It’s a canon event for any game company that achieves moderate success
Pop it in your calendars
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TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 11 hours ago
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
Kerbal Space Program 2 still hurts me.
nuko147@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Although Kerbal space program 2 had major issues from the dev team, only for the publisher to pull the plug because of how bad the progress was, and leave the game in permanent early access.
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Hopefully Kitten Space Agency ends up being a true spiritual sequel.
kautau@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
It’s a canon event for any
gamecompany thatachieves moderate successgets acquired by investorsTabbsTheBat@pawb.social 9 hours ago
True :3
I just said game to stay on topic tbh
pennomi@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Except ConcernedApe, apparently.
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social 10 hours ago
Individual devs seem to generally manage better I think :3. It’s once the companies expand is that stuff starts going awry
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Or the Terraria team.
pory@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Didn’t sell out to a company or publisher with shareholder profit motives. Truly independent (not “indie” as slang for low budget) development teams don’t follow this pattern unless they sell their IP and studio outright.
shialac@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
Rip ZA/UM
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I think Croteam has been able to have moderate success over the years, but being based in Eastern Europe might make them insulated from issues. Devolver only recently bought them, but they seem to be one of the few good publishers. I at least didn’t see their name on the Video Games Europe member list that’s opposed to SKGs.
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de 8 hours ago
It would make sense for it to be canon in the subnautica universe. I think they were pretty much the epitome of authors with an anvil with the references to economics and governing.
Ellvix@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
And they want to add micro transactions
Zorque@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
But they said they wouldn’t!
mriswith@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
The three people were replaced with a guy who used to work at EA. And one of their first announcements was an unprompted “we wont put loot boxes in the game”…
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk 7 hours ago
I’m not going to burn your house down, rest easy knowing that. :)
Bronzebeard@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
Next week: Introducing new “reward containers”
kurcatovium@piefed.social 7 hours ago
No, they won't. Because they already are there.
Signtist@bookwyr.me 9 hours ago
They did all this because they know that the vast majority of the playerbase will never hear about this, and many of those that do will either forget, or simply not care enough to boycott the game. We're in an age of apathy across the board, with so much bad press that any given scandal just fades into the background noise.
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Who’s the streamer that boosted the Don’t Kill Games petition? Get them on it.
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
I will support this by continuing to be apathetic toward (and in fact ignorant of) a game known as Subnautica 2.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
I’m not ignorant of it, just uninterested. I’ve watched gameplay footage of the first one, and it didn’t look like my kind of game.
JackbyDev@programming.dev 2 hours ago
First one was a cool premise but really annoying in some ways. The game sort of assumes you get certain fragments of blue prints by certain points but doesn’t actually make them easy to find nor really give you any hints to find them.
For people who’ve played it was for the sea moth and and later the moon well.
Wolf@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
I am also boycotting Microsoft and every product from companies owned by them.
Sure, that doesn’t leave a lot of games I can buy, but hey, Indie games are often the best games. Also I have a backlog so huge there will probably be peace in the middle east before I’m thorough with it.
Besides if there is a game I really want to play, I hear there arrrrr still ways to do so without supporting genocide.
kingpoiuy@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Linux gaming is really hot right now. Out of my 575 games on steam I can play 568 of them.
Wolf@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
Ditched Windows permanently 11 months ago for Pop-OS and couldn’t be happier. I’ve been a big Linux fan for years, but would always dual boot for gaming purposes.
I’m so glad that isn’t necessary any longer. Almost feels cheating, being Microsoft free with Zero downsides and plenty of benefits.
You may already know, but a lot of times when a game isn’t listed as ‘playable’ it just means that particular game hasn’t been tested yet and will likely still work just fine, unless it requires kernel level anti cheat ofc
Just so happens I’m boycotting that as well. If I wanted you to do shady shit to my OS, I’d have stayed on Windows.
Typhoonigator@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Do you have a recommended flavor of Linux for gaming?
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
This is a good policy. They destroy everything they touch, anyway, including their acquired studios.
vivalapivo@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
I find it really hard to boycott Microsoft today. Yeah, fuck windows, office, Xbox. But there’s GitHub and Azure which you just ignore walking the internet
Wolf@lemmy.today 6 hours ago
Yeah, GitHub really hurts. Hopefully people will start to use SourceForge and similar alternatives once they realize that Microsoft isn’t just trying to monopolize Operating Systems and Gaming Studios, but the whole damn Internet as well.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com 11 hours ago
Im gonna need a fact check on that bonus number.
sirico@feddit.uk 11 hours ago
Yes you are going to need to, but as you asked so presumptively I have a couple of links from pretty good journalistic sources.
wioum@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Bloomberg article: archive.is/njpO8
BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml 11 hours ago
Archive link for the Bloomberg article in case the gift link stops working archive.is/2mltm
FanBlade@lemmynsfw.com 9 hours ago
I mean, you made the claim presumptively, seems reasonable to think it would be on you to provide a source.
paultimate14@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
The $250 million bonus was due to kick in if Unknown Worlds hit certain revenue targets by the end of 2025
The whole key to this is how the bonus is structured, and that is unknown still. They very well may have just been something like “10% of net profit, capped at $250 million”.
If the whole cost of the game was JUST $250 million, that would put it in the [top-15](The $250 million bonus was due to kick in if Unknown Worlds hit certain revenue targets by the end of 2025) most expensive games we have official numbers for. This doesn’t pass the smell test.
ipitco@lemmybefree.net 9 hours ago
You said it was a fact when it’s just a suspicion
etchinghillside@reddthat.com 5 hours ago
Apologies - that was not a dig at the validity of the information provided.
That’s a very high number - so I had to either be misunderstanding the number or underestimating the number of employees the bonus was going to.
atticus88th@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
This fact check provided by EA Games.
Yamanashi@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
Seems like there is a plot twist to this story no one is mentioning bsky.app/profile/…/3ltmyjaecpc2w
vane@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
abigscaryhobo@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
It sucks that this is going around too. Because no matter what the “right” choice is the devs are still gonna have to see what should have just been their fun project get thrown around in gaming politic hell
Ashtear@lemmy.zip 3 hours ago
Everyone seems to be more interested in the latest techbro feud so I wanted to highlight what he said about Unknown Worlds staff not being given specifics on what their compensation will be. The statement was quite nebulous on that.
No problem going into detail about the previous execs though!
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 hours ago
Ah shit, is this ZA/UM all over again?
buttnugget@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I’m sure there’s some truth in there, but it is hard to believe it entirely. This is what you get for unnecessarily selling your company.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 6 hours ago
Oh. Huh. That seems important. I wonder what they have to say in response.
ter_maxima@jlai.lu 6 hours ago
Publishers are cancer. Self publish whenever possible !
Wolf@lemmy.today 5 hours ago
You Don’t Need a F-ing Publisher*
*unless you do.
It would just require smaller teams making lower budget games that are more focused on Art than sales, which I would be really happy about honestly. Too many people are in this industry solely to rake in the big bucks.
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
A self-published game with a focus on quality will outperform any AAA game.
nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 hours ago
Pirate all Krafton games.
Vintor@retrolemmy.com 8 hours ago
More importantly in the short run, remove it from your wishlists so that Krafton can see your choice! At the moment, they are super proud of the game being the most wishlisted on Steam.
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Isnt every other new game “the most wish listed on steam”? Do any of them ever prove this with numbers?
ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
You should get a publisher if:
You want to make one game then get fired
You want your work to be bastardized by the publisher in the future
You want countless hours of overtime/crunch and no compensation
You want to be another disposable cog in the machine
If that doesn’t sound like something you want, self-publish.
Cheems@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Nooooooooooooooo I was literally just talking about being excited for this game.
Bosht@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Oh fucking god dammit. I was really looking forward to it too.
swordgeek@lemmy.ca 10 hours ago
Oooh, there’s a lawsuit waiting to happen.
$250M PLUS legal costs PLUS $250M in punitive fees. That should hurt them a bit.
MJKee9@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
You can’t typically get punitive damages for contract disputes. Also, there is a very real possibility that the contract hasn’t been breached by the new owners’ actions. It sounds like they used their superior bargaining power to put a lot of questionable yet enforceable provisions in the contract.
thann@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
Ive heard of it once where the defendant litterally wrote a book on how to use overseas buisness to pull off scams like the one he was being accused of
swordgeek@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
Punitive damages can be awarded for bad-faith bargaining, which definitely seems to be the case here.
It’s a stretch perhaps, but that’s what I think would be reasonable.
Opisek@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Just typical KRAFTON doing KRAFTON things.
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 2 hours ago
Yar har fiddle dee dee
Gt5@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
I feel like I’m the only person on the planet who thought Subnautica was boring and tedious. It was definitely not for me
Balinares@pawb.social 8 hours ago
Nah, that’s valid. I loved it to bits, myself, but what made me love it was how adroitly I felt it curated feelings of dread and sincere awe as I explored deeper and deeper; and that’s highly subjective. I hope you’re finding as much joy in your own fave games as I did in Subnautica!
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net 8 hours ago
I also wasn’t a fan, mainly due to how often you need to resupply to stay alive. You get a very small window of opportunity to do actual exploration before you need to go find more food and water, on top of gathering a bunch of other materials.
I liked parts of it, but ultimately just got frustrated with the tedious parts and bailed.
cynar@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
That phase does end. The various vehicles allowed for exploration without returning to the surface, as do deep sea bases.
At the same time, I fully understand why you feel that way. The crunch is required for the fear to be meaningful, it’s not everybody’s cup of tea.
Goodeye8@piefed.social 7 hours ago
I don't know how far you made it but if you make the biggest vehicle you can add planters inside the vehicle which significantly cuts down the need to restock. That said the in the end game the survival elements become so trivialize they end meaningless busywork even if you have planters.
FellowEnt@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Couldn’t get into the main game. In VR, however, just exploring was an unforgettable experience.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 7 hours ago
It’s just a shame it’s such a half arsed VR conversion. Way too much UI going on for my tastes.
cynar@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I want to love it in VR. It’s taking me a long time to train my stomach to accept it however. It gives me SERIOUS motion sickness in VR.
flandish@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
i never bought 1. But also the story behind 2 feels like ksp2.
DicJacobus@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I never cared for Subnautica I also never cared for PUBG
But what little I know about PUBG, What I’ve seen them do to Subnautica 2, and that lazy AI ridden “Sims killer” Inzoi, Im of the opinion Krafton are just hustlers.
paultimate14@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I’m at least willing to wait until it gets reviews to make a sound judgement.
I don’t think the bonus would have been a big enough reason to delay the game. Delaying a game like this relatively last-minute and giving it an extra year of development is waaaay more expensive than the bonuses would have been. That’s a gigantic revenue spike they were expecting to get this year and now have to push out to next year, and they may well end up paying out similar bonuses next year too.
My suspicion, from the history of Steve Papoutsis, is that Kraftom wanted to add in anti-player elements and the original founders refused. Probably micro transactions, or maybe even having a bigger multiplayer focus to make it closer to a live-service game. Some mechanism to get money from customers beyond the original purchase. I suspect crap like that will be reason enough not to buy the game when it comes out.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I don’t understand how game dev works, how does a publishing company fire the CEO of a game dev company. Like do these publishers own the game company?
chrislowles@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
Set your stopwatches for when Tango gets shafted right before releasing their next game.
dastanktal@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
Companies only answer to profit and unfortunately we get to see the results. Can’t have those proles making 250 million dollars now. That would eat into the profits of our shareholders.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Well… Piracy it is, then.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 4 hours ago
Ok, no problem.
_cryptagion@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
I mean, I wasn’t planning on buying it before I played it anyway.
viking@infosec.pub 2 hours ago
Never heard of it, probably never will once I forget about this post.
maxwells_daemon@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
“But it’s still mostly the same team, please give us the benefit of the doubt 😭😭😭😭”
Don’t be stupid, don’t buy from a publisher before the 1.0 release
merc@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Pop it in your calendars? Maybe I’m using calendars wrong, but mine aren’t filled with things I should avoid doing. But, I’m willing to learn. What date should I put “Don’t Buy Subnautica 2” on?
Fizz@lemmy.nz 3 hours ago
Everyday up until it releases
ripcord@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Shat about after it releases? How will I know to keep not buying it?
KairuByte@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
Yes