stay in school, kids or else you might be president some day
What happens when you just refuse to pay and go ... ?
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joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
horn_e4_beaver@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
stay in school, kids or else you might be president some day
Also, don’t do drugs.
joeljoelle@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Do more drugs.
forty2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t do drugs that are harder than
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Whoa, keep it down. You can’t be threatening kids like that!
litchralee@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’m going to try answering the titular question, despite the factual situation being wholly divorced from sanity, through no fault of the OP directly. Unless some new convention on the laws of the sea has been enacted vis-a-vis international waters – which the Strait is – a nation which provides some sort of service over that area is not entitled to remuneration. It would be gratis.
That said, in the very different context of aeronautical navigation, there is indeed precedence for providing a service to an international zone, but this is agreed to by multilateral treaty, not imposed. For this, we look to the massive area of the north Pacific Ocean, for which there is essentially no radar service available. And yet, to enable civil aircraft to fly without colliding with each other at speed, somebody needs to coordinate the flight routes and provide weather information. Through ICAO, the USA is the contracting state that provides such service over the Oakland Oceanic Flight Information Region. This means most of the Pacific Ocean is not USA airspace, but does follow the American procedures for organizing traffic (which follows from ICAO rules but possibly with small tweaks). This is the distinction between “USA airspace” and “USA controlled airspace”. ICAO chose the USA because no other country can realistically perform this service, nor has anyone else put in an offer to ICAO.
To pay for this service, the USA FAA charges overflight fees. Since the FAA is a civil agency, it does not have authority to order a shoot-down of an airline’s jets due to non-payment. Rather, the FAA can collect the owed fees through the American courts, just like anyone else would through a lawsuit for money damages. The FAA could also take adverse regulatory action, such as providing less or no service, subject to minimum obligations required by ICAO. The agency can also choose to cancel or disapprove of flights headed to/from USA airspace. If an airliner flies into the territorial airspace of any country without permission, then the air force would respond, not the civil air regulator.
So what does this have to do with international waters and maritime navigation? The air example shows how an equivalent fee for water passage would have to be implemented, when it concerns international waters. Everyone has to agree to the terms, the fee has to be economically reasonable, the contracting state must have some relationship to the area in question, and an international organization must actually contract with a qualified state to provide said service.
The present action in the Strait meets none of this criteria.
dhork@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That is a very thorough analysis, which relies on international law, legal precedent, and common sense.
But, have you considered that Donald Trump doesn’t give a fuck, and does what he wants? If he wants to charge a 20% fee for going through a body of water he doesn’t own, who’s gonna stop him?
DragonAce@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You actually think trump or hegseth have any idea how to even coordinate a blockade across the entire strait? They already fired most of the people in the military who actually knew what they were doing.
Trump is just spouting bullshit because he doesn’t want to look like a loser because Iran is playing him like a fool with their control of the strait. Trump won’t do shit, remember TACO.
muntedcrocodile@hilariouschaos.com 2 weeks ago
The united states of america holds the monopoly on violence they can thus do whatever the fuck they want and there is nothing anyone can do about it.
cabillaud@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And yet they are ridiculed by the Iranians.
anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There seems there is actually plenty everyone can do about it.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
edgemaster72@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Didn’t we already do this in March with the whole “nuh uh I’m actually closing the strait to you” bs? I hate summer reruns.
anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
__Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yo dawg, I heard you like blockades, so we got you a blockade for your blockade!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
its been closed and open almost everytime he needs to sell his stocks, or if the files keep appearing on the news.
Lydon_Feen@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Absolute insanity.
This is extortion, therefore an act of war against all nations dependent on shipments from and to Hormuz.
krisevol@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
What do you think the lloyds of london were doing for decades?
Zwuzelmaus@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
known as THE GUARDIAN
known as the STRAIT ROBBERS.
VeryVito@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pirates of the Hormuz
thefluffiest@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Okay so now every ship will be taxed first by Iran and then by the US’ians. All to lower oil prices.
Stable genius indeed.
beebarfbadger@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
In today’s episode of “Cool Story, Bro”:
Formfiller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just fucking die
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Trump sees the opportunity to make 20% on everything going through the Strait, and it totally shuts down EVERYTHING else in his brain. That’s now his entire BEING! 20%! That’s REAL money! Arab Sheikh kind of money!
He is mentally ill. He literally can’t resist.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Setting aside the many other things wrong with this, 20% the value of the cargo is just stupid. Most of it doesn’t have that much profit margin in the first place. I know it’s a number straight out of his ass, but damn, the stupid…
plyth@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Prices will rise, making US fracking gas profitable.
ape_arms@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I am very skeptical that he writes any of these tweets anymore.
ozymandias117@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He regularly denies saying things he’s on camera saying, but doesn’t deny these types of things… He seems to be proud of them
FearMeAndDecay@literature.cafe 2 weeks ago
I wouldn’t be surprised if his aides write these tweets based on rants he goes on to them and anyone who will listen. Regardless of who’s doing the actual typing though, I 100% believe that he has said/thinks all the dumb shit he tweets
rounding_error@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Natalie Harp is one of those aides.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Who’s crazy enough to write such delusional things in such an insane style?
ape_arms@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
XeroxCool@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Dozens of different satire writers do this daily
wuffah@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When Iran started extorting ships for passage through the strait, his first thought was to do the same thing.
scarabic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s a complete illusion that the US can control this strait. It could destabilize it further if it wishes, but there is no getting a ship through without Iran’s cooperation.
Because Iran has a ton of land along the straight from which they can launch missles, drones, rockets, or even artillery at passing ships. There’s a huge region where they can attack the strait, and the US can’t put hundreds of thousands of troops on that land to hold it all. Therefore Trump cannot declare the strait open, though he can declare the strait closed (this just hurts him most of all).
All his bullshit about floating ships at one end to “gate” the passage, and escorting ships, and shooting down rockets…. It’s complete bluster. Even with the entire US military he cannot guarantee safe passage. And that’s just one of the things he has to do if this war continues. He also has to try to defend our allies in the Gulf and elsewhere.
GardenGeek@europe.pub 2 weeks ago
He doesn’t understand the concept of ‘allies’. I thought this was clear by now.
The US is currently directing the gulf states towards China and Iran as the former has large influence on the latter which claims to attack mainly due to the gulf states being ‘allies’ to the US… which seems to be a worthless titel nowadays.
Miller@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What about fines for creating and then mismanaging the problem. And then creating the problem again, and mismanaging it again. And again, or the art of the deal or how I don’t pay any attention to reality or what I did yesterday.
unmagical@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
We are charging 1/5th the cost of everything through the straight, eh? That just seems like yet another illegal tariff just to appease the mal formed ego of our worst president.
fox2263@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We have put a door in front of their door and theirs is closed but ours is open so theirs is open because we closed it
Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Even if this were actually going to happen, what is he doing? Renting out the US Navy for profit?
Sure maybe a few servicemen may die but at least America will get some money!
knife@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
the whole point of the us armed forces is to secure profits
No_Eponym@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I mean, it’s a part of government that hasn’t been privatized. Imagine if the Armed Forces turned a profit and had a market mandate? Works really well for the prison system! /s
axh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
When mobsters visit a local business they also collect payment for protection.
GutterRat42@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Did a 5 year old playing make believe write this?
schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
#Trump Declares US Rubber, Iran Glue
GutterRat42@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Exactly
anarchy79@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I DECLARE… WHOREMUZ!!!
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Chef’s kiss
Well done.
scroll_responsibly@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
He’s gonna declare peace in a couple of days… after he sells his oil stocks.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Not sure this will keep working. Only a matter of time before enough people just copy his scam and the market stops moving to the trump scam geopolitics.
Akasazh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Let’s see what happens when a 'protected’ship is damaged.
It’s international shipping going to risk having to sue Trump for damage received, or will they just not go?
krisevol@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
Do you not know how insurance works?
Akasazh@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m pretty sure no insurer would cover you if you went through the straight of Hormuz based on Donnie’s promises.
And I’m absolutely sure Donnie won’t cover the costs himself.
apftwb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“We will pay you to cross the strait.”
…
“You will pay us to cross the strait.”
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And that’s how the price of oil and gas went up 30%
Allero@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Much to Trump’s pleasure.
Linktank@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
His bitch ass already TACO’d about this.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He was much faster than I expected on that one. Soon, he’s going to change his mind before the end of his post.
Shalien@piefed.projetretro.io 2 weeks ago
Can’t wait to have us marine open fire at sea on civilian vessels
eestileib@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
They’ve been doing that in the Caribbean for well over a year.
marcos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They have been doing that at the Arabian Sea for months too. They already bragged about killing some Indian civilians on twitter…
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 2 weeks ago
What will happen? They will kill you, that’s what will happen.
It’s not speculations, they did it already: theguardian.com/…/indian-outrage-over-us-killing-…
Treczoks@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“Free with extortion”
DragonAce@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This dumb motherfucker thinks he can somehow do a protection racket on the entire rest of the world. Fucking moron.
Iran already closed the strait when the ceasefire was broken.