbez@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Ask Elon to shoot him to Venus for a brighter future. Plzzzzzzzz!

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  • KrankyKong@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Everyone seems to be taking this seriously. Am I the only one here that reads this as sarcasm?

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    • SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You might also be the only on here who didn’t read his bio.

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      • petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I’d have to actually search his name then, right?
        I don’t know who this person is.

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  • BilboBargains@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Technically correct, the best kind of correct. Also, this is trolling.

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  • Naz@sh.itjust.works ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think he deserves an award for being possibly the stupidest human being alive, like a reverse Nobel.

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  • cypherpunks@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    oldie but goodie

    screenshot of same tweet as OP’s but with some replies

    the original tweet (nitter)

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  • selokichtli@lemmy.ml ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Oh. Earth will be fine, then? Now we can breathe easy.

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  • Binette@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This has to be satire. There is no way…

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  • mkwt@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    FYI: I think the estimate is that humans can burn all of the fossil fuels that exist several times over and still not hit the critical tipping point that leads to Venus. So Venus is not really on the table as a worst case scenario.

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  • Sam_Bass@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Care to post some Venusian blurbs to drive your point?

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  • refalo@programming.dev ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Correlation is not causation.

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  • Avialle@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    He could also shoot himself in the head. The surprising part? He’s still there. Maybe not much alive, but still there.

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  • zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨10⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We have our first volunteer astronaut to Venus!

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