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London stabbing rates vs X posts about London crime
Submitted 20 hours ago by Luniio@lemmy.world to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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bitjunkie@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
And compare that to the rise of right wing ownership of media.
Melvin_Ferd@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
And compare that to the leftist handing social media over to the right uncontested.
zarkanian@sh.itjust.works 1 hour ago
What do you mean?
lightnsfw@reddthat.com 1 hour ago
I’m sure a huge part of this is actually racism as this post suggests but these two graphs aren’t really equivalent. The first graph is only assault with sharp objects, the second one covers posts about crime in general.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 12 minutes ago
And it could be presented as NHS being underfunded.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de 20 hours ago
Fear mongering right wing media machine goes brrrrrr
Same thing in Germany with crime in general constantly dropping while anti immigration sentiment keeps rising under the excuse of “violent immigrants”
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
A common trope of this kind of “Press” in the UK was (no idea if still is, as I left Britain some years ago) the “many generations of the same family living on benefits (i.e social security)”, which was part to greater far-right picture they very purposefully painted of poor people as leeches.
Somebody actual went and researched it and found out that in the whole of Britain - home to over 40 million people - there was a grand total of 3 families with 3 generations living on benefits, 4 if you count the massive stippend the Royal family gets from the British state as “benefits”, though they’re filthy rich and don’t actually need it.
A common schitck of the far-right propaganda to selects a handful of people who are assholes and happen to be part of a social group said far-right wishes to slander and point them out as if they’re representative of whole group. They do this for everybody, not just immigrants and it’s not just them doing it: for example, notice how news coverage of demonstrations from some News organisations tends to focus of the handful of people destroying things rather than on the majority who are behaving peacefully.
PP_BOY_@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
US too, crime has been dropping for decades but we apparently need a Gestapo force to go after criminal gangs
wander1236@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Well someone has to bring the crime back up
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
The curious thing about US crime statistics is that we only count crimes against the state. We never count crimes committed by the state.
I would argue that US Crime has been sharply on the rise, from within the organs of the government itself.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 hours ago
which they arnt, because actual gangs will shoot you on sight. thats why the FOR-PROFIT prisons and gop is freaking out that thier CASH cow is drying up.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Rightwingers keep trying to make Cali look like a crime ridden cesspool and Texas the peak of law and order, but crime statics between the two are marginal. They tend to shutdown whenever I cite sources on that.
radusecrieru91@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Unfortunately, this is only about hospitalisations. Crimes involving knives/sharp objects have been going steady, with a slight increase last years, from what I can see, mostly focused around rapes :( Source (uk parliament, confirming numbers about hospitalisations): …files.parliament.uk/…/SN04304.pdf
bigmamoth@lemmy.world 27 minutes ago
yeah it s obvious hospital admission isnt the full picture.
IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Knife crime in sharp decline
yakko@feddit.uk 8 hours ago
Stop, stop, you’ll scare a conservative Londoner with language like that!
Djehngo@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
It’s generally not even Londoners re-posting crime “news” about the capital (we live there, so we know) it’s more certain people from rural areas who neither live, work or visit London.
Those certain people are either the ones who have a chip on their shoulder about how London is a success despite not catering exclusively to white native born people, or people who just got sucked into an alternate reality where they read so much crime news that everyone in London must get stabbed once a year.
There is also a healthy dosage of conflating per square mile and per capita crime
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Be careful using the word “conservative” if you’re discussing UK politics - it’s literally the name of a (mainstream) political party.
Windex007@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Because I don’t understand correlation vs causation, I can only conclude that the monetization of X caused a steep decline in knife violence
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 17 hours ago
Probably because all the criminals are too busy posting about scary Muslim knife attacks on X.
draco_aeneus@mander.xyz 8 hours ago
These two graphs cover different time periods. It looks like the monetization of X lines up with that hump of sharply increased knife crime at the end there.
frank@sopuli.xyz 9 hours ago
I think that it’s true specifically because you don’t understand correlation vs causation
/s
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 18 hours ago
Nothing on X is organically viral now. Elon is the ultimate powertripping admin, and he will shape his website however he wants
agingelderly@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Elon is the ultimate white powertripping admin>
Ftfy
Zorque@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Is this supposed to highlight that he’s white, highlight that there’s non-white admins who powertrip more, or be a play on using irrelevant data to muddy the waters of critical thought?
I just want to be sure what subtext you’re using.
bizarroland@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
I’m gonna keep bringing this bell until people sit down and reread chicken little
The foxes want you to believe the sky is falling.
They want you panicked, so they can control you.
Their intent is to devour you.
The correct reaction is to not listen to them.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
And while we’re at it, un-ban all the silly things that they used your baseless hysteria as a purported justification for banning.
Knives for everybody! All shapes and sizes.
bizarroland@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
If everybody has a knife, then nobody has one.
Instead of getting smacked on the butt, newborn babies should be handed a switchblade so they can protect themselves.
jacksilver@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I always find it interesting when you’re only provided a portion of the data in a chart, as this shows “hospital Admissions” and not total incidents involving a knife.
If you look at other reports on the issue it seems like incidents involving a knife are still high (and don’t follow the trend from the graph) even though hospital Admissions and deaths are down - Source.
That could mean that reporting is up while crime is down, or could mean that less incidents are ending violently, but it’s not as clear a picture as the initial graph indicates.
Note: the source is for the UK in general, but other London based reports show similar. I chose that article because they seem fairly trustworthy.
Riverside@reddthat.com 8 hours ago
Isn’t the outcome the important thing? Like, clearly fewer people are dying/being hospitalized by knife attacks, isn’t that ultimately the relevant metric?
Gathorall@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Well, that means knife crime is more successful. Rarely are you supposed to even use the knife. And the victim needing a hospital after is also a failure. Therefore if knife crime remains high and hospitalizations are lowered that means the criminals have more success with it and it becomes are attractive formof crime.
lectricleopard@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
2/3 of murders in Minneapolis MN were committed my ICE agents this year. They say they want to make us safer.
I have frequently said, I have never been helped or protected by law enforcement. I have needed their help, and received shrugs. Overall, the world is a lot safer than government would have you believe, and they only want to protect capital anyway.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 hours ago
minneapolis has serve thier political purpose of the right: drum up support for a gop GOVERNER campaign, that dint work. so they are largely pulling out, and distracting from the epstein files, which largely dint work.
Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
I wonder what happened around 2018ish
1rre@discuss.tchncs.de 6 hours ago
I think the drop is 2020 and then it never recovered actually?
Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
I mean why was there a big surge around that time? Not referring to the later drop.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 4 hours ago
does those Twitter posts contain “Memes” or what
ceenote@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
What’s mildly infuriating is that the viral content graph doesn’t show the years where knife crime actually peaked.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
Yeah these graphs are frustrating. The knife one also has a Y axis starting at 600 along with the numbers being a “rolling 12 month average” of stabbings, whatever the hell that’s supposed to mean.
Riverside@reddthat.com 7 hours ago
Rolling averages are used to smooth-out graphs with high-frequency noise. Since measuring the stabbings per month only gives you some 50 stabbings on average, maybe one month you’d get 30 and the next month 70 due to stochastic reasons, and so to make the graph smoother and more readable and long-term trends more visible, you can do a rolling average.
As for the “starting in 600”, that’s common practice and it’s good as long as the axes are properly labelled, which they are.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 19 hours ago
Same as here in the states. Rural people happily eat up that the city is unsafe, and they happily believe they are so much smarter than everyone else for not living in the city and being murdered every other day.
AnanasMarko@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
Man, I have this debate quite often - usually about “the situation in Sweeden”. Any links available to the article, so I can share with my concerned friends?
Iceblade02@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Chiming in from Sweden, the situation here was getting very bad (relatively to how it used to be here, and how it is in the rest of the Nordics). When my dad was a kid, shootings would be national news, when I was a kid, bombings would be national news. Nowadays they are both so frequent that it barely makes the dailies.
Things have slowly started getting better again however, even if it’s slow going.
Here’s a link to a visualization tool from our national broadcaster. Keep in mind, all of Sweden is just some 10 million people.
starlinguk@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Sweden discourages integration, so there you are.
bort@sopuli.xyz 17 hours ago
the isnt even a correlation in that graph. e.g. if you look that crime peak in 2023, there is absolutely no correlating peak or drop in the twitter posts.
Grass@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
I think that’s the point. Like they don’t care about the actual stats and just say whatever they want for clicks
justsquigglez@leminal.space 19 hours ago
Heh, “sharp” decline.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Sharp Decline
rimshot
You could make this graph about pretty much any crime-news coverage over the last 40 years. If It Bleeds Then It Leads has become western media orthodoxy.
Eggymatrix@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
So less crime after brexit?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Less crime before Brexit, too. It appears crime peaked during Brexit.
ClockworkOtter@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Does the drop in knife crime just happen to coincide with when BJ stopped being mayor?
ultranaut@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
This is how crime reporting in the US works too. There isn’t a connection really between crime rates and news reporting, the news media broadly choose to focus on certain types of crimes because they serve the interests of their owners and/or are popular with their audiences. There’s decades of polling showing Americans largely have never had any idea what the actual risks are of crime.
ameancow@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Hey Brits.
USA hostage here.
You are presently rolling your eyes at this manufactured outrage, hoping it will hurry up and just pass by already so people can get on with their lives, right?
We’ve been there. It’s not going to stop, it’s going to get worse. And worse.
This fascist, racist infection will turn into an even worse cancer over there because you have more than one nation around you with different looking and different sounding people who are going to start feeling more and more displacement from climate and geopolitics and who be seeking safety and survival.
You already have a surveillance state that beats us, you are losing rights and freedoms every day. You had the strongest alliances in the world, but between the Brexit fiasco and now the US’s oligarchs sabotaging NATO, you are losing your strongest source of capital, which was unity and international community strength. If Ukraine falls, you will have Russia on your doorstep controlling your gas and food.
You need to do what we failed to do early enough, which is reinforce local and domestic communities and see the threat for what it is, an active force of destruction that works in slow-motion and attacks you in your weak points, your forums and subreddits and your social media, your television stations and your news agencies.
You are in so much danger of escalating chaos it’s going to make the USA look sane and balanced.
BanMe@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
France is starting to get it. I hope more countries do.