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Idk, are your friends kid of dumb and easy to impress?
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Submitted 3 weeks ago by steam@programming.dev to [deleted]
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a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
RodgeGrabTheCat@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I found your missing “n”.
the_abecedarian@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
people do hate it irl
steam@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
maybe its bec im not in a western country? people here love ai a lot.
the_abecedarian@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
maybe? still, it is worth looking at the negative effects it will have on worker power, the planet, data centers sucking up water and electricity, and destroying skills and critical thinking.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 3 weeks ago
Maybe everyone you know IRL is a doofus.
magnetosphere@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
I think it’s safe to say that AI hate is indeed popular irl, we just don’t have conversations about it.
Personally, I think AI may have potential (hey, I’m a sci-fi fan), but we are going about it in the least honest, ethical, and sustainable way possible. I DO NOT want the current generation of AI “entrepreneurs” to have ANY influence over real AI, if we ever even develop it at all.
I hope that Bezos and the like are remembered like those carnival hucksters who built absurd flying contraptions that didn’t work. When the Wright brothers came along, everyone promptly forgot their names.
Catalyst_A@quokk.au 3 weeks ago
Idk, I hate on Clankers everywhere I go and anytime it comes up.
guy@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
I have trouble finding someone who doesn’t hate AI IRL.
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Because you’re in a bubble.
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I think you’re getting piled on here way too aggressively. This is literally “nostupidquestions”.
I’m assuming you asked because you’re open to explanations, not to argue. If that’s true, here are some reasons to be very skeptical and careful with AI (especially corporate AI; I’m neutral myself on fully local home AI);
- They are privacy nightmares. Everything you say in moments of vulnerability will likely be used to sell you something or against you in the future.
- They are not as good as you think they are, which is devious. They will convince you they are “smart” but they are just statistical models. So they will confidently tell you false things and if you trust them, you will believe false things. They can’t do math, they can’t actually “think.” You are just getting a statistical approximation of grammatically plausible language from the training data.
- They train you to not think for yourself and rely on them. There is some ambiguity whether there may be complex benefits, but it’s clear how they’re being used now is harmful to learning and development, even used by people who think they’re being careful.
- They asymmetrically benefit owners versus workers. Corporate AI is being pushed so hard because owners believe it will further funnel more income to them versus workers, and they benefit from this trade even if it can’t do tasks as well as workers. That means less jobs for the workers and worse experiences for the customers.
- Huge environmental costs for all of this.
- Data centers take up huge amounts of water from communities.
- Data centers increase electrical costs to communities.
- Huge increase in consumer hardware prices from corporate AI buying all the graphics cards, CPUs, hard drives, RAM, etc, leading to pricing out many people from home computing or gaming.
Are there benefits? I think there are. But AI has not been allowed to just grow and to be shown useful over time. It’s been shoved down our throats, which, with the above, motivates a lot of legitimate hate.
dave@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Since yours was the first reply I came to that didn’t just ‘react’, I’d like to challenge 1 point in your list (the rest I pretty much agree with), and that is the first one. For context, I worked in AI (or ML as it was known then) in the 1990s. The models were very much based on ideas from neuroscience (my CS PhD supervisor was a biologist). Saying “they can’t think” requires a precise definition of what “thinking” is, and I’ve not seen one so far.
For sure, the most current LLMs are not what we might call human-level sentient, and have only seen a fraction of what a human baby would be exposed to in terms of training data. But as far as the way they process that data, perhaps they are “thinking” in the same way a brain would think if all it ever ‘saw’ was text. Perhaps they think in the same way an insect or small rodent thinks. And as they grow larger / more sophisticated, the same as a dog or cat? Or a small primate? You can see where that’s going.
Anyway, I enjoyed The Infinity Machine by Sebastian Mallaby. My PhD was based on the early work of Yann LeCun, and putting all those names and the motivations behind them into a full picture was eye-opening.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
most people are too ignorant to understand the problems with AI or that the bill that will be coming due. they just like that the chatbot glazes them. It’s addictive.
they don’t know that AI consumes shitloads of water and other energy, is driving the cost of computing (ram, GPUs, etc.) up, and is too stupid, that if you just keep pressing it will totally tell you that killing yourself is an insightful and brilliant solution to whatever problem you’re trying to solve.
And then there’s the people that are making these things- scumbuckets. all of them are scumbuckets and most are fucking nazis.
And then there’s the concerns about social manipulation and propaganda.
manuremy@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
With my IRL friends? Most hate AI or dislike it, one uses it sanely and one is vibe-coding. I like having conversations with the two, because I am so damn deep in the AI-loathing pit I need to see other perspective too. My family doesn’t use it, nor have any opinions or knowledge about it.
At work? Boss is absolutely gone with the AI, using it to everything and telling us to use it to everything as well. If we don’t, the boss “helps us by asking for us” and then tell us the, clearly unsafe and wrong, answer. But it’s the boss, I am not going to be the one lecturing the boss. With other coworkers, we don’t discuss the topic much, except there seems to be surprising amount of “LETS ÄÄÄSK STÄTKEEPEETEE”-jokes when the boss isn’t around. So I think most of us is at least cautious or annoyed at AI, but try to avoid the confrontation. Which is fair, we have known the boss for years.
Nibodhika@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
One thing that helped shift my perspective was to use it for its intended purpose. I have it enabled on my code editor to use for auto-complete instead of traditional code parser or snippet library, it’s honestly very good at that, it still makes a few mistakes and suggests shitty code, but overall I think it mostly works and it’s easier to hit tab and have the full for loop or small function written and correct the variable access it got wrong when it does.
Another thing that has made it very useful to me was in situations where I need to write code using libraries or languages I’m not used to. Having a copilot or Claude tab opened and asking it how to do certain stuff is a lot faster than reading the documentation to figure out the API or syntax. If something doesn’t work you feed it the error and it usually spots the problem. This has made me a lot more productive with for example Jenkins, since it’s a different language from what I use for everything else, and to properly test it you have to commit the code and let the pipeline run, before LLMs this was a very tedious work of reading docs, stack overflow, extrapolating responses, etc. Now it’s still tedious work, but at least I have my first draft much quicker and can then deal with the hallucinations or obsolete APIs it told me to use.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 3 weeks ago
Because your question is based on a faulty premise
sbeak@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
The internet is full of diverse opinions, and you tend to go towards communities that fit your morals, ideas, etc. On big tech social media platforms, this is done through algorithms that track your activity, while on the Fediverse, content is more curated (so still a sort of bubble, but one that you choose for yourself I guess). Additionally, negative opinions are more likely to gain traction online, whether they are valid or not. People are more likely to share polarising views online rather than those experienced by everyone.
You will also note that in the real world, there is fewer “tech-savvy” people. Most people don’t know about the unethical nature of LLMs and how they are problematic to copyright. The majority of people don’t have a strongly negative opinion on LLMs nor do they usually have a strong positive opinion on it. They see it as something that can make paragraphs using only a few words and “art” with a single prompt. They think it’s neat, but certainly not the saviour to humanity many business execs think it is.
But I would like to highlight that, in real life, there are a lot of people who hate LLMs, text-to-image models, etc. Most artists don’t like that these models are being trained on their creations without their consent or any sort of compensation. Doctors and others in the medical industry don’t like that people are turning to LLMs for health advice (that is usually wrong and/or harmful), particularly when it concerns mental health. Software maintainers hate that “vibe coders” are submitting unreviewed LLM-generated code, taking up the time that could be better spent fixing bugs or developing new features. And I’m sure that there are businesspeople who are worried that the “AI bubble” will pop any moment once investors realise that they are losing money, crashing the economy and bankrupting a lot of people.
It’s not that everybody online hates LLMs and, in the real world, people feel the opposite. That wouldn’t really make sense. It’s more that polarising opinions are amplified on the Internet. See the “AI bros” online for some strongly positive opinions, they are quite ridiculous I think, they somehow treat LLMs to a higher degree than most business execs. And on the Internet, there is a higher proportion of tech-savvy individuals who know the ethical, legal, and moral risks of LLMs.
I highlight that they are LLMs, not AI. To say that they are “AI” would mean that they have intelligence. In my opinion, since these models do not actually understand the prompt given. I believe that intelligence requires being able to understand a problem and figure out a solution. There are plenty of intelligent beings on this planet, us humans, corvids, octopi, certain species of whale, etc. But LLMs are not one of them.
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 3 weeks ago
Because you are prone to be in eco chambers, on- and offline
Schmoo@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
When I come across someone IRL who loves AI I avoid the topic around them. My opinions on the topic are likely to offend them, so to avoid hurting their feelings or causing conflict I won’t mention them. Now, if it’s someone I care about I’ll find a way to gently broach the topic because I know that heavy AI use is causing them harm and I don’t want my family and friends to lose their grip on reality.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 3 weeks ago
Because on a vocal minority (which is right in most cases when referring to non-local LLMs) and a large majority of people who use AI without thinking about it, just liking the nice sycophantic chatbot without having to pay the real cost yet. A lot of money is invested to make sure the sheep stay silent.
Strider@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I see/hear it a lot irl. All that slop in ads (TV and internet) as well as other locations does not go over well. Especially the younger generation.
Cool 😎
Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
They’re using ai avatars in Burger Kings training videos now. God forbid they pay an employee a few bucks to read a script.
steam@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
im not that old myself ,im 25 and i love ai.
vinceman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
How do you feel about affording food?
Strider@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If that works for you, hf. (though it’s built on lies, massive resource waste and also massive unlicensed usage)
reluctant_squidd@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Because AI is actually useful in many situations to the individual, but inherently terrible for society as a whole.
Blaster_M@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I see both ends irl and online. Sometimes it feels as much a political issue as it is a technological one. Some models are quite useful. A lot are not. When the bubble implodes, the winners will rise from the ashes of the fallen. Unfortunately, we’re all caught in the crossfire of both the explosive speculative growth and the oncoming Great Depression 2.0…
…I just wanted realtime speech recognition and text to speech…
BCsven@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Not sure, my friends hare it online and in real life
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
As do I.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Your immediate group is more likely to have similar opinions to you.
FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
Social media is typically designed to create and strengthen social bubbles, bringing together like-minded people and showing them what they want to see. It is also designed to feed "engagement". Rage is a great way to do that.
Just look at the prevalence of upvoting and downvoting tools in various social media sites. A great way to ensure that opinions that are popular within a particular community become even more prominent, while driving out anything that isn't popular within that community. Little wonder that views inside those bubbles become a bit skewed compared to the outside world as a whole.
Azzu@leminal.space 3 weeks ago
Doesn’t make too much sense though, because OP said they love AI. If what you said was true, then they should have experienced the bubble of AI lovers, which they don’t.
Also, it’s quite evident that Lemmy is not at all “designed to feed ‘engagement’”, yet it is prevalent here anyway. “Scaled” sorts are the default, which specifically promote the less popular opinions.
This has nothing to do with structural differences, OP simply engages with different kind of people irl and online.
FaceDeer@fedia.io 3 weeks ago
This place that we're in right now is not a bubble of AI lovers, it's a bubble of AI haters.
Of course Lemmy is designed to feed engagement. If it wasn't then it would lose engagement to other forms of social media. For example, now that I've responded to your comment you're going to see a notification that will draw you back here.
Snapz@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
"I’m lying. Also maybe I’m a bot. I have weird syntax and bad grammer, so maybe I’m a paid troll from India, China, Russia or something?"
- OP
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Everybody I know hates AI, fears AI will take their job, and use AI all the time themselves.
njordomir@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I broke the ice with a lot more of my IRL friends in the last few months and most lean anti-AI with a few exceptions, for example, when your end goal is actually to get slop.
It’s probably the friend group you hang with. Based on your lack of capitalization, I’m guessing you are younger than me (maybe I’m wrong). A lot of young folks don’t see it because the worst AI shit was targeted at them and poisoning their development with AI dependence.
I do have someone close to be who loves AI, but I think they’ll come around when they see the US start paying for its AI missteps. Taking shortcuts only matters because quality and thoroughness isn’t valued. A good email should take at least a few minutes to write and a pro can weave in the appropriate details, requests, confirmations way better than a clanker.
devfuuu@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Because it’s hard to deal with people that are too in love with it and it’s easier to just stay quiet and let them be when you don’t have the proper capacity to articulate with people irl. Just like it’s near impossible to talk against someone being racist as if it’s the most normal thing in the world.
Epp@lemmus.org 3 weeks ago
It’s popular here to date AI. Everyone wants to be in the club, to feel included. It’s a hive mind demonstration.
crimson_iris@piefed.social 3 weeks ago
Oh bullshit. There are plenty of good reasons to be against “AI”. Look at any of the multi-paragraph, well-reasoned arguments right in this thread.
Epp@lemmus.org 3 weeks ago
They could be made about any technology. Everything is a tool, that can be used for good or evil, by good or evil people, with good or evil intent, with costs and sacrifices. AI is no different, but it’s popular to hate on it because it’s so disruptive. It’s like when automobiles were invented. Or computers. Or the Internet.
People resisting AI are luddites. Dictionary definition, not hyperbole, condescension or disparagement. Just fact.
otp@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I feel like I could be running a locally-hosted LLM powered by renewable energy trained on open-source datasets and I’d still get angry comments from someone active in c/piracy
jpreston2005@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Not a single person I know uses or likes AI. I think you’re just wrong, and know other people who behave similarly.
Fedegenerate@fedinsfw.app 3 weeks ago
Think of the alternative? Person uses a tool, tool does what they want, they go about their day.
What are they shouting from the rooftops? Gemini is running my herb garden, my herbs haven’t died yet! This is true: plant selection, pot selection, substrate, feeding/watering routine and troubleshooting is all managed by AI… Gardening isn’t a skill I care to aquire, I just want the herbs. I’ll often use it as a rubber duck to cover basic trouble shooting of my homelab, sometimes it figures out the problem, often it doesn’t but I’ll figure it out myself, keeping me off the forums.
Sure there is going to be shills screaming that their particular spanner cures cancer, or whatever, but the rest of us just use spanners and think/say nothing of it.
I’m sympathetic to the anti-capitalist arguments levied against AI, but only the anti-cap ones and only because they’re anti-cap. They’re right, capitalism does over exploit an environment causing climate change, droughts etd. They’re right, capitalism is unethical. They’re right capitalism does steal the value workers create. None of these problems are unique to AI (Nestle was stealing water long before AI), none of these problems are necessary for AI.
Iconoclast@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Social media isn’t real life. As with many other things, it’s the loud minority online who make it seem like they’re the majority. People who like AI don’t feel the need to declare it online. Neither do the ones with a neutral view on it, but the haters must let everyone else know that they’re on the right side of history and better than everyone else who disagrees with them.
These are usually the kind of people who, when you ask what they’re passionate about, just start listing things they don’t like. Most of Lemmy is like that. There’s very little talk about what people are into, but no shortage of grandstanding on what people oppose.
deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Get better friends?
Why do you love the slop machine?
steam@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
i love ai bec it helps me with anxiety sometimes. and i discuss philosophy with it to make ideas then find someone irl to discuss it with.
Pistachio@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Fuckin yikes dawg.
I’d get it if you liked it because it helps you understand calculus 3 or some stem shit, but thinking it’s helping with your mental health is mad yikes.
There are low cost resources out there to get legit help. Also, group therapy ain’t that bad. Using AI to “discus” philosophy or to ease your anxiety is self sucking. You’re not really broadening yourself, you’re allowing it to create an algorithm that you prefer and then it uses what it’s learned to jerk you off.
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
you don’t discuss anything… you search things on the internet and it gas lights you into believing. it’s not a conversation, it’s a prompt…it’s 1 way dialogue.
it doesn’t help with anxiety…it has lights you into thinking it does. it makes you reliant on it. you consider it help so you put your guard down while it slowly erodes your critical and logical thinking skills to the point where you won’t be able to function without it…resulting in massive anxiety and most likely being thrown over the top as a result of not being able to access it 24/7 for whether reason.
deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Installing Linux is possible with human written guides the slop is pushing out.
Anxiety and mental health should be fixed by people not a computer program to confirm your own biases.
Feyd@programming.dev 3 weeks ago
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatbot_psychosis
A_norny_mousse@piefed.zip 3 weeks ago
Because before AI nobody ever managed to install Linux!
Where do you think AI gets its Linux-installing knowledge from? A gazillion blogs explaining how to install Linux.
bluesheep@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
As someone with their own bag of mental health issues, including anxiety, I really can’t stress enough that you should seek a human health professional. They will help you much more than a robot ever could.
The other uses, eh whatever, even tho I hate ai as much as most people in this thread. But don’t use it as a replacement for actual mental help
nocturne@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
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ViscloReader@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Be careful about it
P00ptart@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Get the fuck away from me, Todd. I don’t wanna hear about your weird conversation with AI about philosophy.
RandomMouse@slrpnk.net 3 weeks ago
Sorry everyone here is acting in a way that likely will give you more anxiety.
AI has great potential in both directions. For many people, or in many instances, it will do the wrong thing and can produce dangerous outcomes (such as the psychosis people are referring to in this thread). But, if used responsibly alongside human assistance it is much more accessible and affordable (for now) than sets of mental health tools which are lacking in MANY ways and very few people would deny this.
I have seen it used both very well for health and also very poorly. It really depends on the skill of the user, just like most tools.
I think it’s very valid to question why other people aren’t getting the same results as you, but there’s many reasons why. Someone who can’t readily and accurately describe their situation or needs will suffer from choosing to learn from an AI, where as someone who is more knowledgeable about the topic, logic or communication is more likely to get benefit. The challenge is that… These people don’t know how to differentiate between the two groups and all will end up with mistakes from the AI affecting them.
too_high_for_this@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you need AI just to install Linux, you should stick to Windows.
Iconoclast@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Get better friends because current ones like AI? You can’t be serious.
deegeese@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
It’s OK, reading is hard, especially if you’ve given up thinking.