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'Xbox Hardware Is Dead,' Says Founding Team Member, 'It Looks Like Xbox Has No Desire — Or Literally Can't — Ship Hardware Anymore' - IGN

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https://www.ign.com/articles/xbox-hardware-is-dead-says-founding-team-member-it-looks-like-xbox-has-no-desire-or-literally-cant-ship-hardware-anymore

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  • kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Part of the problem might be that I literally have no idea what their current console is called? Whoever was in charge of naming the last threeish xbox consoles should be fired out of a cannon

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    • VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They had all that free marketting from people assuming the third one would be the 720 and they ditched it in favor of calling it the Xbox One, which everyone was already using for the name of the first Xbox. Still baffled by that one.

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      • egrets@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I can’t think of a single company worse at naming products and services than Microsoft. They have an abysmal track record. Some examples off the top of my head, all of which make web searches near-impossible:

        • They renamed Office 365 to just “365” (and then “365 Copilot”). The mind boggles.
        • They named their light extensible code editor “Visual Studio Code”, despite the fact that they had a long-established IDE (for code) called “Visual Studio”.
        • They called their application framework “the .NET framework”.
        • They called the replacement framework “.NET Core”, and after a few major versions, changed to calling it “.NET”, but it’s totally distinct from the .NET framework.
        • They called their ninth major desktop operating system “Windows 7”, then followed up with “Windows 8” and… “Windows 10”.
        • Their web-powered replacement for Outlook is called “New Outlook”.
        • They recently renamed their Remote Desktop app “Windows App”. I have no words.
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    • blattrules@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yeah, totally agree on this. If you put the last two names in front of me and asked which was newer, I’d have no idea. The new one has multiple versions too so it makes it more confusing.

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    • krashmo@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I mean, after the 360 they had XXXbox sitting right there and they acted like they were too good for it. Prudes.

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      • MotoAsh@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s my sexbox and her name is Sony!

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    • yarr@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think It’s called Xbox Series 365 Office Copilot Pro+ for .NET

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Microsoft suck at naming things in general. It’s a problem across every single branch of the business, people keep calling Office 365 0365 because Microsoft insists on calling it O365 and people think that’s a zero. Also the name makes no sense anyway, why not call it Microsoft Office Online?

      Then we have Microsoft Azure, except they renamed that to Entra despite the fact that both names are stupid. Then of course there is the entirety of the Windows OS lineup.

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      • Jesus_666@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Entry isn’t Azure. Entra ID is what they renamed Azure Active Directory to. But not always; there’s also Azure Active Directory B2C (yes, that’s the fully expanded name). And various other Azure-branded things that may or may not belong together.

        Microsoft are spectacularly bad at naming things.

        It’s a miracle they haven’t renamed Windows 11 to “360 365” or “Live 6.5” or “Active-DOS Series X” or something.

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    • Venicon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Don’t know what you mean. Xbox, Xbox 360, Xbox One, Xbox One S, Xbox One X, Xbox Series S and Xbox Series X all make perfect sense and leave zero grounds for confusion at all

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      • Arello@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Lol, that has some pre-Switch Nintendo naming energy

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    • SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The current one is the Xbox Seriez Z4 pro classic

      Cmon keep up

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  • supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wait I thought stock buybacks and hollowing all our dedicated talent didn’t have consequences?

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    • lobut@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Was funny when they said they needed more original games like Hi Fi rush after firing the people that made Hi Fi rush.

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      • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        technicallythetruth

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      • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Everyone knows developers only have one good game in them.

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    • Aielman15@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The problem at this point is not so much that they don’t have games - they have released plenty in the past few years and most have been received positively.

      The problem is that they released those games too late, and by that point, the ship had already sailed. After a streak of disappointing years with the XOne, they needed strong titles to pair up with XSeries. Instead, they released jack shit for an entire year, and after that the disappointment just grew further with the likes of Halo Infinite, Starfield and the weird vampire game nobody asked for.

      By that point, everyone already got themselves a PS5, a Switch, a gaming PC or a handheld device. Xbox needed to show their fans they believed in their mission and were capable of delivering strong titles on their platform, but everyone saw their releases and said “Meh”.

      The strong titles eventually came, but by that point they had already decided to port them over to the competition to offset the cost, and everyone saw the writing was on the wall for the platform.

      Spencer can go on stage spewing whatever bullshit he wants, but nobody outside of the most diehard Xbox fans believe that the platform has a future - and it’s very hard to convince people to invest on your platform when it’s not certain how many more years it will be supported, and whether your store will remain accessible or shut down a few years down the line.

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      • DeathsEmbrace@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The PS5 killed Xbox for me.

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    • 332@feddit.nu ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Have you considered firing half the workforce and pushing AI harder? I think that might fix it.

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      • ICastFist@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        So, re-release Tay as a sex chatbot, got it, on it!

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  • simple@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    "And here's the thing — maybe it will work," she added. "Xbox has a deep portfolio. [Oblivion Remastered] was obviously a huge success, and they can continue to outsource that work to external companies and make a lot of money releasing their older games — older games from an era when Xbox knew how to build them."

    Shots fired. Despite Microsoft constantly claiming Xbox is here to stay and they're working on the next console, it's very clear they're trying to transition off hardware back into Windows so they don't lose that too since Linux is dominating the handheld market.

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    • riskable@programming.dev ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Microsoft is trying to make Xbox into Windows: Where 3rd parties make the hardware and then license the platform from Microsoft. It’s a vastly more profitable model. Especially if they get all those end users signed up for a subscription service.

      The problem is that the world thinks of “Xbox” as a console (and a specific kind of controller). To pull this off Microsoft is going to have to re-brand Xbox entirely by making people think of it more like a game-specific app store that runs on Windows and special handheld hardware. It won’t be easy.

      There’s a bigger problem with this plan though: No real coordination with the Windows OS team. Windows on handhelds sucks. The past twenty fucking years of Windows development has been almost entirely focused on improving enterprise features with very little attention paid to end users or gaming.

      Growth in Windows gaming has come despite Microsoft’s investments. Not because of them. In fact, I’d argue that if it weren’t for Steam, Windows—as a gaming platform—would be a fraction of what it is today.

      Don’t get me wrong, though! I love this new Xbox roadmap! Windows gaming has been holding back Linux desktop adoption for far too long. The latest benchmarks that show games on SteamOS vastly outperforming the new Xbox-branded handhelds pretty clearly demonstrates all that bashing of Windows by Linux nerds was deeply accurate.

      It turns out that Linux on the desktop really is superior! 🤣

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      • Psythik@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        So basically they’re trying to do what Trip Hawkins did with the 3DO in 1993. In order for that to work, you’re going to have to convince people to pay PC hardware prices first. Which won’t happen because 1. Third party manufacturers aren’t going to sell at a loss, and 2. Sony will continue to sell their consoles at a loss, which means everyone will just buy their consoles instead.

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    • Derpenheim@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      the xbone was the last console I bought. Soured the pot so bad on what I enjoyed about console gaming. I already had a PC, but still enjoyed the couch casual sessions that seemingly don’t exist, and haven’t for over a decade

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      • otacon239@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I’ve just had my gaming PC hooked up to my living room TV for the last several years. I have a lower power desktop on my room for anything that isn’t gaming. I can’t imagine buying one of the modern consoles just for their limitations alone.

        Plus I just wait a few years and 95% of the explained make their way to PC anyway.

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    • Baggie@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Funnily enough though they’re also potentially losing desktop users to Linux.

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  • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well, everyone say hello to the $1000 PlayStation 6.

    What’re you going to do, buy an Xbox? Build a PC with a GPU alone that costs almost the same?

    No Xbox means Somy gains a monopoly on the console market. Unless Nintendo decides to actually compete with regular hardware again, which they won’t.

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    • Havoc8154@mander.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Nah, I’ll just keep gaming on a cheap Linux PC and fuck ever buying a console again. Honestly at this point a 5 year old GPU gives you access to 99% of all games ever made, why spend so much to play 4 shitty ‘AAAA’ games a year?

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      • middlemouse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It sounds like your monitor sucks, if you’re wanting to play at 4k or high refresh you need to upgrade let alone if you want both of those things

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    • WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We passed the point of diminishing returns for graphics years ago. There’s no point in keeping up with the latest hardware anymore.

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    • Etterra@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      But consider… Steam Deck.

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    • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      What are you talking about you can buy the PC for less than the price of a PS5 and it will be better than the PS5. The advantage of gaming consoles has always been that it’s plug and play. You just turn it on and there you go.

      Sony aren’t going to create a revolutionary GPU that’s only available in the PS6. They might try and charge $1,000 for it but they will always be other options. Where do you think they get their components from? They don’t have their own fab.

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      • RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Look, I am still using a GTX 1080 Ti (GOATED GPU btw, best dollar per performance value probably ever) because GPUs are too expensive. $700 USD for a low-mid tier card, or $1000 for a card that should (and usually does) give good lasting value. I don’t see where anyone is buying a PC for less than $500 and it has better performance than a PAY, but I suppose it is possible this is a result of Price Discrimination, since I am in California.

        NVidia is showing what PlayStation will look like when it feels there is actually zero competition. Xbox, so long as its hardware exists, is a constant threat to PlayStation keeping a lot of things in check. Once Xbox completely disappears, PlayStation will have no competition. Then Sony can set the prices however they want and nobody can do anything about it.

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    • Baguette@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Steamdeck probably tbh if they don’t migrate to playstation

      Budget and fits the exact needs of xbox users

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    • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      PS XBOX and Nintendo are all in the same market, along with Steam, Epic, GOG, etc. The video gaming market. MS will probably still sell an “XBOX”, it just won’t be locked down to the XBOX game store anymore. This is a win for everyone.

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  • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Well yeah because they screwed up one of their main franchises. All they had to do was leave Budgie alone to make Halo games, but no.

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    • Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Bungie didnt want to make halo games anymore though

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      • Psythik@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Well too fucking bad, cause Halo is the only thing they’re good at. They should had sucked it up and kept iterating on Halo 3. That game was peak Halo.

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    • CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      They can just be another Sega.

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  • ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “There is literally no reason to buy this handheld,” Fryer opined of the ROG Xbox Ally. "

    You want access to games or services that are either better or only available on Windows without having to deal with the desktop Windows interface. That is literally the reason to buy it. Game Pass and popular live services can woo plenty of people over.

    Gotta say, from the few times I’ve come across her channel, she seems like a shit-stirrer, and right wing rage baiters seem to love quoting her.

    But what is the long-term plan?

    To transition to a world where “Xbox” is the brand slapped across Microsoft’s Windows gaming endeavors and they mostly serve as a Game Pass purveyor and the largest third party publisher by market cap.

    Where are the new hits?

    This one is really surprising as a question, because if you could will hits into existence, everyone would do it, but for a publisher of their size, they’re doing more in recent years to create new franchises than most, even if they then lay off the team behind Hi-Fi Rush. South of Midnight came out this year; Outer Worlds 2, Avowed, and Grounded all came out of Obsidian as well as the much smaller Pentiment; and Clockwork Revolution got a sizable demo on display just this summer.

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    • atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That Xbox would become Microsoft’s Steam has been the prevailing prediction for the better part of 10 years. I am immediately dubious of anybody who’s opinion is that a more capable than the Xbox device (as far as availability of games) has no reason to be purchased.

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    • Havoc8154@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You want access to games or services that are either better or only available on Windows without having to deal with the desktop Windows interface. That is literally the reason to buy it. Game Pass and popular live services can woo plenty of people over.

      What would that be exactly? Gamepass already works great on linux, it’s a better experience on my steam deck than fighting with my windows laptop.

      It seems like the main audience is people who are scared of Linux and just don’t want to learn something new.

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      • ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        You can download Game Pass games and play them on SteamOS? News to me, even after a quick web search to verify it. Streaming is a poor substitute.

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  • masterspace@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    F tier click bait. Literally nothing informative was said in here.

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  • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Why should they be focused on it? Xbox is now just a slimmed down Windows pc. You can play the exact same games on a pc, with access to the same storefront.

    What’s the problem exactly?

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    • frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Microsoft’s original plan was to own the living room the way they own the office space. Not just gaming, but all your movies, TV, shopping, etc. could be done through the XBox.

      Kinect was a particularly big jump in that regard. There were demos of AR-type stuff where you could see yourself wearing clothes you might want to buy. You could move around and the clothes on screen would move with your body. There’s some promo videos of that, but nothing concrete ever came of it.

      Now they have slagging sales for two generations, and a AAA industry that struggles to make a real hit and is laying off a lot of people. They can’t even hold onto the core gaming market much less get their tendrils into the rest of the living room. They then release a handheld that’s basically an upgrade of an existing handheld that wasn’t selling very well, but now with XBox branding.

      Is this a problem for the rest of us? No, not really. There’s plenty of alternatives, and we don’t need to care. Is this the result the money people at Microsoft envisioned when they started this ~25 years ago? No, not at all.

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      • rumba@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        For wanting to own the living room, they never tried particularly hard. PS3 was a damned successful blueray player. They just needed to give you a nice, curated experience and ease of use. There were literally people buying PS3’s because they were cheaper than blueray players at the time

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      • surph_ninja@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The end goal of all of that is to sell software. If they can do that without supporting a massive pipeline for selling custom hardware, that makes sense.

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  • ter_maxima@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    While this is bad for the market, it’s also entirely expected.

    Xbox have been producing sub-par hardware with names no one can remember and barely any exclusives, it was only a matter of time.

    To other Europeans : do you know anyone who owns an Xbox ? I’ve only ever had one single friend in middle school who had a 360. I’ve never seen any other model outside of an electronics store.

    Their current gen is hamstrung by the existence of the Series S, and the utter lack of features in their controllers (no gyroscope or any motion sensors ? No advanced rumble ? No touchpad ?). No one who is serious about controller gaming buys an Xbox controller, especially because of the lack of gyro.

    Their dedication to digital-only and pushing the games pass also alienates anyone who wishes to play physical games and/or offline.

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    • Croquette@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I think that xbox controller are the best controllers for PC, so I don’t need all the advanced features, but otherwise, you are right.

      Their market is now clearly gamepass + Windows. Microsoft is banking on their market share to sell gamepass and capture the market.

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    • smeg@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      In the uk I remember the 360 being huge and nobody having a ps3, but now I’m not sure I know a single person who bought an xb1 or whatever the current one is called.

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      • echodot@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        360 was a big hit because everyone wanted to play halo. Honestly outside of that I don’t think there was any other exclusives. At least none that I can remember

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    • Natanael@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      OTOH I only have a PS5 because of Sony’s marketing budget, lol (non-slim version included with a Sony phone on contract, so technically also a way for them to clear stock, lmao)

      But yeah, I don’t know any people with a recent Xbox here in Sweden. In the original Xbox era and the 360 era I think they had a big lead here, but after that I’ve seen much more Sony represented.

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    • Krompus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I bought an Xbox Series controller and I was shocked by how shitty it is, especially compared to the wired 360 controller I had for years. Bought a DualSense and it’s so much better in every way.

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      • BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        this is surprising to me i think the series controller is the best controller ever made. well i have a starfield one its slightly smaller and has a fun texture on the back

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    • SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I have a 360, which is the xbox 2

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      • a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        i have it too, and i used it a lot, but most people i knew at that time went for Sony

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    • trigonated@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      To other Europeans : do you know anyone who owns an Xbox ? I’ve only ever had one single friend in middle school who had a 360. I’ve never seen any other model outside of an electronics store.

      Barely, lol. Knew 1 person who had an og Xbox and 1 who had a 360. Newer than that, nope.

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  • Buelldozer@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    With the rise of game streaming services like Xbox Cloud Gaming and Amazon Luna I predict that the console market is basically over. I honestly don’t expect Microsoft to release another console and if Sony does it’s almost certain to be the last. Nintendo may stick with it longer since they just released the Switch2 but they seem to be prepping for it with the digital key thing.

    It sucks for the players but it makes fiscal sense for the Publishers and Console Makers (Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo) if there is an industry wide pivot to game streaming where players are required to pay every month. I know that some games don’t lend themselves well to this, yet, but it’s blatantly obvious (at least to me) that this is where the industry is headed.

    We’ve already reached the end of “Console Exclusive” games and I think what comes next is “Streaming Platform Exclusive” games. I think what comes after that is the Publishers establishing their own Streaming Platforms for their own games.

    This is precisely what has happened with the rest of the entertainment industry and there’s no reason I can see for gaming, which is a subset of that same industry, to do anything else now that the streaming technology exists.

    Steam and GOG will end up pushed out of the market or they will also become Streaming Platforms, just ones that cater to a different set of players.

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    • ampersandrew@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Streaming has plateaued, and I don’t see anyone overcoming that plateau. The console market is coming to an end, but the transition is to PC gaming, not streaming, and we can measure that.

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      • TwinTitans@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        “Console gaming is coming to an end”

        Yeah, if your XBOX.

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  • zod000@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I just assumed they hired the same person that was previously in charge of naming Street Fighter games from Capcom. I was sure the next Xbox would be named something like Xbox X 360 Series X Alpha Championship Edition with Hyper Fighting

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  • Ulrich@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m sure they can but I think they also see the growth in the PC gaming industry as a potential opportunity to capitalize with “XBOX OS”.

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  • TwinTitans@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I feel her pain. Seamus blackly and Jay Allard probably feel the same.

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  • teamevil@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Makes sense honestly. I am incredibly underwhelmed with my series x.

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  • ieatpwns@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Waiting for xsx to go on clearance

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  • network_switch@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’ve watched a video of hers before. My takeaway was that Microsoft is a heavily bloated company that suffocates internal development but with the OG Xbox and early 360, they were like a side bet that didn’t have a great deal of oversight from MS Windows/Office/Server mega money eyes.

    They didn’t have a great deal of internal dev studios but they were really good at identifying third party exclusives to pursue and early on managed them and the few studios they did fully acquire well. It worked well for the first Xbox and first half 360. It differentiated the Xbox/360 from Nintendo and Playstation

    Then I guess success led to changes in leadership aimed at growth and using Xbox as a platform to push more MS services and they lost the focus and ability to identify and secure great third party exclusives. That coupled with not having internal game dev teams in numbers and experience like Nintendo and Sony meant if they didn’t hit with their living room smart device dominance ambition, they’d just have a worse PlayStation. That’s what they ended up with with the XOne - a worse PS4. Then it happened again with the XSX because of lack of execution with their internal studios. An XSX just became a PS5-lite library-wise

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  • kandoh@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Yeah, they think the Internet will get so quick that people will just stream every game from the cloud from any device and they want to be the leader of that.

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  • thatradomguy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I’m all for Asus handheld becoming the future of Windows for consumer. Have little interest now in keeping it as a personal PC. Linux is the way now thanks to them force feeding Copilot and screen grabber.

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  • RadioFreeArabia@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What will happen to the games library? If only the ROG Xbox Ally can play Xbox Series X|S games…

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