Plot twist: Theres still hackers in multiplayer even with all that crap plus rootkit they bundle with.
Just play an indie game, these games will only enshittify more and more.
Want to play the latest multiplayer games? Just go into your bios settings or upgrade your PC if it doesn't have TPM chip.
Submitted 3 weeks ago by Smokeydope@lemmy.world to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
turbowafflz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Exactly, and you’ll save tons of money too. ETS2 goes on sale for $5, stardew valley for $7.50, vintage story doesn’t go on sale but it’s only $22. All games that are way more fun, way less buggy, and have way more replay value than every piece of triple a junk i’ve played
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“enshittification” and it’s toggling two things in the BIOS, with one of them being literally required already by Windows 11, and the other being important for security to the point it should be toggled on anyways.
MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Literally NOT “required” by Windows 11. You can install 11 without TPM2 support just fine.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
the tpm does not add any security whatsoever for windows 11, and secure boot is being used to lock your control out of your own system. secure boot enabled with machine owner keys wouldn’t be enough either for these games
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
People have done what you say, and they’ve literally reset their motherboard with no immediate solution other than taking it to their computer repair shop. And that might even guarantee you get the motherboard back.
Very out of touch and elitist. Fuck off
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
What game is it? Name and shame.
Smokeydope@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Black Ops 7. Its got plenty of shaming going on for other reasons already but this is the first time ive seen this message.
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Does it? Other than the campaign being kinda ass and a bunch of assets being AI I don’t think there’s much to complain about this game. The matchmaking is old school, lobbies don’t disband, and the gameplay on MP is solid.
lime@feddit.nu 3 weeks ago
battlefield 6 does this, among others
nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Embark has been killing it. The Finals and Arc Raiders have been filling my multiplayer needs.
MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Those “features” are not about security. They’re about uniquely identifying the system without using, “personally identifiable information”.
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Is everyone in this fucking thread a Twitter-level schizophrenic??? What are ya’ll even saying. Please get some tech literacy.
amanneedsamaid@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Ironic comment
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This was funny to read, can’t deny ur right
The games that require secure boot/tpm already are installing kernel level “malware” so they can do much more with that than they can by knowing if you have tpm or not (which you do because you are playing, so 100% of their userbase will have it).
MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
rofl you ask for tech literacy, yet have no idea how TPM uniquely identifies a computer… Irony is an understatement.
the_riviera_kid@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah I dont need to play any game that requires my to allow spyware.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
There are so many good indie and older games these days too.
glitchdx@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I just won’t play such games. Simple as.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Its gonna be really funny in a few years when we learn that TPM2/SecureBoot has a built in backdoor for the NSA, just like how the Kinect did.
cinemablend.com/…/Xbox-Kinect-NSA-Spying-Was-Done…
And uh, no, it doesn’t matter if this happens intentionally via collaboration, or not, through incompetence.
Draegur@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice.
Turns out my ribs don’t actually care whether the boot that cracked them came from a decisive kick or because someone clumsily tripped over me.
(Also sufficiently advanced malice is often indistinguishable from incompetence by design: “oops we didn’t mean to, please forgive us and we pRoMiSe we won’t do it again!”)
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yep, that last part is … basically the most important concept of running a large organization, if you’re a corpo/evil bureaucrat.
The obfuscation is the point.
The ‘I thought I was in compliance’ is the point.
The ‘this is too complex to assign blame simply’…
That is the fucking point, of designing and running a system that works in that way.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
says horrifying thing
waits for reaction
If positive reaction: all good.
If negative reaction: “Calm down, it was just a joke.”
LiveLM@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Ergh this made feel kinda icky, brb unplugging my 360 from the wall when I’m not using it
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
The NSA has something like the 5th or 6th largest data center in existance, its been around for about a decade, in Utah.
They just capture everything, they have wiretaps on all the trunk lines that feed into undersea cables going international, they work with every major ISP, basically every major city in the US has a building where there are a bunch of floors for major ISPs/TelComms, and a bunch of floors for DHS, FBI, NSA, (Not the) CIA, etc, where those trunk lines come in.
For over a decade now, the problem is that they have so much data that they don’t know what to do with it, how to search through efficiently.
Or, well, that was their problem.
Enter Palantir, whose intial early whole thing as a company was developing ways to prioritizes and rapidly search through astounding amounts of data.
… You aren’t paranoid enough.
karashta@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Lmfao at this one dude literally losing his shit and defending this repeatedly in the comments like a fucking Microsoft white knight
x00z@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
He once got killed by a hacker and lost all his marbles.
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
He has a monthly keyboard budget also.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Welp, vote with your wallet. Money is the only thing these companies understand.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
the problem is that the overwhelming majority of gamers are short sighted little gremlins who need constant access to new shiny to feel validated.
Sure, they come on the internet to yell and scream about the horrid injustice of it all, but the second the vile evil company that they’ll never again support releases their next game… they are at gamestop preordering the 800 dollar super legendary edition.
There are people who actually do follow through, I am one of them… There are several companies on my shit list that I will never buy from again, and in over a decade have not bought from them. . . but people that actually follow through on it are too rare to make a difference.
Smokeydope@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
A lot of gamers tend to also be teenagers/young adults who just want to play a game with their friends in their social group. I was a kid once too after all so its understandable. However its the “just want to play with my friends” crowd that enables the industries worst practices by being consumers who think of yearly video game release hype cycles as vehicles of social interaction instead of caring about games as an art form thats being slowly degraded by corporate cuckery over time.
tomiant@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
You are fighting the LORD’s cause, sir, the LORD’s.
Sv443@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You say this as if we weren’t inside a big echo chamber of turbonerds right now. Everyone here already knows it. The actual way is to convince your less tech inclined friends and family.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I hate the idea of software/hardware that can prove that the user does not have control over it so much
Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
That’s why even I was on Windows, I would avoid Kernel level anticheat.
I know anticheat is important but I wish there was ways to prevent cheaters without running stuff in lower rings.halcyoncmdr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Microsoft just needs to start kicking shit out of the Kernel. Allowing any of it is inherently insecure on a fundamental level.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
They won’t, at least not for a very long time, because they deeply resist breaking changes, even when they are a net benefit.
I think they are working towards getting everything out of the kernel though, ever since that Crowdstrike outage.
Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
They are.
Kernel level drivers with known security vulnerabilities are blocked from loading in Windows 11.
This is functionality of the core isolation / memory integrity protection, which rely on Secure Boot and TPM to function.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
True
tomiant@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Would be nice to play a game without providing my DNA.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What game is this? so I know what company to never buy from again.
f4f4f4f4f4f4f4f4@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Battlefield 6 by EA, which is now privately owned by the Saudi Arabia Public Investment Fund, Silver Lake and Affinity Partners
Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You mean if I play EA games I will be supporting a murderous regime that engaged in the largest terrorist attack on US soil resulting in the massive loss of our rights?
Oh darn, I guess I won’t be missing much.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I know all about EA’s sellout.
Smokeydope@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Call Of Duty Black Ops 7, however im hearing Battlefield 6 is also in the same boat.
ohshit604@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Want some nostalgia? Plutonium for Black Ops 2 is still relatively alive with a crap ton of modded servers. Game is still fun to play.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
One that obviously isn’t worth playing.
C1pher@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Just dont fucking play those games. Simple.
bytesonbike@discuss.online 2 weeks ago
Which is so ridiculously easy in my head. But then I see like 4 million people playing and I’m wondering… Am I the crazy one?
Draegur@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
When i see that many idiots being duped it just makes me feel superior~!
:3c
Joking aside, look at how foolish the median person is. That they are average means that literally half of humanity is even more foolish than they are.
Quantity may be a quality all its own but in light of such damning disqualifications it hardly matters at all.
pyria@kbin.melroy.org 2 weeks ago
No, it just means that the sad reality that in order for the right things to happen for the betterment of society, it takes a long time for idiots to figure it out. Which means we'll be long dead before they ever do and they'll still be playing Black Ops 133rd: Operation Dickcheese that's going to require 12 Petabytes of storage.
Continue working against conformity!
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Welp, doesn’t run in proton. Next on the list…
tomiant@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
I told you so. You called me paranoid. I said so. Now lookatyou.
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Secure Boot and TPM do NOT run anything in the lower rings, ffs. It’s literally a security true/false check.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
who said they do?
FatVegan@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
That’s what’s pissing me off. People still cheat. It’s not that they have these invasive and stupid ways of anti cheats, but at least they work.
Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Way I see it, there’s two ways to address the “cheating” issue in multiplayer online games.
First, let’s establish that game cheats typically involve using another application to modify the game’s running code while it is loaded in memory.
Historically, anti-cheat has largely taken a “reactive” approach. Try to detect the hook / modification taking place, ban the player if it is detected. These systems and bans were often circumvented. There are entire games that I stopped playing because the experience was ruined for me - GTA Online and the late stages of Titanfall 2 are standouts in my mind.
With how the Windows device security landscape has changed In the 2020s (MacOS has had something similar for ages), there’s now the option of taking a “proactive” approach by preventing application memory from being tapped in the first place. These technologies, notably Secure Boot and TPM, help mitigate rootkits and malware that might steal sensitive information from application memory, as well as paving the way for other protection measures like disk encryption.
And that’s the main part they’re interested in - by ensuring the entire process up through the kernel cannot be tampered with, the anti-cheat is going to be highly effective at pre-empting anyone from attempting the cheat to begin with.
It really sucks that, in the curent landscape, that means there are a handful of games that I can’t play on my Linux devices. But it also makes sense - Proton runs with many layers beneath it, which would make it trivial to tamper with memory and engage in cheating.
I’m hopeful that we’ll someday see a solution that opens up the opportunity for the same degree of integrity protection in Linux so that anyone can enjoy any game on the operating system of their choosing.
realitista@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
What game? Name and shame!
Xatolos@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Call of Duty Black Ops 7 …steampowered.com/…/Call_of_Duty_Black_Ops_7
wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
There’s plenty of options. Many desktop mobos and CPUs support TPM2 through bios or firmware updates. Other desktop mobos have TPM headers and the modules go for $12-$30, but you have to track down the specific module compatible with your mobo as there is no standard pinout, even within the same manufacturer. There’s also one PCIE TPM2 card I found, but it’s from a company I don’t recognize and their site has no purchase button, just “contact us”, so that doesnct check out as legit to me.
Lastly, TPM2 has been a standard since 2015, with most manufacturers including it starting in 2016. At some point you have to accept that certain experiences will be unavailable to you without upgraded hardware. 10 years out of a computer before you start hitting hard limitations like this is a fucking great amount of life out of it.
shininghero@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
It’s more unusual than anything. TPM2 and Secure boot are requirements I would expect from a security compliance checklist and software handling at least somewhat valuable data, like maybe a password vault.
A steam game is the last place I would expect this.
real_squids@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Especially unusual bc there are kernel level anticheats that work just fine without it
pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Once you delve into the technical parts of it, it’s actually not that unusual. I wrote more detail in another comment on this post, but the TLDR of it is that Secure Boot is meant to enforce the integrity of the boot procedure to ensure that only approved code runs before the Windows kernel gets control, and the TPM 2.0 is meant to attest to that. Together, they make it possible for anticheat to tell if something tried to rootkit Windows to evade detection.
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It is for the anti-cheat, it seems, and for the case of BO7 it seems to actually have worked this time. I haven’t seen a hacker at all.
tomiant@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
“There are alternatives! You don’t *have to* own slaves, it’s just an option!”
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You’re literally fucking comparing slavery to toggling two fucking things on the BIOS? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Nah fuck that, you gotta go. Image
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The fact you’re getting downvoted is absurd. Mfs really want to play a MODERN TRIPLE A game like Battlefield 6 or Black Ops 7 with hardware from 2014!! You can literally go on used marketplaces and get stuff from like 2018-2019 that would run those games well enough! Hell, I’m pretty damn poor and I live in a country with terrible electronics taxes, and I still managed to get myself upgraded to semi-modern hardware by buying used!
tomiant@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
We want to do it without providing a fucking urine sample ok
MotoAsh@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
rofl you think a newer system is actually necessary? What a cucky bitchboi opinion…
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
start going down the technical path with Linux to extend the life further.
linux won’t fix this kind of shit, because this is about an arbitrary limitation of wanting to lock the owner out of the system. these malware companies won’t ever recognize a free linux setup as “verified”
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Nice that steam tells you so you don’t have to waste the bandwidth before refunding it.
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Bro… There is no excuse to have a computer from 2014 anymore for GAMES unless you only want to do light stuff/emulators on it. Like, man, just search on used marketplaces, a B350/B450 motherboard for Ryzen processors costs less than 50 bucks there and they all have TPM capabilities, and you can get a R5 3600 for like 50 bucks 😭
tomiant@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Missing the fucking point- you should not give up absolute control of your machine at the lowest level to play a shit game
SalamenceFury@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Secure Boot and TPM are literally two fucking hash checks on boot. Ya’ll kids really fucking need some technological literacy.
warm@kbin.earth 2 weeks ago
You are missing the point entirely. This shit should not be required to play a fucking video game.
pivot_root@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sorry to see the downvotes buddy, people are cult-ish. You aren’t wrong.
The entire idea of Secure Boot is to verify the boot chain using signature checks to ensure that nothing “unauthorized” runs in the boot process before control is handed off to the kernel. It’s meant to stop lower bootloader stages from silently modifying or hooking later stages.
In theory, it’s supposed to stop rootkits from being able to exist above the OS, hiding themselves while stealing information or influencing programs. In practice, there’s a shit load of badly implemented EFI programs and bootloaders that are signed and later turned out to be vectors for arbitrary code execution (this is why you need the DBX list to be updated frequently).
Cynically, Microsoft probably came up with Secure Boot because that whole rootkit-and-fuck-with-the-kernel thing used to be one of the ways people cracked Windows 7.
As for TPM 2.0, the whole point of it being used for anticheat is because it stores an immutable log of the Secure Boot process and attests to the integrity of the system. If I installed my own Secure Boot certificates and rootkitted Windows for the sole purpose of cheating, the TPM would see that a self-signed executable was used during boot and refuse to say the system was unmodified.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
And there always will be cheaters. If running a cheat on the local machine doesn’t work anymore, there is nothing stopping someone hooking up an SoC running a inference model analysing your screen and sending inputs to an usb-dongle that emulates mouse input. Can probably be Mass manufactured cheaper than those inflated price tags on those games.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I got tired of Windows pulling this shit with my 4th gen Xeon and 6th gen Core i7 (laptop) that, when they died, I replaced them both with Macs. Always wanted to be a Mac user. Now I am.
I know, “Apple isn’t much better,” but at least I can say I voted with my wallet. Just buying another PC, even if I could find one without a Windows license, and installing Linux, would not have been enough of a shift. Plus I feel I would have just came back to Windows anyway.
starchylemming@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
i wonder, is there a good way to simulate that?
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
Nice of Steam to warn you though.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
True
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
They check the other requirements too, presumably