Part of the problem might be that I literally have no idea what their current console is called? Whoever was in charge of naming the last threeish xbox consoles should be fired out of a cannon
'Xbox Hardware Is Dead,' Says Founding Team Member, 'It Looks Like Xbox Has No Desire — Or Literally Can't — Ship Hardware Anymore' - IGN
Submitted 12 hours ago by simple@piefed.social to games@lemmy.world
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kayzeekayzee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 hours ago
VindictiveJudge@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
They had all that free marketting from people assuming the third one would be the 720 and they ditched it in favor of calling it the Xbox One, which everyone was already using for the name of the first Xbox. Still baffled by that one.
egrets@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I can’t think of a single company worse at naming products and services than Microsoft. They have an abysmal track record. Some examples off the top of my head, all of which make web searches near-impossible:
- They renamed Office 365 to just “365” (and then “365 Copilot”). The mind boggles.
- They named their light extensible code editor “Visual Studio Code”, despite the fact that they had a long-established IDE (for code) called “Visual Studio”.
- They called their application framework “the .NET framework”.
- They called the replacement framework “.NET Core”, and after a few major versions, changed to calling it “.NET”, but it’s totally distinct from the .NET framework.
- They called their ninth major desktop operating system “Windows 7”, then followed up with “Windows 8” and… “Windows 10”.
- Their web-powered replacement for Outlook is called “New Outlook”.
- They recently renamed their Remote Desktop app “Windows App”. I have no words.
echodot@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
Microsoft suck at naming things in general. It’s a problem across every single branch of the business, people keep calling Office 365 0365 because Microsoft insists on calling it O365 and people think that’s a zero. Also the name makes no sense anyway, why not call it Microsoft Office Online?
Then we have Microsoft Azure, except they renamed that to Entra despite the fact that both names are stupid. Then of course there is the entirety of the Windows OS lineup.
Jesus_666@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Entry isn’t Azure. Entra ID is what they renamed Azure Active Directory to. But not always; there’s also Azure Active Directory B2C (yes, that’s the fully expanded name). And various other Azure-branded things that may or may not belong together.
Microsoft are spectacularly bad at naming things.
It’s a miracle they haven’t renamed Windows 11 to “360 365” or “Live 6.5” or “Active-DOS Series X” or something.
blattrules@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Yeah, totally agree on this. If you put the last two names in front of me and asked which was newer, I’d have no idea. The new one has multiple versions too so it makes it more confusing.
krashmo@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I mean, after the 360 they had XXXbox sitting right there and they acted like they were too good for it. Prudes.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
It’s my sexbox and her name is Sony!
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The current one is the Xbox Seriez Z4 pro classic
Cmon keep up
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 12 hours ago
Wait I thought stock buybacks and hollowing all our dedicated talent didn’t have consequences?
lobut@lemmy.ca 11 hours ago
Was funny when they said they needed more original games like Hi Fi rush after firing the people that made Hi Fi rush.
echodot@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
Everyone knows developers only have one good game in them.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
technicallythetruth
332@feddit.nu 9 hours ago
Have you considered firing half the workforce and pushing AI harder? I think that might fix it.
ICastFist@programming.dev 8 hours ago
So, re-release Tay as a sex chatbot, got it, on it!
Aielman15@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
The problem at this point is not so much that they don’t have games - they have released plenty in the past few years and most have been received positively.
The problem is that they released those games too late, and by that point, the ship had already sailed. After a streak of disappointing years with the XOne, they needed strong titles to pair up with XSeries. Instead, they released jack shit for an entire year, and after that the disappointment just grew further with the likes of Halo Infinite, Starfield and the weird vampire game nobody asked for.
By that point, everyone already got themselves a PS5, a Switch, a gaming PC or a handheld device. Xbox needed to show their fans they believed in their mission and were capable of delivering strong titles on their platform, but everyone saw their releases and said “Meh”.
The strong titles eventually came, but by that point they had already decided to port them over to the competition to offset the cost, and everyone saw the writing was on the wall for the platform.
Spencer can go on stage spewing whatever bullshit he wants, but nobody outside of the most diehard Xbox fans believe that the platform has a future - and it’s very hard to convince people to invest on your platform when it’s not certain how many more years it will be supported, and whether your store will remain accessible or shut down a few years down the line.
echodot@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
Well yeah because they screwed up one of their main franchises. All they had to do was leave Budgie alone to make Halo games, but no.
CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
They can just be another Sega.
Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Bungie didnt want to make halo games anymore though
Psythik@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Well too fucking bad, cause Halo is the only thing they’re good at. They should had sucked it up and kept iterating on Halo 3. That game was peak Halo.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Well, everyone say hello to the $1000 PlayStation 6.
What’re you going to do, buy an Xbox? Build a PC with a GPU alone that costs almost the same?
No Xbox means Somy gains a monopoly on the console market. Unless Nintendo decides to actually compete with regular hardware again, which they won’t.
Ulrich@feddit.org 1 hour ago
PS XBOX and Nintendo are all in the same market, along with Steam, Epic, GOG, etc. The video gaming market. MS will probably still sell an “XBOX”, it just won’t be locked down to the XBOX game store anymore. This is a win for everyone.
Havoc8154@mander.xyz 6 hours ago
Nah, I’ll just keep gaming on a cheap Linux PC and fuck ever buying a console again. Honestly at this point a 5 year old GPU gives you access to 99% of all games ever made, why spend so much to play 4 shitty ‘AAAA’ games a year?
middlemouse@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
It sounds like your monitor sucks, if you’re wanting to play at 4k or high refresh you need to upgrade let alone if you want both of those things
echodot@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
What are you talking about you can buy the PC for less than the price of a PS5 and it will be better than the PS5. The advantage of gaming consoles has always been that it’s plug and play. You just turn it on and there you go.
Sony aren’t going to create a revolutionary GPU that’s only available in the PS6. They might try and charge $1,000 for it but they will always be other options. Where do you think they get their components from? They don’t have their own fab.
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Look, I am still using a GTX 1080 Ti (GOATED GPU btw, best dollar per performance value probably ever) because GPUs are too expensive. $700 USD for a low-mid tier card, or $1000 for a card that should (and usually does) give good lasting value. I don’t see where anyone is buying a PC for less than $500 and it has better performance than a PAY, but I suppose it is possible this is a result of Price Discrimination, since I am in California.
NVidia is showing what PlayStation will look like when it feels there is actually zero competition. Xbox, so long as its hardware exists, is a constant threat to PlayStation keeping a lot of things in check. Once Xbox completely disappears, PlayStation will have no competition. Then Sony can set the prices however they want and nobody can do anything about it.
simple@piefed.social 12 hours ago
"And here's the thing — maybe it will work," she added. "Xbox has a deep portfolio. [Oblivion Remastered] was obviously a huge success, and they can continue to outsource that work to external companies and make a lot of money releasing their older games — older games from an era when Xbox knew how to build them."
Shots fired. Despite Microsoft constantly claiming Xbox is here to stay and they're working on the next console, it's very clear they're trying to transition off hardware back into Windows so they don't lose that too since Linux is dominating the handheld market.
riskable@programming.dev 10 hours ago
Microsoft is trying to make Xbox into Windows: Where 3rd parties make the hardware and then license the platform from Microsoft. It’s a vastly more profitable model. Especially if they get all those end users signed up for a subscription service.
The problem is that the world thinks of “Xbox” as a console (and a specific kind of controller). To pull this off Microsoft is going to have to re-brand Xbox entirely by making people think of it more like a game-specific app store that runs on Windows and special handheld hardware. It won’t be easy.
There’s a bigger problem with this plan though: No real coordination with the Windows OS team. Windows on handhelds sucks. The past twenty fucking years of Windows development has been almost entirely focused on improving enterprise features with very little attention paid to end users or gaming.
Growth in Windows gaming has come despite Microsoft’s investments. Not because of them. In fact, I’d argue that if it weren’t for Steam, Windows—as a gaming platform—would be a fraction of what it is today.
Don’t get me wrong, though! I love this new Xbox roadmap! Windows gaming has been holding back Linux desktop adoption for far too long. The latest benchmarks that show games on SteamOS vastly outperforming the new Xbox-branded handhelds pretty clearly demonstrates all that bashing of Windows by Linux nerds was deeply accurate.
It turns out that Linux on the desktop really is superior! 🤣
Psythik@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
So basically they’re trying to do what Trip Hawkins did with the 3DO in 1993. In order for that to work, you’re going to have to convince people to pay PC hardware prices first. Which won’t happen because 1. Third party manufacturers aren’t going to sell at a loss, and 2. Sony will continue to sell their consoles at a loss, which means everyone will just buy their consoles instead.
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 12 hours ago
the xbone was the last console I bought. Soured the pot so bad on what I enjoyed about console gaming. I already had a PC, but still enjoyed the couch casual sessions that seemingly don’t exist, and haven’t for over a decade
otacon239@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I’ve just had my gaming PC hooked up to my living room TV for the last several years. I have a lower power desktop on my room for anything that isn’t gaming. I can’t imagine buying one of the modern consoles just for their limitations alone.
Plus I just wait a few years and 95% of the explained make their way to PC anyway.
Buelldozer@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
With the rise of game streaming services like Xbox Cloud Gaming and Amazon Luna I predict that the console market is basically over. I honestly don’t expect Microsoft to release another console and if Sony does it’s almost certain to be the last. Nintendo may stick with it longer since they just released the Switch2 but they seem to be prepping for it with the digital key thing.
It sucks for the players but it makes fiscal sense for the Publishers and Console Makers (Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo) if there is an industry wide pivot to game streaming where players are required to pay every month. I know that some games don’t lend themselves well to this, yet, but it’s blatantly obvious (at least to me) that this is where the industry is headed.
We’ve already reached the end of “Console Exclusive” games and I think what comes next is “Streaming Platform Exclusive” games. I think what comes after that is the Publishers establishing their own Streaming Platforms for their own games.
This is precisely what has happened with the rest of the entertainment industry and there’s no reason I can see for gaming, which is a subset of that same industry, to do anything else now that the streaming technology exists.
Steam and GOG will end up pushed out of the market or they will also become Streaming Platforms, just ones that cater to a different set of players.
pivot_root@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Steam will end up pushed out of the market
This has been explicitly attempted 3 times already, and that really didn’t work out well for anybody who tried it.
Epic Games Store still resorts to bribing people with free games to keep their monthly active user numbers up, hemorrhaging money to attract users who are rarely interested in anything more than freebies.
EA and Ubisoft tried to forgo Steam releases in favor of their own stores and launchers in an attempt to keep 100% of the revenue. They eventually relented, releasing their games on Steam again. Even Blizzard joined in, adding Diablo 4 and Overwatch 2 to Steam.
And Microsoft’s attempt to dethrone Steam by releasing games through the Windows app store just ended up with Valve funneling considerable resources into helping Linux and WINE become a viable alternative to Windows for gaming.
Unless Valve enshittifies or legal shenanigans ensue, they’re pretty unlikely to be pushed out of the market. No single game or game series is good enough to capture the entire market of Steam users and permanently drive them to alternative platforms. On top of that, Steam has a huge following of users who are loyal to the company, which is both insane and insanely hard to compete against.
or they will also become Streaming Platforms
Maybe, maybe not. I don’t see it happening, though. Valve makes money hand over fist from digital sales alone, and they have more to lose in pissing off their customers by selling subscriptions than they have to gain by selling subscriptions.
I am concerned about GOG and PC hardware prices, though.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
Streaming has plateaued, and I don’t see anyone overcoming that plateau. The console market is coming to an end, but the transition is to PC gaming, not streaming, and we can measure that.
echodot@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
I can’t see streaming games being anything other than a niche market. It puts the burden onto the streamer, in order to be competitive they look after constantly be upgrading their offering, they will have to have multiple server centres around the world, they will always be beholden to crappy ISPs who just don’t upgrade their infrastructure.
With local hardware you shortcut all of that, upgrading of your hardware is done by the user so they’re not going to complain if it’s out of date, you don’t have to have any server centres, and the ISP issues either don’t matter for single player games that were massively reduced for multiplayer games, now they don’t actually have to send video over the connection. .
masterspace@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
F tier click bait. Literally nothing informative was said in here.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
“There is literally no reason to buy this handheld,” Fryer opined of the ROG Xbox Ally. "
You want access to games or services that are either better or only available on Windows without having to deal with the desktop Windows interface. That is literally the reason to buy it. Game Pass and popular live services can woo plenty of people over.
Gotta say, from the few times I’ve come across her channel, she seems like a shit-stirrer, and right wing rage baiters seem to love quoting her.
But what is the long-term plan?
To transition to a world where “Xbox” is the brand slapped across Microsoft’s Windows gaming endeavors and they mostly serve as a Game Pass purveyor and the largest third party publisher by market cap.
Where are the new hits?
This one is really surprising as a question, because if you could will hits into existence, everyone would do it, but for a publisher of their size, they’re doing more in recent years to create new franchises than most, even if they then lay off the team behind Hi-Fi Rush. South of Midnight came out this year; Outer Worlds 2, Avowed, and Grounded all came out of Obsidian as well as the much smaller Pentiment; and Clockwork Revolution got a sizable demo on display just this summer.
atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
That Xbox would become Microsoft’s Steam has been the prevailing prediction for the better part of 10 years. I am immediately dubious of anybody who’s opinion is that a more capable than the Xbox device (as far as availability of games) has no reason to be purchased.
Havoc8154@mander.xyz 5 hours ago
You want access to games or services that are either better or only available on Windows without having to deal with the desktop Windows interface. That is literally the reason to buy it. Game Pass and popular live services can woo plenty of people over.
What would that be exactly? Gamepass already works great on linux, it’s a better experience on my steam deck than fighting with my windows laptop.
It seems like the main audience is people who are scared of Linux and just don’t want to learn something new.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
You can download Game Pass games and play them on SteamOS? News to me, even after a quick web search to verify it. Streaming is a poor substitute.
Ulrich@feddit.org 8 hours ago
I’m sure they can but I think they also see the growth in the PC gaming industry as a potential opportunity to capitalize with “XBOX OS”.
rdri@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
With “optimized for gaming” premise? That’s obviously nothing more than “hey we decided to allow you to terminate resource hungry explorer/copilot/edge when you play”.
Ulrich@feddit.org 1 hour ago
Correct.
zod000@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
I just assumed they hired the same person that was previously in charge of naming Street Fighter games from Capcom. I was sure the next Xbox would be named something like Xbox X 360 Series X Alpha Championship Edition with Hyper Fighting
ICastFist@programming.dev 8 hours ago
That’d still be better than Xbox S, Xbox Series X, Xbox One S
echodot@feddit.uk 6 hours ago
I literally have no idea what generation of console any of those names are from.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
Super Xbox X 360 Series X Alpha Championship Edition with Hyper Fighting EX Plus Turbo & Knuckles
teamevil@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Makes sense honestly. I am incredibly underwhelmed with my series x.
ieatpwns@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Waiting for xsx to go on clearance
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
I feel her pain. Seamus blackly and Jay Allard probably feel the same.