Not buying a shaver from Philips again..

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• thantik@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Having experience with electromechanics - I have seen times where this was done on purpose to make sure that people aren’t trying to reuse an incompatible plug for charging purposes. NiCd doesn’t charge the same as LiFePo, Li-ion, etc. Charging voltages, polarities, stability of power output, etc.

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  • mp3@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I bought this one from Conair because it is rechargeable with USB-C.

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    • b3an@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      And how is it as a device?

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  • moitoi@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My next shaver will be USB-C. It’s now a standard for charging whatever you want.

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  • AlexWIWA@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I know a lot of RC brands did this too. They didn’t want people blowing up their Li-On batteries with old chargers, or getting complaints because it takes three days to charge.

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  • UnityDevice@startrek.website ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    To be fair though, they just need to make everything USB-C anyhow.

    Careful what you wish for. Putting advanced electronics into very simple devices will just make them fail a lot faster.
    Some old device just needed 12V over a barrel jack to run some motor or light and charge the battery and it lasted a decade - only failed because the battery got old. New one now needs a state of the art power delivery chip to negotiate the right voltage and current, and all over a very fine pitch connector that will fail if you look at it wrong. Not looking good on the durability front at all.

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    • uis@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Are you Apple engieneer? Because I have no idea why PD chip is state of art for you

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Since when is a BMS advanced technology?

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  • FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The only issue I have with USB power solutions is that it’s also capable of data transfer, which is bad. Imagine a dystopian future of being tracked by companies and governments by the places you plugged your shaver in at, of all the stupid things.

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    • thantik@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s capable of data transfer…but to a power brick in the wall?

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    • uis@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Making communication over barrel jack is not hard either.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      USB is capable of data transfer but only if there’s compatible hardware in the device. The shave it doesn’t have any capacity to transmit data so what’s it going to do there’s nothing to track all they get is “someone has plugged something that requires some power into this port, but I don’t know what cuz it doesn’t have any brains”

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    • UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      We should all use public chargers. I heard they’re safe

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    • qaz@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I think the bluetooth/wifi functionality on most modern electronics is much more worrisome than that.

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  • Aux@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    No, shavers should not use USB C. Because in developed countries you cannot have USB in the bathroom. We have special shaver sockets and they’re not USB compatible.

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    • thantik@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Then you should refine your laws. Because my shavers all use USB C; and the EU has mandated USBC in specific products, and it wouldn’t be a bad idea to expand that.

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• ShadowRam@fedia.io ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  the new trimmer, the charger is USB-A only. Where's the previous one had the plug on it instead.

  Maybe I'm confused.

  Your new trimmer takes in USB (Low Voltage DC) power.

  Your old trimmer took in Plug (High Voltage AC) power.

  If that's the case, yeah of course the plugs would be different? You'd fry the new one with the old plug.

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  • zovits@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    The OneBlade has a transformer in the wall plug part, the actual cable going to the handheld unit is only carrying low voltage.

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    • Creat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      What low voltage though? Unless it’s 5V like USB (non-PD and non-QC), they should and need to be incompatible.

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  • Smokeless7048@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    came to say that. Looks like the old one was 15v, while if the new one is USB-A it was 5v.

    Now, if it was USB-C, it could still have been USB-C!

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  • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Neither of them take AC power. I have an older one similar to OP’s old one. It uses a wall wart and the input is definitely DC.

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• DarkThoughts@fedia.io ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Are you sure they charge with the same specifications? This might just be to avoid potential fire hazards & damage.

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  • june@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yea, one might be alkaline while the other is lithium. Or maybe even just different flavors of lithium.

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    • bort@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      does that matter? I though only the voltage and wattage would play a role

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• HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Nice of then to make sure you cant accidentally blow up your new razor because you assuned the old cable would work if it fir.

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  • michael_palmer@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    So stupid idea. What if some 220V cable from a third-party manufacturer does fit?

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    • HopFlop@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Plugging in a random cable from some random manufacturer is not a thing that most people would consider doing. (Furthermore, I doubt that any 220V cable would fit, these connectors on the picture are smaller than they look).

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• rbesfe@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The old cable supplies 15V, which would fry your shaver that is expecting 5V

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  • intensely_human@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I think the real sin here is making the shaver dependent on stored charge instead of just letting it run immediately after being plugged in.

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    • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s a common safety feature for wet & dry razors. It’s so people don’t take them into the shower or bath while it is plugged in.

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    • friend_of_satan@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Battery charged trimmer lets you shower and trim, which is pretty awesome.

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• kent_eh@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Is the charge voltage the same on both?

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  • Magister@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I guess not, the USB one is 5V obviously, but the other one can be 12, 7.2, 8.4, 3.2, whatever

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  • Chainweasel@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Figure eight connectors like that input line voltage. So even if the charge voltage is different, the chargers still require the same line voltage.

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    • dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      These are smaller plugs than the figure-eight cords you’re thinking of that plug into old boomboxes, Playstations, etc. They’re DC voltage, not AC.

      The WTF here is not that the manufacturer changed the connector slightly, it’s that they were too cheap to include the AC-to-DC converter part of it like they did on their older models, so OP has to buy a USB wall wart to power the stupid thing. The fact that he can’t use the old charger with the new shaver is just an irritating side effect.

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• ra1d3n@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I have both of these and one charger is 8v and the other is 15v.

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• friend_of_satan@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  God, why don’t they just make it usb-c PD and be done with it?

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  • hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This style of connector wedges itself watertight, so there’s that

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  • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Because USBC isn’t watertight

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    • dirtbiker509@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The one on my phone is though? It even knows when it’s wet and won’t charge until it’s dry.

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    • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Many wet-dry rechargeable razors don’t let you run them when they’re plugged in. Power cords + water = ⚡💀 ⚡

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    • uis@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      You mean cable or socket?

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  • FlyingSquid@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Here’s my only issue with making everything in the world USB-C…

    Different cables have different functions or even are able to handle different voltages and amperage and right now, it’s not clear what cable holds what functionality.

    If there were some sort of international color code standard or something, it would be perfect. As of now, I have to keep track of what cable goes with what device.

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    • uis@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Every cable should be rated minimum 5V 3A, have functional CC, power and data(Dp, Dn) pins as Type C spec requires. Which means it should also be capable of USB PD.

      AFAIK every in-spec cable should be able to carry 20V 3A.

      Problem is not bad standard, problem is non-compliant cables.

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    • charles@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      If all your devices are USB-C PD rated then you only need to have cables and wall adapters for your highest rated device as all others will only demand what they can tolerate when the handshake happens after plugging in the cable. The only exception would be devuces that don’t follow the spec but use the plug for cost saving reasons which is a completely seperate issue.

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    • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m with you. Our phones, the laptop, the Switch, even my vape pen, all use USB C, but most of the cables we have only work on half the devices. Kind of defeats the purpose of being “universal”.

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• gerryflap@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Isn’t it to make sure that you’re not mixing two incompatible chargers? I have 2 Philips chargers that do fit (as far as I can see), but are not the same voltage. I’ve previously also had something like this where 2 fitting chargers were completely different electrically, one 12V AC and the other 9V DC. One time a family member mixed them up, bit luckily the extra voltage didn’t fry anything. I don’t mind having to get an extra charger of it prevents me from doing something dumb and frying my electronics.

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• steventrouble@programming.dev ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • Dozzi92@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They used to be an insurance company. How can I trust them knowing that?

    Wahl for trimmers.

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    • max@feddit.nl ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Pretty sure they never were an insurance company. They’ve always made (consumed) electronics.

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    • qaz@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      They started out as a lamp manufacturer, not insurance.

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• BrownianMotion@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I can tell you for certain, I measured my plug phiips (foil and ‘one’) and they are both 14VDC. So short answer is that the plug charger would blow up the usb trimmer you have (which is 5VDC).

  The reason I know this and measured them, was because I wasnt sure the two plug chargers were the same, and I didnt want to blow up my philips one.

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  • friend_of_satan@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Also the charger is required to show its voltage and amperage output ratings.

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    • BrownianMotion@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      This is true, but something about being an Electronics Engineer makes you want to check. (I didn’t even trust Philips to get it right, but they did.)

      I didn’t go into detail, but simple Dashed/Solid line doesn’t tell you the whole story. Those simple wall warts are not fancy switch mode, or even old school rectified. I measured 14VDC unloaded, which I can probably guestimate in experience, to be a 9VDC loaded reading.

      The actual reading on wallwarts are generally untrustworthy, unless its a thing from Samsung or apple, where the circuitry are what you would expect (switched etc).

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• vox@sopuli.xyz ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  are the voltages actually the same?

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  • moncharleskey@lemmy.zip ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t see how it could be. One plugs into line voltage and the other 5v usb. The reason they changed the plug size is probably to keep OP from frying his new razor.

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    • hikaru755@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      One plugs into line voltage

      Well, but that’s not what’s coming out of the end that you plug into the razor. The wall plug for it contains a transformer that steps it down to 15V. Would still be a bad idea, but it’s not line voltage.

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  • Sunny@slrpnk.net ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I don’t know how to check that, also can’t find the specs on the old one.

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    • aesopjah@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      FYI, to figure this out you would look at the part that plugs into the wall. there’s a bunch of writing on it. at one point it will say something like " input: 120-240 VAC, output: 15 VDC 0.5 A". that’s true for pretty much all transformer bricks. like if you want to see how much a USB brick will supply it will say on there “5V 2A” or whatever.

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• MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Make sure the voltage and power requirements are the same. Maybe the old one cannot deliver enough juice for the new one.

  That’s one reason a lot of device designers go for USB C proper: it supports multiple voltages and multiple power levels, and in a way where the devices shouldn’t be able to pull too much power from a smaller charger. (assuming they implemented the spec and didn’t just use the plug, anyways) In theory, one smart charger could charge anything that sticks to spec up to 240W.

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  • wjrii@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yup. Lots of conflicting guidance here, but OP needs to check the actual power requirements for each. If they’re the same, then okay, Philips were kinda being dirtbags with the plug. If not, whether different DC voltages or one feeding AC into the shaver body itself, then the bigger sin is not changing the plug MORE to make it more obvious they’re not the same.

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    • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Remember the good ol’ days where it was barrel jacks or raw terminals regardless of what the device actually worked with?

      ahhh, those were the days … of easily breaking things.

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    • Smokeless7048@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      looks like the old charger was 15V, while, if the new one is USB-A its 5V

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• Gonkulator@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

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  • mp3@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Bad idea in this scenario.

    The previous model of shaver in this case took straight AC power with the transformer inside the unit, while the new shaver take 5V from a USB charger as the transformer. You’ll blow up the unit if you do this.

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  • 4am@lemm.ee ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My guy this is why they changed the plug, so people wouldn’t plug the wrong cord into their shaver. They both come with one; did you think they were just like “fuck people who want a spare”?

    Man Apple really got into all your heads with their lightning cable shit didn’t they

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  • guy_threepwood@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    A few companies make reusable Brita cartridges which are designed to be taken apart. But I’m glad you found a way 😁

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• Boozilla@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Philips was a great company decades ago. They’ve really gone to shit. Especially their CPAP fiasco (Respironics recall).

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  • ThePantser@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Philips sold most of their IP and companies use their name. Hue is not made by them either anymore. The CPAPs are made by another company that is owned by Philips. It’s all just a name now.

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    • Boozilla@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Good ol’ late stage crapitalism!

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• Dumbkid@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  If they are the same voltage just take a razor and shave some of the material away, I had to do this to get a c7 connector to fit into my xbox one, the rubber was just molded too far to fit

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  • SkippingRelax@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Shave

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    • aleonem@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      All that shaving just to shave.

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• sunbeam60@lemmy.one ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  They all do this. Every time.

  I’ll await the EU enforcing USB-C here too.

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  • the_seven_sins@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Having USB-C PD on a Shaver would be nice, but also costly as it would require the Shaver to ‘ask’ the power supply for power, which is costly.

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  • uis@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    EU enforces standard chargers, not type c specifically. It can be micro, mini or even type b

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    • MSugarhill@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Seems to be USB-C explicitly. But might change in the future. …europa.eu/…/usb-type-c-to-become-eu-s-common-cha…

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• Zess@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  So infuriating that they would send you a charger that works with the device 😤😤 how fucking dare they

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• GrayBackgroundMusic@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The battery died on my old shaver. Because I can’t leave well enough alone, I decided to see if I could replace it. Spent so much time tracking down the battery model number and looking for a replacement only to find out it’s a standard triple a. It’s identity was obfuscated by the stupid labeling. Soldered it in and bam, razor still works for several years.

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  • rivr@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    ive got philips body groomer which in time become somehow a curiosity: once its fully charged it runs until battery gets dry as it should but if i by any chance press the button i need to the whole cycle charge

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• K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Everyone of my Phillips trimmers use a different shaped port

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• usualsuspect191@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  The charging requirements have likely changed so the plug was redesigned sup you don’t fry your new shaver using the old plug/adapter.

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• popemichael@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Coincidentally, I just got a knock-off Soda Stream from Phillips. It’s over $150 cheaper and works 2x-3x times better. I wanted to build something similar for a homemade soda bar concept, and discovered how truly cheap it can be to make soda and carbonated water at home. I was shocked at what a simple concept it is, and how much of a profit these sodas water companies make. Phillips even charging $50 for their system is a total rip-off.

  Truthfully, I think the increase in quality in the Phillips machine is due to fewer parts is an “exception that proves the rule” as these in-bottle carbonators seem to work better with fewer parts. It’s just a pressure hose connected to a co2 tank. Literally, all of $6 if you were to build one yourself from parts on Amazon (or $3 if you got he Alibaba route)

  I truly believe that the fewer parts the better in any DIY or commercial product due to the less chance of a failure in a part if there are fewer parts. This works fantastically for the “lower quality” producing companies, like Phillips.

  My inventive and engineering entrepreneur friends and I call this “fewer parts the better” concept, a “Murphy’s law compensator” as the fewer parts there are, the fewer parts that can statistically “go wrong”

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• Saltarello@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  My Philips shaver does not work whilst charging. What’s that all about?

  Luckily the battery is good but it gives very little warning when its about to run out. I dont grow facial hair very quickly or very thickly but several times I’ve had to leave the house partially shaved. Doesn’t make any sense. That’s the whole point of electricity, to use stuff whilst plugged in!

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• MoonRaven@feddit.nl ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  I lost the cable of a baby bliss trimmer. They have proprietary plugs that are about the same price as the trimmer. Moved away from them when ASAP…

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• GiddyGap@lemm.ee ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Also very environmentally unfriendly. Shame on you, Philips!

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• wander1236@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  From what I can tell, the non-USB OneBlades charge at 4.3V, not 5V.

  It’s probably a small enough difference that a 5V charger would work fine for the 4.3V shaver, but it wouldn’t work the other way around.

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• CallMeM@lemmy.ml ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  That is so annoying.

  Philipps is a shady company and I support anyone who decides not to buy from them ever again.

  With the Hue bulbs the force you to share data, so I had to manually install an old version of the app just to not share data - no other way to opt out. So I can’t say I’m surprised they pulled something like this.

  tl;dr: Keep away from Philipps!

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• DirigibleProtein@aussie.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Remington also have different plugs for different models.

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• gigachad@feddit.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Please update the post with the facts from the data sheet OP

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• SzethFriendOfNimi@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

  Any change in the dc input/amps? Because that’s the only reason I would give any credence to it.

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