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  • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Pop it in your calendars? Maybe I’m using calendars wrong, but mine aren’t filled with things I should avoid doing. But, I’m willing to learn. What date should I put “Don’t Buy Subnautica 2” on?

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    • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Everyday up until it releases

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      • ripcord@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

        Shat about after it releases? How will I know to keep not buying it?

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    • KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yes

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  • TabbsTheBat@pawb.social ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    It’s a canon event for any game company that achieves moderate success

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    • daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Kerbal Space Program 2 still hurts me.

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      • nuko147@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Although Kerbal space program 2 had major issues from the dev team, only for the publisher to pull the plug because of how bad the progress was, and leave the game in permanent early access.

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      • Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Hopefully Kitten Space Agency ends up being a true spiritual sequel.

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    • kautau@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It’s a canon event for any game company that achieves moderate success gets acquired by investors

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      • TabbsTheBat@pawb.social ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        True :3

        I just said game to stay on topic tbh

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    • pennomi@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Except ConcernedApe, apparently.

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      • TabbsTheBat@pawb.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Individual devs seem to generally manage better I think :3. It’s once the companies expand is that stuff starts going awry

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      • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Or the Terraria team.

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      • pory@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Didn’t sell out to a company or publisher with shareholder profit motives. Truly independent (not “indie” as slang for low budget) development teams don’t follow this pattern unless they sell their IP and studio outright.

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    • shialac@lemmy.zip ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Rip ZA/UM

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    • Duamerthrax@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I think Croteam has been able to have moderate success over the years, but being based in Eastern Europe might make them insulated from issues. Devolver only recently bought them, but they seem to be one of the few good publishers. I at least didn’t see their name on the Video Games Europe member list that’s opposed to SKGs.

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    • burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It would make sense for it to be canon in the subnautica universe. I think they were pretty much the epitome of authors with an anvil with the references to economics and governing.

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  • Ellvix@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    And they want to add micro transactions

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    • Zorque@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      But they said they wouldn’t!

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  • mriswith@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    The three people were replaced with a guy who used to work at EA. And one of their first announcements was an unprompted “we wont put loot boxes in the game”…

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    • ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m not going to burn your house down, rest easy knowing that. :)

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    • Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Next week: Introducing new “reward containers”

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    • kurcatovium@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      No, they won't. Because they already are there.

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  • Signtist@bookwyr.me ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They did all this because they know that the vast majority of the playerbase will never hear about this, and many of those that do will either forget, or simply not care enough to boycott the game. We're in an age of apathy across the board, with so much bad press that any given scandal just fades into the background noise.

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    • RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Who’s the streamer that boosted the Don’t Kill Games petition? Get them on it.

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  • LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I will support this by continuing to be apathetic toward (and in fact ignorant of) a game known as Subnautica 2.

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    • sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m not ignorant of it, just uninterested. I’ve watched gameplay footage of the first one, and it didn’t look like my kind of game.

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      • JackbyDev@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        First one was a cool premise but really annoying in some ways. The game sort of assumes you get certain fragments of blue prints by certain points but doesn’t actually make them easy to find nor really give you any hints to find them.

        For people who’ve played it was for the sea moth and and later the moon well.

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  • Wolf@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I am also boycotting Microsoft and every product from companies owned by them.

    Sure, that doesn’t leave a lot of games I can buy, but hey, Indie games are often the best games. Also I have a backlog so huge there will probably be peace in the middle east before I’m thorough with it.

    Besides if there is a game I really want to play, I hear there arrrrr still ways to do so without supporting genocide.

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    • kingpoiuy@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Linux gaming is really hot right now. Out of my 575 games on steam I can play 568 of them.

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      • Wolf@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Ditched Windows permanently 11 months ago for Pop-OS and couldn’t be happier. I’ve been a big Linux fan for years, but would always dual boot for gaming purposes.

        I’m so glad that isn’t necessary any longer. Almost feels cheating, being Microsoft free with Zero downsides and plenty of benefits.

        You may already know, but a lot of times when a game isn’t listed as ‘playable’ it just means that particular game hasn’t been tested yet and will likely still work just fine, unless it requires kernel level anti cheat ofc

        Just so happens I’m boycotting that as well. If I wanted you to do shady shit to my OS, I’d have stayed on Windows.

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      • Typhoonigator@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Do you have a recommended flavor of Linux for gaming?

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    • BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This is a good policy. They destroy everything they touch, anyway, including their acquired studios.

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    • vivalapivo@lemmy.today ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I find it really hard to boycott Microsoft today. Yeah, fuck windows, office, Xbox. But there’s GitHub and Azure which you just ignore walking the internet

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      • Wolf@lemmy.today ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah, GitHub really hurts. Hopefully people will start to use SourceForge and similar alternatives once they realize that Microsoft isn’t just trying to monopolize Operating Systems and Gaming Studios, but the whole damn Internet as well.

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  • etchinghillside@reddthat.com ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Im gonna need a fact check on that bonus number.

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    • sirico@feddit.uk ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yes you are going to need to, but as you asked so presumptively I have a couple of links from pretty good journalistic sources.

      rockpapershotgun.com/krafton-plan-to-delay-subnau…

      theverge.com/…/krafton-delay-subnautica-2-250-mil…

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      • wioum@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Bloomberg article: archive.is/njpO8

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      • BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Archive link for the Bloomberg article in case the gift link stops working archive.is/2mltm

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      • FanBlade@lemmynsfw.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I mean, you made the claim presumptively, seems reasonable to think it would be on you to provide a source.

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      • paultimate14@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        The $250 million bonus was due to kick in if Unknown Worlds hit certain revenue targets by the end of 2025

        The whole key to this is how the bonus is structured, and that is unknown still. They very well may have just been something like “10% of net profit, capped at $250 million”.

        If the whole cost of the game was JUST $250 million, that would put it in the [top-15](The $250 million bonus was due to kick in if Unknown Worlds hit certain revenue targets by the end of 2025) most expensive games we have official numbers for. This doesn’t pass the smell test.

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      • ipitco@lemmybefree.net ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You said it was a fact when it’s just a suspicion

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      • etchinghillside@reddthat.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Apologies - that was not a dig at the validity of the information provided.

        That’s a very high number - so I had to either be misunderstanding the number or underestimating the number of employees the bonus was going to.

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    • atticus88th@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      This fact check provided by EA Games.

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  • Yamanashi@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Seems like there is a plot twist to this story no one is mentioning bsky.app/profile/…/3ltmyjaecpc2w

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    • vane@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Image Best comment. Trust the publisher bro !

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    • abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      It sucks that this is going around too. Because no matter what the “right” choice is the devs are still gonna have to see what should have just been their fun project get thrown around in gaming politic hell

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    • Ashtear@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Everyone seems to be more interested in the latest techbro feud so I wanted to highlight what he said about Unknown Worlds staff not being given specifics on what their compensation will be. The statement was quite nebulous on that.

      No problem going into detail about the previous execs though!

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    • floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Ah shit, is this ZA/UM all over again?

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    • buttnugget@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I’m sure there’s some truth in there, but it is hard to believe it entirely. This is what you get for unnecessarily selling your company.

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    • SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Oh. Huh. That seems important. I wonder what they have to say in response.

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  • ter_maxima@jlai.lu ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Publishers are cancer. Self publish whenever possible !

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    • Wolf@lemmy.today ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You Don’t Need a F-ing Publisher*

      *unless you do.

      It would just require smaller teams making lower budget games that are more focused on Art than sales, which I would be really happy about honestly. Too many people are in this industry solely to rake in the big bucks.

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      • ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        A self-published game with a focus on quality will outperform any AAA game.

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  • nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Pirate all Krafton games.

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  • Vintor@retrolemmy.com ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    More importantly in the short run, remove it from your wishlists so that Krafton can see your choice! At the moment, they are super proud of the game being the most wishlisted on Steam.

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    • Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Isnt every other new game “the most wish listed on steam”? Do any of them ever prove this with numbers?

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  • ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    You should get a publisher if:

    You want to make one game then get fired

    You want your work to be bastardized by the publisher in the future

    You want countless hours of overtime/crunch and no compensation

    You want to be another disposable cog in the machine

    If that doesn’t sound like something you want, self-publish.

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  • Cheems@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Nooooooooooooooo I was literally just talking about being excited for this game.

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  • Bosht@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Oh fucking god dammit. I was really looking forward to it too.

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  • swordgeek@lemmy.ca ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Oooh, there’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.

    $250M PLUS legal costs PLUS $250M in punitive fees. That should hurt them a bit.

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    • MJKee9@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You can’t typically get punitive damages for contract disputes. Also, there is a very real possibility that the contract hasn’t been breached by the new owners’ actions. It sounds like they used their superior bargaining power to put a lot of questionable yet enforceable provisions in the contract.

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      • thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Ive heard of it once where the defendant litterally wrote a book on how to use overseas buisness to pull off scams like the one he was being accused of

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      • swordgeek@lemmy.ca ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Punitive damages can be awarded for bad-faith bargaining, which definitely seems to be the case here.

        It’s a stretch perhaps, but that’s what I think would be reasonable.

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  • Opisek@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Just typical KRAFTON doing KRAFTON things.

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  • Derpenheim@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Yar har fiddle dee dee

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  • Gt5@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I feel like I’m the only person on the planet who thought Subnautica was boring and tedious. It was definitely not for me

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    • Balinares@pawb.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Nah, that’s valid. I loved it to bits, myself, but what made me love it was how adroitly I felt it curated feelings of dread and sincere awe as I explored deeper and deeper; and that’s highly subjective. I hope you’re finding as much joy in your own fave games as I did in Subnautica!

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    • ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I also wasn’t a fan, mainly due to how often you need to resupply to stay alive. You get a very small window of opportunity to do actual exploration before you need to go find more food and water, on top of gathering a bunch of other materials.

      I liked parts of it, but ultimately just got frustrated with the tedious parts and bailed.

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      • cynar@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        That phase does end. The various vehicles allowed for exploration without returning to the surface, as do deep sea bases.

        At the same time, I fully understand why you feel that way. The crunch is required for the fear to be meaningful, it’s not everybody’s cup of tea.

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      • Goodeye8@piefed.social ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I don't know how far you made it but if you make the biggest vehicle you can add planters inside the vehicle which significantly cuts down the need to restock. That said the in the end game the survival elements become so trivialize they end meaningless busywork even if you have planters.

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    • FellowEnt@sh.itjust.works ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Couldn’t get into the main game. In VR, however, just exploring was an unforgettable experience.

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      • Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It’s just a shame it’s such a half arsed VR conversion. Way too much UI going on for my tastes.

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      • cynar@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I want to love it in VR. It’s taking me a long time to train my stomach to accept it however. It gives me SERIOUS motion sickness in VR.

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  • flandish@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    i never bought 1. But also the story behind 2 feels like ksp2.

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  • DicJacobus@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I never cared for Subnautica I also never cared for PUBG

    But what little I know about PUBG, What I’ve seen them do to Subnautica 2, and that lazy AI ridden “Sims killer” Inzoi, Im of the opinion Krafton are just hustlers.

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  • paultimate14@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I’m at least willing to wait until it gets reviews to make a sound judgement.

    I don’t think the bonus would have been a big enough reason to delay the game. Delaying a game like this relatively last-minute and giving it an extra year of development is waaaay more expensive than the bonuses would have been. That’s a gigantic revenue spike they were expecting to get this year and now have to push out to next year, and they may well end up paying out similar bonuses next year too.

    My suspicion, from the history of Steve Papoutsis, is that Kraftom wanted to add in anti-player elements and the original founders refused. Probably micro transactions, or maybe even having a bigger multiplayer focus to make it closer to a live-service game. Some mechanism to get money from customers beyond the original purchase. I suspect crap like that will be reason enough not to buy the game when it comes out.

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  • BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t understand how game dev works, how does a publishing company fire the CEO of a game dev company. Like do these publishers own the game company?

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  • chrislowles@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

    Set your stopwatches for when Tango gets shafted right before releasing their next game.

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  • dastanktal@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Companies only answer to profit and unfortunately we get to see the results. Can’t have those proles making 250 million dollars now. That would eat into the profits of our shareholders.

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  • Tattorack@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Well… Piracy it is, then.

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  • SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Ok, no problem.

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  • _cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I mean, I wasn’t planning on buying it before I played it anyway.

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  • viking@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Never heard of it, probably never will once I forget about this post.

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  • maxwells_daemon@lemmy.world ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    “But it’s still mostly the same team, please give us the benefit of the doubt 😭😭😭😭”

    Don’t be stupid, don’t buy from a publisher before the 1.0 release

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