All this produce is going to spoil at the food bank where I volunteer

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• oz1sej@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Seldom have I seen a better example of why universal basic income is so preferable to food banks.

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  • MacNCheezus@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Please explain how that would solve the issue of people not wanting to eat their vegetables.

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    • cooopsspace@infosec.pub ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Missed the mark here of course.

      People should be able to buy what they need, not be at the whims of what a capitalist entity dumps in a food bank.

      Not everyone has the ability to store, prepare or even cook vegetables. Due to lack of utensils, food storage or even something to heat with. For many, vegetables would just be a liability and force you to choose between other necessities.

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    • Initiateofthevoid@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      OP (this dickhead):

      Have you considered giving it away to your neighbors?

      OOP:

      If we could simply give it to anyone we would not be in this situation

      They can’t give it away. There are unfortunately rules. If they were caught doing so, they would no longer be giving it out to anyone. This is, again, why basic income would be better than food banks.

      Not to mention the fact that plenty of people aren’t starving today, but will be starving in the next week or two, after this very perishable food is spoiled.

      Why are you like this? Are you having fun mocking the impoverished?

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    • burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      i cast ten thousand watermelons falling on top of you

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  • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Except for the fact that a lot of these people aren’t capable of managing money.

    They are on the street because they have serious issues

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    • Rivalarrival@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Turns out that money is one of those things that the less you have of it, the harder it is to manage.

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    • SereneSadie@lemmy.myserv.one ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      And who’s supporting them?

      Clearly not you.

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    • cenzorrll@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yeah, but the crux of it would probably lie in the fact that they’ve never had money to manage. From what I’ve seen, everyone mismanages their money. If we had basic income, I would guess 90%+ would eventually get their shit together. 10 people needing food because they can’t manage money is better than 100 people needing food because they don’t have money.

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    • CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yeah, some of them need assisted living as well.

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• bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Also: Where is this? It’s a small world, some Lemming might pick up a cauliflower or two.

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  • nokturne213@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Rural nm

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    • socphoenix@midwest.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      For the tomatoes you might see if there’s canning groups on Facebook for your area? It takes a metric fuck-ton of tomatoes to make a can of sauce so they’d likely be able to use quite a bit of them.

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    • bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I take it “nm” stands for New Mexico. What’s the weather like there? Sun-drying might be an option, at least dried tomatoes are something people buy.

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    • DharmaCurious@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Facebook canning groups are a great idea, as someone else mentioned. Them little old ladies can do pretty amazing things on short notice. Can I suggest hitting up local churches? The methodists, Episcopal and baptists are all particularly fond of doing drives and such, and may be able to do an impromptu canning drive for y’all

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    • Honytawk@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Where in North Madagascar?

      Madagascar is pretty big.

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    • grue@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      How rural? I found a Sikh temple north of Santa Fe that could maybe use it for their langar.

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    • Cenzorrll@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      If you’re nearish ABQ, I’ve got a pickup I’m happy to help transport with. I unfortunately don’t think I’m in the list of approved people, otherwise I’d be more than happy to take as many of those tomatoes as I could

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    • blindbunny@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Outside abq? If it’s near abq I’ll come get it

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  • Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    This same thing plays out at many major food banks countrywide.

    Find out where the manufacturer’s warehouses and production plants actually are, and the nearest large food banks will be the recipients of their trash.

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• TOModera@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  At the food bank where my mother works, she finds pig farmers are a good source to get rid of almost gone food. While it’s not solving the feeding people part, it does help with disposal. Good luck, hopefully you can pickle some of it too.

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• Etterra@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  American Charity*

  *Terms and conditions apply

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  • whaleross@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    For the company it is a tax write off and getting rid of their surplus. They don’t care what happens next.

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      It does help food banks significantly. I’m not complaining

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    • Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Tax write off of retail value, instead of tax write off of actual cost. I wouldn’t be surprised if the writeoff is net zero for them from retail value.

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  • TargaryenTKE@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    America has always been a place where transactions matter more than people. At least, it has been that way ever since European discovery. Native Americans were nowhere near this inhumane

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    • SabinStargem@lemmy.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      The victims of the Aztecs would beg to differ. Lots of people were fed to the sun god, to quench its thirst for blood, all to delay Armageddon. Like any other continent, Native America had genocidal maniacs and the Five Nations that resembled a federation. Good and Evil has no homeland, just the feelings that grow inside of people.

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• JoeBidet@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  pickle pickle pickle!

  2% salted water brine, spices, glass weights to maintain under water in not-too-tight closed jars with co2 escape. keep at room temperature, and here you go!

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  • Vreyan31@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The jars likely cost more than the volume of produce it could store.

    Also - have to arrange logistics for labor, supplies, and a kitchen to do the boiling in. Now that you are making a cooked food product, your kitchen also likely needs a license.

    And insurance in case your rushed pickling operation creates any jars that go foul and anyone gets sick.

    Also – ew. Not even the destitute want pickled cauliflower.

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    • NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      I was nodding along until

      Not even the destitute want pickled cauliflower.

      It’s great!

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    • turtlesareneat@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Yep food pantries will repackage food but rarely process or cook it because that’s a whole different animal.

      But, many food pantries I’ve worked with had ways to offload large amounts of things creatively, it’s how I got the best pear gelato I’ve ever had in my life.

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    • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Use 20L food safe buckets.

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    • possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Pickeled cauliflower sounds so incredibly bad

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    • tartarin@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      You need to teach people how to do it themselves instead. They can do it in small groups helping each other making the event more joyful.

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• Worstdriver@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I’m one of the returns clerks in a Costco. First thing we do every morning is process stuff to send the food bank. It irks me how much stuff we aren’t allowed to send because the manufacturer won’t allow it. Even despite that we send a lot every day. Everything that does spoil at the food bank goes to a local pig farm, who donates pig products back to the food bank whenever he can.

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  • nokturne213@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    We are trying to find one place that will consistently take our spoilage.

    We get a lot of expired stuff from Walmart and the grocery store in town. But Walmart takes forever to get it to us. Usually when we get it, it is a week expired. Where the grocery store we get it a day or two before it actually expires.

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  • Pothetato@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Thank you pigs! Also compost piles.

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  • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    yet another reason to really dig costco. huzzah, respect

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  • GroundedGator@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It irks me how much stuff we aren’t allowed to send because the manufacturer won’t allow it.

    Name and shame. This is such bullshit. I’m sure it’s some to protect brand value, but IMO you earn more value through kindness and generosity.

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    • Worstdriver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Well, all the Nestle stuff gets sent back to them. Pretty much all the big name cereal outfits have orders that damaged products are to be sent to a salvage company.

      Happily most cheese and sliced meats can be donated, plus we generally send 8-10 shopping carts of baked goods and produce directly from us to them every day

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• bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  If I were in that situation, I would try quickly whipping up some homemade posters and put them at our market square, maybe in front of schools, and in front of grocery stores. I would make sure to specify why these are given away, otherwise people might be suspicious.

  That would probably illegal, but …well… who’s going to sue a food bank over hanging a few posters for 2 days?

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  • crank0271@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    In the US? Where we pour bleach on food that has been discarded to make sure that someone who is hungry can’t eat it?

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    • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Where we pour bleach on food that has been discarded to make sure that someone who is hungry can’t eat it?

      What the fuck? Seriously?

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  • Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’m sure there will be people salivating at the opportunity.

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    • bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Well, I commented that before I learned that OP is in New Mexico.

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• Kekzkrieger@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Tomatoes, dont need any cooling, storing them in the fridge does prolongs their live but they taste like shit afterwards.

  Greetings from a German Italian who cries often when people put tomatoes in fridges.

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  • nokturne213@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    The ones I took home on Wednesday were moldy and a mess Friday evening when I got home from work.

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  • person420@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    As an Italian American I would have so much fun jarring all those tomatoes into sauce.

    Just waiting a couple more weeks for my step-dad to harvest all his tomatoes so the fun can begin.

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  • bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Don’t they get their taste back when they reach room temperature again?

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    • SpacetimeMachine@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Afaik they don’t. Something about storing them at low temp changes the thickness of the skin. At least that’s what I’ve been told working on produce.

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• Jankatarch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I am working at an Amazon company’s warehouse that specifically stores food items.

  The amount of shit we throw in trash just because “packaging is slightly off” makes me angry and just one day of bad management spoils enough food to feed entire family.

  There is no air conditioning or fridge. It’s summer in Texas so if we delay a single day, half the items go bad. There are dairy products here. (And people with heatstroke but that’s another topic.)

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  • Goodmorningsunshine@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    That’s fucking crazy and frankly also what I expected/why I would never order perishables from Amazon. Of fucking course they neither store it properly nor even keep the facility cool.

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    • Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Amazon perishables are mostly whole foods. The UNFI cyberattack is going to cause likely hundreds of tons of spoiled product nationwide as they have no idea where to ship anything, and the production line doesn’t just stop having fresh product to process.

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• scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I wonder if your good bank can set up some kind of relationship with farms in your region. Those farms may be open to taking lots of spoiled produce as animal feed and compost material. In exchange they might share their crops with you.

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• andybytes@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  It’s not the bureaucracy. It’s the capitalist that run the bureaucracy. In a society like this, it’s all about managing perception. It’s all about your brand. It’s about looking good and not doing good. As things start to centralize further and further, you’ll see what this is all about. In my town we have hoovervills. The homeless are there to remind you to work harder, or you’ll become homeless. Working inside the system will not work. Capitalism in the US Empire need overthrown.

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  • Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    The branding is one aspect, they definitely publicize the food bank donations and it’s often one of the few things food manufacturers do that sounds good. The rest is just profit and employing mass contract labor at near minimum wage.

    If they threw out thousands of pounds of product it would look like a bad number if publicized… if they donate ten thousand pounds of tomatoes a couple days before they go bad they get to look like they donated ten thousand pounds of tomatoes in value, and then they get to write that off as a donation.

    I’m pretty sure when they do said “donations” they get to write off the retail value, whereas if they just wrote it off as a loss to the business it would only be the actual cost.

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• Blackmist@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Not being funny, but what the fuck is a homeless person going to do with a raw cauliflower?

  I often see carrier bags of dry pasta, tinned tomatoes and stuff just dumped at the roadside, because the person they’d given it to has no way of doing anything with it. Apparently they’re supposed to give only food they can prepare, but that clearly doesn’t always happen.

  Food waste is part of the system. It’s fine. It’s what stops a shortage from becoming a famine.

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  • nokturne213@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Not everyone who comes through the food bank is homeless.

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  • falcunculus@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    I’m unsure I get your point, how does waste prevent a shortage from becoming a famine ?

    Also, both raw cauliflower and tinned tomatoes can be eaten almost as is.

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    • exasperation@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      how does waste prevent a shortage from becoming a famine ?

      Making the expected production a higher number than the expected need will give the headroom necessary to deal with a shortage without people starving.

      If you’re aiming to produce food for a population of 100,000, but have the capacity to make food for 200,000, then you can afford to waste half of your food without starvation. You can also accommodate a 50% drop in production without starvation.

      So that buffer is expected waste, but it’s also starvation resistance.

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• Pnut@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  There isn’t a food shortage. There are significant problems of wastage created by marketing value and poor distribution. Many solutions have been brought up over the years. To deaf ears. Because your local grocer needs to put 1000 tomatoes out to mostly rot because it looks aesthetically pleasing.

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  • outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Okay but to be fair it’s very pretty

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• starlinguk@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Do you have a Sikh temple nearby? They cook for the community.

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• bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  I take it the most pressing issue right now is cooling. If that is right, you might have yet another avenue to explore: Ask facilities with cooling needs if you can store one or two pallets there. I’m thinking schools, (yet again) restaurants, ice cream parlors, ice skating rinks (not sure how they work exactly – is the whole building cooled or just the rink itself?), butchers. You could ask an outdoor gear shop (I mean a place where skis and winter jackets etc. are sold) if they know of a place where one can test jackets. They might know a cool place, too.

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• Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Silly idle thought (for real): Suppose in a situation like this, particularly if people complain on the internet drawing attention to the fact that there’s 1000s of pounds of produce in a space that likely doesn’t have funding for strong security measures, a group of interested parties brought some trucks and took it without explicit permission or consent from the organization.

  What’s the impact to the org in situations where this isn’t given away to unauthorized parties, but gets stolen instead?

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  • nokturne213@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I am in contact with someone now that may be facilitating something along these lines. Not to the extent with which you propose, but I am working on something.

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    • Cracks_InTheWalls@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Fair enough - glad you’re trying something to address this lot! Believe it or not, did actually mean this as a ‘what if/what are the ramifications for orgs like this if that happened’, but probably best not to entertain that yourself at the moment.

      As a total aside, good song to keep spirits up today might be The Last Saskatchewan Pirate by Captain Tractor - very last line before final chorus is relevant :)

      Good luck with what you’re doing!

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• Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  They do this because they can write off the “donation” (e.g. garbage disposal)

  All of this produce was going to go bad, they know what date it’s going bad, but they overproduce or customers cancelled orders or under ordered.

  UNFI, the massive breached company, is going to have this same thing play out across the board from product wasting away in their warehouse.

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• match@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  it would be kinda cool if food panties could also pickle + can things

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  • baggachipz@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    food panties

    grins in dog

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  • Guntrigger@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Mmm pantie pickle

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    • match@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      🤤

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  • And009@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Is that beet… No Mike, it’s cucumber!

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• scarabic@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  My workplace used to donate all its leftover food to a local meal service charity, daily. But they refused to take fresh fruits and vegetables because they just spoil too fast. It was sad because those are the foods people need the most but they are logistically very difficult to deliver, as you are witnessing.

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• blindbunny@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Contract mutual aid orgs they well come get it

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• CanadaPlus@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  We are not allowed to simply give it out to anyone. This is not like a church pantry where all of the food is donated by the community and’s parishioners. There is government funding, as well as private businesses, which I am guessing get their money back from the government for funding this. If we could simply give it to anyone we would not be in this situation.

  Yep. That’s really dumb. When people talk about government inefficiency, this is what they mean.

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• BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  GOOD! Spending money on that is SOCIALISM! Is would MUCH Rather my Tax Dollars go into Elon Musks BANK ACCOUNT!

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• bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  For the watermelons you might try to contact a local vintner. They may be able to process them into wine and/or liquor.

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  • LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    My initial thought was that the sugar content in watermelon would be to low to acquire any watermelon taste when made into a wine without an artificial flavoring added, apparently watermelon has more sugar that I thought. (More than peaches apparently, never would have guessed that). Twice that of strawberries…

    Usually you try to aim for about 18g of sugar in 100 grams of product for the fermentation. Which I think people used that just because that’s what grapes hover around and they ferment very well without additives.

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• BruceLee@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I would set up a food collection spot just a few feet outside and ask people if they are kind enough to consider taking a case or two to donate there. This way I can redistributed the way I want with that second charity.

  Thank you for your service ʘ‿ʘ

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• bleistift2@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  You might try contacting restaurants and see if they have the capacity to cook ketchup (or something else with a longer shelf life) from the tomatoes. Technically, everybody can do that. I’m thinking of restaurants because of their bigger pots.

  Speaking of restaurants: They might have a food dehydrator that can process some of the cauliflower, as well.

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  • nokturne213@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    We have tried to work with restaurants in the past, giving them extra produce for free and they in turn have to prepare so many meals for unhoused and our volunteers and they refused.

    We are looking at being able to use the community kitchen to process it ourselves. The issue then comes down to enough volunteer hours to do this.

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• kamen@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  You’re doing your part, but someone else isn’t. Everyone should learn as part of their upbringing that wasting food is bad - just like littering and thousands of other things. Unfortunately we live in a world where someone has to be fined for them to realise they’re doing something wrong.

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• fubarx@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Second the pickling idea. Read a similar story that a food bank had a lot of excess fresh material. Thry had set up production through a commercial food processing site, had put labels on them, and were selling them online and at farmer’s markets. The proceeds were going back to the food bank. Zero wastage. They were also making things like sauerkraut, kimchee, and kombucha. Watermelon can also be juiced and the rinds pickled.

  I imagine for food safety and liability reasons, you wouldn’t want to do it in someone’s kitchen. Plus, licensing fees. But you have a great story to tell (good health, zero waste, help food bank).

  Quick search since you mentioned NM: www.newmexicofma.org/food_processing_permits.php

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• andybytes@programming.dev ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Tax Churches Into Oblivion. A society that runs off a charity is a society that doesn’t function. Christians always side with the fascist when they come to power. The private businesses are the fascist. The United States supported the Nazis during World War II. This was all to weaken the Soviet Union. America is an imperialist empire and fascists are the useful idiots of empire. The bureaucracy is just basically how things work. And there are rules for things for a reason. Trump and Elon Musk love bureaucracy. They just want to work for them. Capitalism is a wasteful system. It prioritizes the profit incentive and sometimes over producing and outpacing your competitor until you corner the market. Charity is just one way to manage perception especially if you get less taxes. It doesn’t make sense on purpose because fulfilling people’s needs is not its purpose. Charity is a business and it’s not about helping people. Even if it’s a Christian church. We no longer produce our own food, and big agriculture is the only thing we got. We have enough to make sure people don’t go hungry. But the capitalist wants you to go hungry. Or pay the highest price possible. But less than the guy down the street, that’s competing with them. The nonsensical madness that surrounds me on the daily is just, it makes sense if you know how things work.

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  • Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    this has nothing to do with churches.

    This is companies maximizing their tax deduction by donating at retail value instead of writing off the loss of actual cost.

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• DesertDwellingWeirdo@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  I have a large ice chest and a heavily restricted diet due to medical issues and my food banks won’t give me fresh produce unless I show proof of residency (they want you to have a refrigerator). The little daily snack pack with oreos and soda they give you otherwise isn’t worth the trip.

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• Jimmycakes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Trade it to a restaurant in exchange for stuff they might have you actually want. Shouldn’t be hard to move tomato and onion

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  • Critical_Thinker@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I don’t think restaurants are going to want hundreds of pounds of product at the very end of life in terms of freshness. This is the product the manufacturer couldn’t sell to a store for various reasons.

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