Christianity is an infohazard
You can't argue with his logic
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Mickey7@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
erayerdin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
lmao
all the abrahamic religions are cognitohazard. maybe, the reason why they’re so engrained is cuz one said “shit, now that i’ve learned it, imma burn, why not spread this to others?”
Notyou@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
The basilisk problem. If you knew about it and didn’t work to bring it about by telling more people about it then you are the enemy.
shneancy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i always found that creepypasta funny exactly because of that. bunch of atheists experiencing religious fears but with some words swapped lol
nightmare786@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
0x0@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
That is hilarious. They gave Christianity the selfish-gene treatment. I’ll be embarrassed if this is a page from the book — I haven’t actually read it. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Selfish_Gene
nightmare786@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
It’s from The Meme Machine by Susan Blackmore
updn@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
That’s exactly what I thought of when I read the post, but don’t recall this page being in The Selfish Gene. Worth a read, though! (Better than this trope)
Gaja0@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Bruh why do lemmy dudes drop philosophical nukes so casually. Incremental adjustments to the trajectory of the mind one article at a time
BitchPeas@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Preach brother
hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This kind of implies that this is the social engineering equivalent of worm-like malware in Cybersecurity.
That’s curious.
stickyprimer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
High replication and changeability to adapt to circumstances. From molecules to lifeforms to cultures. It’s all the same process.
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
or a virus
untorquer@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
Should have kept it in Latin…
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Nah, should have kept the original speeches or whatever in Aramaic and never written them down.
Organized religion is a vestigial organ from more primitive eras that’s weighing humanity down.
stickyprimer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Indeed - as a writer I find holy texts fascinating for their endurance through viral properties. It seems important for them to speak at once with ultimate authority but also a lot of vagueness to keep the messages versatile for as many situations as possible and as unfalsifiable as possible.
They are the equivalent of a radioactive meteor that lands on an unwitting planet and spreads a plague.
hansolo@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
So, religious texts are basically just some kind of “mind virus”? But just not the kind one should be “woke” about?
nightmare786@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
no it’s a meme. check out memetics
voodooattack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What’s the name of that book?
nightmare786@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
It’s from The Meme Machine by Susan Blackmore
cheat700000007@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Original chain email
Cityshrimp@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Da fuq? When I went to Christian school, they told me everyone who died without knowing Jesus go to hell. And I asked “how about babies?”, and they firmly told me “yes, they go to hell”
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I made a creature and then killed it before it had an opportunity to comprehend me and I’m offended by that so I’m going to torture it for eternity.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
- the good guy, supposedly
Notyou@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Makes me think that this God fellow has a lot of trauma from its upbringing that needs to be worked through.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They loving and compassionate God, who sends you to hell if you haven’t even heard of them.
Furbag@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
He loves you unconditionally… with some conditions.
gnarwhal@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
FukOui@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Some Christians believe they go to limbo or predatory as they were not baptized
VeryBlandUsername@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Both forms of Christianity have very differing views.
Catholics have their own brand of afterlife beliefs like limbo and purgatory, none of it is in the bible, but rather external “supporting” scriptures.
Protestants mostly believe one of two things, you’re either whisked away, judged and sent to heaven or hell, or you’re in a sort of “sleep” until judgement day THEN sent off to heaven/hell.
Heaven being the temporary spot until earth is remade and believers come back to live in New Jerusalem in earthly bodies once more, forever.
daellat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Good and merciful god that one.
Murse@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Back when I was a wee little shit, and the parents were ritualistically sacrificing my Sunday mornings to Sky Daddy & Super-J by dragging my ass to church: I recall our pastor actually addressing this. Idr the verse he referenced, but it boiled down your ‘soul’ or some shit being driven to god even if you haven’t been exposed to him here on Earth. TLDR, even if you don’t know, you still go to hell for being a dirty heathen, so good 'ol christians have a duty to go shove their shit down as many throats as possible to ‘save’ them.
Whether or not that’s true to their lore, I have no idea - there are so many contradictions in that shit that you can basically make it say whatever you want.
bus_factor@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
In my experience, each flavor of Christianity handles this a little differently. IIRC the reason the Mormons are extra aggressive about hounding your door is because they consider it an obligation to spread the good word, while there are other groups who just stay out of your business entirely.
WRT the quote, there’s very little talk of heaven and hell at all in Lutheran churches in my experience, just as an example. Although I have only been exposed to the Norwegian state church, which is pretty laid back about most things, so your mileage may vary with other Lutheran churches.
tempest@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I thought Mormons were like a pyramid scheme. Only the top 300k Mormons get be be God of their own planet so they have to get more in so they can be at the top.
wjrii@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Also, at least officially, the reason they baptize teenagers with the names of your dead ancestors is because they believe baptism of a physical body is necessary for salvation, AND that they will continue to pester said dead ancestors to convert to Mormonism in heaven’s waiting room.
If some random little shit who lied to his local bishop about cranking it three times a week will get dunked when they read the right name, apparently that helps with the backlog or something, and White Jesus really wants them to get right on that, I assume because his dad is up his ass about TPS Reports or something.
NOPper@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Grew up Lutheran. Its mostly singing songs written by old people about how awesome God is. Meh.
stickyprimer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
good 'ol christians have a duty to go shove their shit down as many throats as possible to ‘save’ them.
Yyyyyyep.
My favorite was when I (white guy) lived in a neighborhood with a lot of majority-black churches, ladies would walk around on Sunday afternoons knocking on doors to “spread the news.” However, the second they saw me their faces would fall and they’d make a quick exit after a minimal pitch. It was obvious they belonged to a were trying to recruit from the black community and my soul was not a priority to them. I’m sure it happens the other way around as well. Nothing against black people here.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
The lore is whatever you can twist into it. You already said it lol
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
“eskimo” is a curse word for Inuit, meaning raw meat eater. Please stop use that word, it’s disrespectful.
Murse@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
Spent some time in Alaska - the natives I had a chance to speak to referred to themselves as Eskimos. And it wasn’t one of those ‘we can say it, but it’s derogatory coming from anyone else’ words… it’s just a word they use for their people. They were kind of amused at the whole controversy.
It’s anecdote, and the number of them actually offended by the term Eskimo is probably higher than zero, but by and large this is white people being offended on their behalf at something that is a non-issue.
So, call em Eskimos. Or Inuit. Or Natives. From the source, their cool with it.
cheat700000007@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Latinx is still the dumbest thing I’ve heard
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Ah yes. The “I know a black guy who isn’t offended by a white guy saying the N word so it’s ok to say it” argument.
They are not all the same. I know for a fact that there are indeed large groups who are offended by it. Just because you know a group / groups who are not offended, doesn’t mean all the others spread out all over half a continent feel the same way about it.
parricc@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’s a different situation in different areas. In parts of Alaska, it’s not a slur, but in parts of Canada, it is a slur. Ultimately you need to know which situation you’re dealing with for the area you’re in.
nialv7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
but also eskimo and inuit refer to different things…
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Any Inuit here to confirm that?
saigot@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Here is an article giving some voice to both opinions after a team name change:
cbc.ca/…/inuit-reaction-edmonton-cfl-team-name-ch…
To me the “its a slur” camp seem to make a much stronger case.
cbc.ca/…/tanya-tagaq-pushes-us-band-eskimeaux-to-…
‘If you want to use the word Eskimo you had better be an Eskimo or I’ll eat you for lunch,’ tweeted Tagaq
In my personal experience its definitely a slur and a very strong one here in canada, and if i heard a canadian say it i would absolutely assume they were a racist.
RattlerSix@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve made this case to Christians before. If people who don’t hear about it get a free pass into heaven, after Jesus died, if they just didn’t say anything, everyone on earth would go to heaven.
Any time they go somewhere new and preach, they have to get 100% to believe just to keep the number of people going to heaven the same. Anything less and hell has gained some new souls.
Christianity is a recruitment tool for hell.
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
My brother’s-keeper told me demons keep eating his flock’s souls so I asked how many souls he has and he said he just goes to the missionary and gets a new soul afterwards so I said it sounds like he’s just feeding shelter souls to demons and then his mom’s statue started crying.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Eskimo is a racial slur. I realize things were different in your youth but you need to try and be at least up to date from the last thirty years, grandpa mickey.
davetortoise@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
What is the right term?
draco_aeneus@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Either Inuit or Yupik (or perhaps even Aleut), depending on which people you are intending to refer to.
bridgeburner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Inuit, I guess
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Inuit for what people usually mean but that’s also a specific tribe so it could be wrong depending on how broadly you’re applying the label
How_do_I_computah@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Well, this situation is mentioned in Romans 2. Romans 2:12-16 ESV [12] For all who have sinned without the law will also perish without the law, and all who have sinned under the law will be judged by the law. [13] For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but the doers of the law who will be justified. [14] For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. [15] They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them [16] on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
So, the answer is still “I don’t know if you are. I don’t know if you’re doing the right thing by your law.”
As for “Why tell me?” The theory is still that it is better for your life to know and that God’s law is better and more generous than man’s law.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As for “Why tell me?” The theory is still that it is better for your life to know and that God’s law is better and more generous than man’s law.
The Golden Rule has popped up independently in cultures across the globe (including the Abrahamic religions), and I’d argue it’s a much better foundation for morality than anything that assumes the supernatural exists.
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
great answer, thanks for that. i wonder if apostates/non-believers are included in “Gentiles who do not have the law”
or is it only the people that never heard the gospel?
How_do_I_computah@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I can’t say for sure. Nobody really can but there is a divide in some protestant faiths that someone “once saved is always saved.”. Meaning that if you ever believed then you’re good to go. I think this idea is rooted in John 10:28-29 ESV [28] I give them eternal life, and they will never perish, and no one will snatch them out of my hand. [29] My Father, who has given them to me,is greater than all, and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand.
A lot of Christian faiths don’t agree with that logic though.
I think largely though people believe Romans 2 only applies to people who have never heard.
apftwb@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Johanno@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Well the church fixed that now.
Children who die before they have a chance to be baptised are in heaven too.
But everyone else is going to hell if they do not praise god.
purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
That just sounds noone should get baptised either.
Objection@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
SalamiDommie@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
In other things that never happened.
toxicbubble@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
except christian missionaries have been literally doing this for thousands of years
stickyprimer@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
no theme may be played that hath not its uttermost source in me, nor can any alter the music in my despite. For he that attempteth this shall prove but mine instrument in the devising of things more wonderful, which he himself hath not imagined
I’m not a fan of this no-freewill interpretation, but it’s a hell of about clearer than Christian doctrine.
ceenote@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The actual answer is “I don’t know, the Bible doesn’t say.”
The contradictions between doctrine and the Bible make so much more sense when you view it in the historical context of a tribal religion, as it was written, not as some kind of universal truth. The Bible doesn’t say what happens to people who never hear about it because the writers weren’t thinking about that.
Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 3 weeks ago
Mathew 18:18 is circuit breaker for those situations:
whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heavenAKA when in doubt, god defers to the Pope for some reason.
ceenote@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The evolution seemed to be Old Testament = God of Israel, New Testament = God of the Jews and Gentiles, but they still clearly weren’t thinking about people in distant lands like the Chinese or Mesoamericans.