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What happens when you just refuse to pay and go ... ?

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  • DragonAce@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This dumb motherfucker thinks he can somehow do a protection racket on the entire rest of the world. Fucking moron.

    Iran already closed the strait when the ceasefire was broken.

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  • edgemaster72@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Didn’t we already do this in March with the whole “nuh uh I’m actually closing the strait to you” bs? I hate summer reruns.

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  • apftwb@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “We will pay you to cross the strait.”

    …

    “You will pay us to cross the strait.”

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  • litchralee@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m going to try answering the titular question, despite the factual situation being wholly divorced from sanity, through no fault of the OP directly. Unless some new convention on the laws of the sea has been enacted vis-a-vis international waters – which the Strait is – a nation which provides some sort of service over that area is not entitled to remuneration. It would be gratis.

    That said, in the very different context of aeronautical navigation, there is indeed precedence for providing a service to an international zone, but this is agreed to by multilateral treaty, not imposed. For this, we look to the massive area of the north Pacific Ocean, for which there is essentially no radar service available. And yet, to enable civil aircraft to fly without colliding with each other at speed, somebody needs to coordinate the flight routes and provide weather information. Through ICAO, the USA is the contracting state that provides such service over the Oakland Oceanic Flight Information Region. This means most of the Pacific Ocean is not USA airspace, but does follow the American procedures for organizing traffic (which follows from ICAO rules but possibly with small tweaks). This is the distinction between “USA airspace” and “USA controlled airspace”. ICAO chose the USA because no other country can realistically perform this service, nor has anyone else put in an offer to ICAO.

    To pay for this service, the USA FAA charges overflight fees. Since the FAA is a civil agency, it does not have authority to order a shoot-down of an airline’s jets due to non-payment. Rather, the FAA can collect the owed fees through the American courts, just like anyone else would through a lawsuit for money damages. The FAA could also take adverse regulatory action, such as providing less or no service, subject to minimum obligations required by ICAO. The agency can also choose to cancel or disapprove of flights headed to/from USA airspace. If an airliner flies into the territorial airspace of any country without permission, then the air force would respond, not the civil air regulator.

    So what does this have to do with international waters and maritime navigation? The air example shows how an equivalent fee for water passage would have to be implemented, when it concerns international waters. Everyone has to agree to the terms, the fee has to be economically reasonable, the contracting state must have some relationship to the area in question, and an international organization must actually contract with a qualified state to provide said service.

    The present action in the Strait meets none of this criteria.

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    • dhork@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      That is a very thorough analysis, which relies on international law, legal precedent, and common sense.

      But, have you considered that Donald Trump doesn’t give a fuck, and does what he wants? If he wants to charge a 20% fee for going through a body of water he doesn’t own, who’s gonna stop him?

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      • DragonAce@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You actually think trump or hegseth have any idea how to even coordinate a blockade across the entire strait? They already fired most of the people in the military who actually knew what they were doing.

        Trump is just spouting bullshit because he doesn’t want to look like a loser because Iran is playing him like a fool with their control of the strait. Trump won’t do shit, remember TACO.

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    • muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The united states of america holds the monopoly on violence they can thus do whatever the fuck they want and there is nothing anyone can do about it.

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      • cabillaud@lemmy.world ⁨50⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        And yet they are ridiculed by the Iranians.

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  • joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    stay in school, kids or else you might be president some day

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    • horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      stay in school, kids or else you might be president some day

      Also, don’t do drugs.

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      • joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Do more drugs.

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      • forty2@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Don’t do drugs that are harder than

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    • SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Whoa, keep it down. You can’t be threatening kids like that!

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  • Lydon_Feen@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Absolute insanity.

    This is extortion, therefore an act of war against all nations dependent on shipments from and to Hormuz.

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  • Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    known as THE GUARDIAN

    known as the STRAIT ROBBERS.

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    • VeryVito@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Pirates of the Hormuz

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  • beebarfbadger@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    In today’s episode of “Cool Story, Bro”:

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  • ape_arms@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I am very skeptical that he writes any of these tweets anymore.

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    • FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I wouldn’t be surprised if his aides write these tweets based on rants he goes on to them and anyone who will listen. Regardless of who’s doing the actual typing though, I 100% believe that he has said/thinks all the dumb shit he tweets

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      • rounding_error@lemmy.today ⁨37⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Natalie Harp is one of those aides.

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    • ozymandias117@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      He regularly denies saying things he’s on camera saying, but doesn’t deny these types of things… He seems to be proud of them

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    • Danquebec@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Who’s crazy enough to write such delusional things in such an insane style?

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      • ape_arms@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Image

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      • XeroxCool@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Dozens of different satire writers do this daily

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  • scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    He’s gonna declare peace in a couple of days… after he sells his oil stocks.

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  • wuffah@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    When Iran started extorting ships for passage through the strait, his first thought was to do the same thing.

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  • thefluffiest@feddit.nl ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Okay so now every ship will be taxed first by Iran and then by the US’ians. All to lower oil prices.

    Stable genius indeed.

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  • unmagical@lemmy.ml ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    We are charging 1/5th the cost of everything through the straight, eh? That just seems like yet another illegal tariff just to appease the mal formed ego of our worst president.

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  • Miller@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    What about fines for creating and then mismanaging the problem. And then creating the problem again, and mismanaging it again. And again, or the art of the deal or how I don’t pay any attention to reality or what I did yesterday.

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  • BradleyUffner@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And that’s how the price of oil and gas went up 30%

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  • Treczoks@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “Free with extortion”

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  • Shalien@piefed.projetretro.io ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Can’t wait to have us marine open fire at sea on civilian vessels

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    • eestileib@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They’ve been doing that in the Caribbean for well over a year.

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      • marcos@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        They have been doing that at the Arabian Sea for months too. They already bragged about killing some Indian civilians on twitter…

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  • cecilkorik@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Dementia is a terrible affliction.

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  • blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Don’t worry everyone, it’s Tuesday tomorrow

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  • guy@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So the US is essentially demanding protection money?

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  • Maeve@kbin.earth ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You'll likely be declared as drug traffickers blockade runners and bombed.

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  • Chozo@fedia.io ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    this very volatile section of the World.

    Ah yeah, surely an extortion racket will fix that.

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    • joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This bear I keep poking with a stick sure is a grumpy asshole, better let me take care of it

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  • notsosure@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    History ‘s clown.

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  • radix@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Anyone, regardless of party or other policy positions, who commits to sending this asshat to The Hague in January 2029 will get my vote.

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  • devfuuu@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    God dammit, someone just invade that stupid country and save us all from this. China we are all looking at you.

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  • SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    From this point forward known as the strait boys.

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  • Photonic@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well he is already named Don, so it’s only inevitable he started acting like a mobster

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