Submitted 1 day ago by mecen@lemmy.ca to games@lemmy.world
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Apparently there will be some boycott of PS in regards of decision to discontinue disks.
From 23 to 30 of August.
I could not possibly use my PS5 less. As much as I’d like to actively participate in this boycott, I am only able to passively participate by continuing to neglect my PS5 in favor of PC gaming on linux, which is better in every possible way anyways.
Yeahhh. We’ve got a PS4, and no PS5, initially because of the whole “you cannot back up your saves, at all, except with a cloud subscription” thing but now with this shit… yeah, nah. We’re good with Linux PC (and our PS4 for a very few things).
– Frost
You bought a PS5? I still have a PS4 that hasn’t been turned on in 4 years.
Linux gaming is the way.
I mostly use mine as a glorified blu ray player and use the ps4 blu ray remote with it. Pretty nifty for that purpose can’t lie.
Oh yeah, I do use mine for bluray playback pretty much exclusively
Same I bought a PS5 during the pandemic, played TLOU 1 & 2, God of War, and haven’t touched it since. I have a Bazzite gaming machine I subsequently built so the PS5 has been sitting in the box for years at this point.
Not buying a product because you don’t like the product is not a boycott.
Damn, I thought I was leading the chunky peanut butter revolution over here.
This are the same cattle who pre-ordered GTA 6 so it doesn’t even matter.
These sort of things, if unorganized, just show corps and govs that nothing will change because there is no real organization beyond a call to action.
The real thing to do here is to organize something. Get people to sign up, just a simple list of everyone that agrees to it. Set up some sort of text or mailing list as a reminder, and actually do the thing. This is probably one of the most likely “protests” to succeed with proper organization and initiative because all those that participate have to do is not log on for a day.
It’s gotta be a place to start.
I am sure this will go as well as every other “gamer boycott” in the past.
Why stop at just a taste?
Because the players have grown addicted to Sony’s boot flavored meds, the withdrawals become too great after 1 week.
I am in! (I own only the PS1 btw)
I don’t even own a PlayStation and haven’t since the PS3 but I truly hope Sony takes a financial hit on this one. Others such as Microsoft and Nintendo are paying very close attention to the results. If they manage to get away with this you know other consoles won’t be far behind them. Hell, they already tried around 2020 causing the start of the whole GameStop short fiasco. Now they’re trying to do it once again.
That being said, Sony doesn’t give a flying fuck about a blackout. You want to really hit them where it hurts? Dump them. It’s the only way.
Microsoft were going full digital next gen no matter what Sony did, as the next Xbox is a pc.
Nintendo will keep doing physical games for the foreseeable future as it’s much more necessary with handhelds.
If 10% of the physical game buyers convert to digital and stick around, it will likely be a net profit for Sony. I’d wager that number will be closer to 75% of “physical only” players just move to digital too.
Why would play sessions even matter? It would save them bandwidth. All they care about is money. If anything you should download and delete your entire library a thousand times.
Sony wouldn’t care about that either, bandwidth is cheap and all you’re doing is using up write cycles on your SSD.
Cool, but maybe every month instead of a one time thing
Then when Sony doesn’t change y’all go back to playing and buying… Fuck I can’t deal with this performative bullshit anymore.
I’m not sure why it’s a timed boycott.
I already decided a couple years ago that this is my last console from sony. (likely my last console period tbf) everything else they have done since then has been no concern. I haven’t turned my ps5 on more than a handful of times in the last year. No reason to.
Their games are too expensive, are shit quality, and their entire mentality on giving “free” games to subscription members backfired horribly since I never bought any actual games using it, so therefore when I finally cancelled my sub I have nothing to bring me to turn the console on as well.
The Xbox has the same flaw atm, like yea gamepass is an amazing feature but, when you finally cancel that sub… there’s nothing left for you, you won’t see the advertising or the new games they offer, as you don’t have a reason to turn the system on. That was the biggest thing that kept me on my ps3 and 4, when I was playing my actual games, I could slide onto the PS+ area and see what was new, and if something caught my eye I either bought it or downloaded it. With the PS5 and Xbox X nothing has brought me back onto the systems… so nothing is making me feel like I should continue to spend money on the platforms.
I got it for the controller haptics and trigger feedback, ended up just making me worse at every game that has it, idk if I actually like the gimmick
controller haptics and trigger feedback
You mean the shit I loathe, disable, and avoid games that require it.
Sniping is sooooooooo much more immersive when the trigger vibrates as you squeeze it. /s
I’ve been participating for several years already.
I don’t remember the last time I turned on my PS5.
My PS5 controllers are full time connected to my steam deck.
This is easy for me because my playstation is gathering dust in my living room while i play my huge steam backlog.
Don’t use consoles and never preorder. Only buy the good stuff when you actually know it’s good on the shop with the best return policy (which is GOG if the game is available there).
I play on Gentoo btw.
Only buy the good stuff when you actually know it’s good
That’s a great way to never get new games. Obviously you have to take some risks, which is why return policies are great
some MildLad out there made a Calling Card persona-5 style, as if from the phantom thieves of hearts themselves, directed at Hideaki Nishino, the president and CEO of Sony Interactive Entertainment himself.
i’m not saying something is gonna happen
but i am saying that if something did ever end up happening…
it would be really funny
;3
Won’t matter and Sony won’t even notice you did anything, but sure, if it puts another trophy next to the others in your head, go for it.
I gotta ask, why do people even care about this so much?
The games in most cases haven’t been fully contained on the discs since the PS2 era. With patches, updates, and required downloads to play, the disc itself is functionally useless in most cases.
Why is this such a big deal? Why is this the hill to die on and boycott over who knows how many other horrible things and business practices around?
For me it’s Sony gaining full control about game prices and reselling. You can get disc versions of games for a lot less than in the playstation store.
Full control over your game catalog.
Banned account = all your games gone.
Banned account, but games on disk = all your games are available.
I think there are two types of people who care. Collectors and resellers / buyers of used copies.
I play a mix of games, some digital and some physical. I don’t buy used copies (I, perhaps naively, believe that I support the developers by purchasing new copies — and by “support” I mean they can make more games that I like), but I sell the games that I have finished (well, most of them). I think I buy/play more digital games than physical, part of the reason is PS Plus / PS Portal.
However, I don’t like that Sony wants to abandon physical media. I believe customers should have a choice. Also, the digital versions are almost always more expensive than physical, and for years they’ve been misleading us into believing that digital distribution is supposed to be cheaper. Yeah, right.
If Sony controls all means of distribution, by cutting off physical media, they will further increase prices for games and subscriptions, because why not. Consumers will have no choice if they still want to play on their PlayStation.
The overwhelming majority of playstation games are contained in disc and playable without internet.
We can argue about what “fully on disc” means in regards to day one patches and whatnot, but you don’t need those to play the game. Buy a disc, place it into an offline ps5, install it, and play.
And you’ll be able to do that in twenty or thirty years when they bring their digital purchase servers offline, too.
Because you don’t own the game anymore. You’re renting it from them, as long as they decide to keep it online, and they won’t forever.
It’s like “buying” a movie on Amazon. It’s not the same as buying a bluray or DVD. It means renting it from them as long as they keep serving it. They eventually will turn that service off and you won’t “own” it.
Right, but because the full content isn’t on the disc, that happens anyway even with physical media, and all you’re left with is a fancy coaster for your drinks. That’s why I don’t really get the fervor over discs.
Like, IIRC the God of War reboot was an example. The disc only held a key and about 950 MB of data. The rest (like 40 or 60 GB) had to be downloaded from their servers.
Even having a physical disc you don’t” own “ the game in the way you describe. As I said, that’s pretty much been the case for many/most games since the 7th gen consoles (XB360 and PS3).
I should disclaim that I abandoned consoles in Gen 7, partly because of this stuff (and bandwidth throttling, walled ecosystem, etc.), and that was nearly 15 years ago. I just don’t get why the discs being removed is cause for anger when the disc has been materially useless for two console gens now.
My biggest problem with this, is lack of ability to resell. I would be saying the same if they made it so the disks are license only locked to the first account that plays them.
The issue for me isn’t the content of the disk, it’s what the disk allows.
That being said, if I had to choose between the disks acting like a key, or the disks containing the game I would obviously choose the disk playing the game.
But if I had to choose between a disk acting as a key, or no disk at all. I’m going to choose the disk acting like a key.
The games in most cases haven’t been fully contained on the discs since the PS2 era.
They should be. That’s why people care.
With discs Sony can’t revoke your game like with digital. Doesn’t matter if they banned your account. Disc still works for you and whoever comes to gain possession of it.
Plenty of games are fully playable in some form of physical media. In fact, the vast majority of games I have purchased in the last year have been fully playable physical copies. Just because there have been several examples of shitty business practices, doesn’t make it a good idea to just give up. There are several massive reasons to die on this hill as others have already outlined in their comments here. Owning the shit we buy, keeping game prices down by giving consumers choice, preventing Sony from giving themselves a monopoly, game preservation. All of these things will be severely damaged or destroyed if we do not die on this hill. If you want to pay less for your games, own what you buy, and preserve games, it is imperative that we stop Sony.
I feel like we have a misunderstanding. I don’t own a PS5, and sold all my consoles as of the PS3/Xb360 generation, sometime between 2010 and 2012. For ownership I can buy at GOG, or buy Steam games that don’t have DRM.
I’m not sure how this leads to Sony having a monopoly? Or how it changes it? If a game is only available on PS5, it’s only playable on PS5, with it without a disc. If it’s multi-platform the issue is moot either way.
I’m a big advocate of ownership. I strip DRM from my books, I have a NAS full of FLAC music I purchased rather than stream. I boycotted EA and bought nothing from them for nearly a decade when Madden became console exclusive, on principle.
It’s just… if you care about ownership, why play on a proprietary, locked down platform in the first place? And exactly how does a one week boycott resolve the issue? It just seems half-assed? Why not boycott altogether and/or change platforms?
And why just Sony? Nintendo is releasing carts that are literally just game codes for download. How is that different? The cart is essentially useless and conveys no ownership in that case either.
My last console was the PS2 and i still have it and the games i played on it and i have been on PC since then and none of the exclusives on any console have made me consider buying any of them.
If GTA 6 releases tomorrow as digital only they’d stumble over themselves to grab their wallets.
It’s all performative.
It’ll be small indeed based on the number of people who buy physical games.
I’m on year ~15 of this.
With Nintendo doing similarly (with their cartridges simply triggering game downloads), I may never buy a console again.
As much as Sony is a dick ass company, these boycots are cringy as fuck and never achieve anything.
This one did earlier this month.
I feel like I should add while yes they removed the microtransaction, they did the absolute bare minimum they had to do.
I also feel like this type of boycott doesn’t match that type, the one you linked was a permanent boycott until the changes were done, not a week long one. People were straight refusing to buy it period till it was fixed, and people who did buy it was review bombing it.
For clarification: The issue was they implemented a massive XP grind that was reliant on you spending money to level your coach. At the same time they had removed the ability to make it easier to obtain the XP. They removed the microtransactions as a whole for that mode, and readded the previous games XP slider but removed the fastest mode and kept only a 1.5x mode, and didn’t rebalance anything else in the game, so you still have a game that was intentionally geared torward’s someone spending money to level, just without the ability to actually spend money to level. I’m sure some exec intentionally did that expecting people would complain and they could use it as a potential avenue to readd the transactions again as a “see we listen to our community”
I personally do think a boycott on sony will eventually do something, but a week long one like this, isn’t going to do anything meaningful.
They’d work if people would commit to a full, indefinite boycott until demands are met. This “one week boycott” shit is controlled opposition pushing a narrative that a one week boycott is an appropriate response to something like this.
I usually go months without using mine already. What would this even really do? They don’t make money on the system simply being turned on, and they might have reduced costs in their server bill if everyone stops using them for a week or two.
Lol the absolute fucking panic at the c suite when a discord server figures out the exact number of users it takes to do that and starts coordinating it every day.
I know it will never happen but it would be hilarious.
Lol, we all know just how effective gamer boycotts have been in the past.
This is how permanently online hardcore gamers find out that they are the minority.
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thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Easy I don’t own anything Sony besides a PS2