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  • CarbonatedPastaSauce@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Orange Diaper is burning my country’s goodwill to the ground and I’m so happy to see the rest of the world telling us to fuck off, and more importantly fucking with Americas wallet.

    Consequences for bad behavior is the only way it ever gets corrected.

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    • SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s like someone wished for more European defense spending but to the monkey’s paw

      The US wants better European militaries in case we can’t help, not because we would refuse to help

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      • mmddmm@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The US wants better European militaries in case we can’t help or share

        Instructions unclear, got weapons to defend against the US instead…

        Suddenly nobody wants an F-35 anymore.

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    • RedditRefugee69@lemmynsfw.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      You like being told to fuck off?

      I’m making plans to leave and I’m not looking forward to being associated with the US

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  • HowAbt2morrow@futurology.today ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    They look like they’re being told to smile or a family member will be killed.

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    • Boomkop3@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I guess they’re just not actors

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    • mmddmm@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s AI generated, isn’t it?

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      • ryedaft@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Kinda small on my phone but I don’t think so. Most ai stuff looks more air brushed and the light is usually weird. This has skin imperfections and clothes wrinkles that look very real.

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    • umbraroze@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m from Finland. It’s late winter now. It’s not Smiling Season yet.

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    • Ymer@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, but it’ll be a random family member - not necessarily a woman or LGBTQ+.

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    • Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      No no the guy is making a face like “I came here to fart don’t follow me” she she’s all “I came here to smell it”

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  • Ravi@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Come to Germany! We do everything like the US, but with a 4 year delay and 10% less intense! Relive your memories of when your homeland went down the drain!

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    • LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I feel like the 4 year delay is gonna hit it’s threshold and start surpassing the US. Maybe I’m wrong but I feel like Germany has the populous to shift very quickly. Now that the US is full Fascism I feel like Germany just got the acceleration card equipped.

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      • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I still have the hope that people see the trainwreck the US is now and go “oh shit”, and try to avoid it

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      • Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I would say that the politically widespread “unwavering support” for a nation very overtly because of their dominant ethnicity, including whilst they’re commiting a Genocide along ethnic lines themselves (the kind of thing one would naivelly expect Germans to be especially disgusted at), proved beyond any doubt that Racism in Germany is alive, well all across the political spectrum, from the supposed “left” of the Greens all the way to the far-right.

        AfD really is just the same mindset with the extra step of “If it’s good to unwaveringly support them no matter what they do, then it’s also good for us”

        Sadly whilst the symbols were forbidden, the way of thinking about other human beings (of seeing people as members of ethnicities and judging and treating them differently depending on ethnicity) that was the foundation for Nazism never actually died in Germany, they just changed who the ubermenschen and untermenschen are and don’t actually say those words out loud.

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  • Hylactor@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Living somewhere else is quite tempting in a grass is greener way, but it feels like moving out of my house because of pests. What I’d really rather do is eradicate the pests and get my home back. Even if I move, how long until I have to suffer new pests? Meanwhile the more sane of the two completely out of touch parties that compromise my government are like my housemate, and they keep leaving food wrappers and shit all over the place and they refuse to call an exterminator because it would be “cruel”. But these no-kill traps ain’t doing shit. Figuratively speaking, of course.

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    • SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Sometimes you gotta move out and leave your roommate alone in the mess, for them to hopefully realize that they are the problem

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    • Lauchmelder@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I couldn’t have said it better myself, I will definitely steal that analogy. Moving to another country is such an extreme step, because it means giving up everything I have here and adjusting to new people, new culture, new language, new everything. I’d rather my home stay pest-free.

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      • thevoidzero@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Of course we’d rather it stays pest free. For if you have black mold, would you stay there and have health consequences for rest of your life, your children and all. Or would you just think I’ll abandon this, it’s gonna cost a lot to give up the furniture and everything that you have build up over the years but it’s not important than your life. Specifically as a non-white person where even your residence status isn’t protecting you anymore.

        And this current thing isn’t the problem it’s a symptom of a problem so deep, I don’t really see us getting back to normal anytime soon. We might mitigate it, or maybe it’ll get so bad people will realize the actual problems and work towards solving it. I just don’t have energy to be that optimistic. I really wish people would be more empathetic, think about the community and be altruistic enough to address the bigger problem. But I don’t see that happening.

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  • hash@slrpnk.net ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Their schools were already orders of magnitude cheaper. Get ready for extreme brain drain!

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    • ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      I’m hoping to get into a pretty well regarded game dev school in Sweden that is $25k USD for the entire degree. Comparing it with anything similar in the US is mind boggling. Schools here are impossibly expensive

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      • Boomkop3@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        That’s still pricey imo

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      • SchwertImStein@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Future games, innit? The one the ceo of the company that made It Takes Two finished?

        It’s mind boggling to me that this school exists. I mean they have the achievements of the alumni to schow, so good for them.

        But still it’s a paid school for game dev, famous for crunch, and worse salary than “normal” dev. So not only will you work more, and earn less, you also have to pay for your studies, since standard CS is free.

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    • tauonite@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Completely free. Kind of. It’s like less than €200 a year to study at a university in Finland.

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      • kaarne@leminal.space ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        This is true only for students from the EU/ETA area: for students from outside it is a minimum of 1500€/month to study in a school of higher education.

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    • LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Haven’t European schools been cheaper since like the 80s tho?

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      • Boomkop3@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Yep

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  • F_OFF_Reddit@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This is amazing for us in Europe, bring all the educated ones and leave the Trumpers there

    Fully onboard with this, welcome to Spain amigo.

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    • xor@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      well to some of us americans, who can’t leave, this is horrible… but logical….
      the last thing i want is all the reasonable people to leave, and be stuck with these fuxks….

      i kinda wonder now, how much did people fleeing nazi germany contributed to them solidifying power?

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      • parrhesia@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        It’s kinda funny, this is what Texas did to Oklahoma in regards to our teachers. Put up billboards saying that they paid more in Texas. It’s depressing but it worked lol.

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      • WarlordSdocy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I mean I imagine most people leaving would still keep American citizenship and therefore still be able to vote. Unless they decide to end their citizenship which some might but I imagine most people would still want to keep that option open.

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    • fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      The world is looking to China too, their sciences are blossoming. Exciting times ahead while Americans decide who they are and want to be and eventually go through their own Enlightenment. Things are bad now, but tyrants always fall eventually. I think we are entering a sort of golden age for science.

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    • Squizzy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Pity they leave the nukes there, for a bunch of rabid capitalist morons

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      • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        except they need the same experts to maintain nukes, Nukes have a “expiration date”, they want it to mostly become like russia, where all the money goes to oligarches.

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  • Boomkop3@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Is this why Elon is pushing for anti-immigration parties in the EU? He doesn’t want people to leave?

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    • Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Of course he doesn’t want people to leave, how can he be king if all his serfs leave?

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  • Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    My daughter is about 2 years from graduating high school, and even before Trump came into office I was urging her to consider non-US colleges. Mostly because she wants to go into medicine and our healthcare system has been broken for much longer than I can remember. But also the rise of Fox News (and others) getting away with stating provable lies as fact, Joe Rogan, et al. showed that there has been an inflection point and the country is being led around by the dumbest of us.

    She’s fluent in Spanish, though jumping straight into a medical program would introduce a lot of new specialized words, and might be to much. We’re starting to look into options though.

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    • fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      College introduces a lot of new words in general. It is what it’s for, plus, she will be in pre-med. Go for the Spanish route. She will flourish. :)

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      • Sweetpeaches69@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Ugh, Spain is amazing. I dream of that country.

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      • Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Very true. If she’s up for the challenge I really want her to do that. I’d love more reasons to go to Spain.

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    • Revan343@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Medical English is largely stripped-down Latin, I wonder how similar medical Spanish is

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      • captain_oni@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        The technical terms are very similar. The only issue would be the colloquial terms.

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    • tbs9000@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Healthcare in the US is terrible, but part of that is how much providers can charge. Healthcare providers aren’t able to charge as much in communities where it’s considered a basic human right. If she practices outside the US her earnings will probably not be as high - and thats even considering the insurance healthcare providers need to carry to account for lawsuits.

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      • Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        The biggest problem in the US is how the insurance companies insert themselves between the doctor and patient, and tell you what services you’re allowed to receive without even being in the room for the diagnosis.

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  • JOMusic@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Meanwhile the Trump administration has asked Australian academics to justify their US-funded research lines up with Conservative values

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  • Bunbury@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    And as far as I’ve seen the numbers it’s working too. Anywhere in Europe that is academic or sciency is seeing record numbers of Americans applying. The brain drain will be real.

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    • edryd@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It has already been happening for several years now, it’s just accelerated since Trump. Even before his first term there was a “negative brain drain” of educated workers no longer coming into the US because the benefits (paid time off, health care, etc) are so much worse compared to other countries, even when considering the higher pay. America used to rely on a steady stream of incoming highly educated workers.

      But now there is a huge amount of well established academics leaving for Canada, EU, or anywhere else that will pay them. I work in a physics department at a large R1 university in a very liberal state, and we are losing 4 (that I know of) high regarded professors just this year alone moving to other countries.

      The brain drain is here, and won’t be reversing course even if Trump suddenly disappears. We would have to completely change how we reward work and our failing healthcare system for anything to change.

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      • Bunbury@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        Makes sense. This is doing decades of damage. Plenty of past groundbreaking research came out of the US. But I get it. I wouldn’t want to move to the US either for very much the same reasons. Lack of affordable healthcare, lack of paid holidays and gun safety would be the main reasons. Ane now the current regime and the way too large chunk of the population that still seems happy with it means we put even tourist travel plans to the US on hold. Too scary at the moment. Trying to help the best I can from here, but there’s only so much you can do at a distance.

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      • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        its also very hard to get hired as faculty as colleges because of the limited space, alot of people graduaitng in the us with a undergrad thinks thier career path is a PHD, but its too competitive because tenures arnt leaving until thier dead, plus university can be stingy and hiring cheap temporary instructors,. also getting grad degrees are expensive and not easy too.

        im curious are they moving to other countries because “insurance, pay, politics”?

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    • Snowclone@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      It’s already happened in Florida and Idaho at least, Idaho lost a huge amount of medical professionals thanks to RvW and state passed open ended and vague laws. Florida lost just about all their teachers DeSantis is stuffing schools with sycophants with little to no education and no teaching credentials. We’re already losing.

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      • Bunbury@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        All numbers I’ve seen for record applications were for high level research and university level teaching. Maybe the medical doctors mainly moved states? At least I haven’t seen them making headlines about moving to Europe.

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  • socsa@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It low-key reads like one of those "lonely singles in your area" ads.

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    • Acamon@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Yeah, I good with the message, but that’s one of the most uncomfortable looking photos I’ve seen. Where are they supposed to be looking?

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  • Zink@programming.dev ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This feels sad on the surface, as an American who went to college 25 years ago and is used to seeing people from around the world move here to learn, teach, start businesses, etc.

    But giving it any real thought, damn it, it is much better for humanity this way. Climate change isn’t going to pause while the world watches us collapse.

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    • Ledericas@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      our 4-year university, actually state is actually suffering from low-enrollment issues, its getting so serious as of recently they have slash faculty and “less important classes”: and the faculties getting canned said it was “birth rates”, i was commenting on the sub, said it was HCOL, and low job prospects.

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  • pineapplelover@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Say less, I’m omw

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  • mlg@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    The US University experience

    Image

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    • LeninOnAPrayer@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Excuse me. They have a women. This is clearly a DEI group of fascist.

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    • Tungsten5@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Hey ya know, just how it be sometimes

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  • SARGE@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Man I just love being undesirable in every country due to my beliefs, lifestyle, or lack of a degree.

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    • driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Explain the “beliefs” so I can judge you.

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      • SARGE@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        I believe that my gay neighbors should be able to grow weed in their yard and if you diss our trans homies, we might get violent before we bother asking nicely for you to leave, and if you refuse then the guns are coming out. Armed minorities are harder to oppress.

        Judge away.

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    • nooneescapesthelaw@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      All of these things can change

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    • TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

      Very few people can operate a transporter, though.

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      • SARGE@startrek.website ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

        You make a good point, I’ll have to see if there are any practical applications in Europe or Canada.

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  • boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Estonian here, first Yank* scientist on Lemmy to come work at University of Tartu gets a beer on me. Note that when I say “come work at” I mean I live in the city, not that I work at the university too. I dropped out after a semester and a half lol

    * Yank refers to the entire USA here, though younger generations don’t use it much. You could be from Texas or California and still be a Yankee.

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    • Tuuktuuk@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      Same in Finland: a Californian or a Hawaiian is a Yankee (in Finnish: jenkki) here.

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    • mineralfellow@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

      I love Tartu, but last I heard, the pay and funding sucked. How is it now?

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      • boonhet@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

        Apparently it’s only good if you get good grants and scheme around with the money.

        According to this professors and above make pretty good money for Tartu cost of living, assuming you’re not trying to support an entire family on a single salary.

        Really, it’s a place you could move to for the vibes, but it won’t be the best place to make money.

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  • DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Actual free market at work, as opposed to the shit we have in the U.S.

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  • LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Americans: Oy sure, but SoCiAlIsM!

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  • Randomgal@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Emotional, fucking, damage.

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  • RedSnt@feddit.dk ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Wouldn’t that be wonderful, so see the greatest brain-drain in human history. Couldn’t happen to nicer people.

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  • Etterra@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Yeah brain drain isn’t as cool when it happens here, is it?

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  • sharetload@aussie.zone ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    Come to Australia! If you’re on the west coast of America, it’s not even that ridiculous a journey. It’s quite like America in lots of good ways, and less so in the insane, gun-toting ways. (Lots of idiot-trucks still, though 😞)

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  • Slovene@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    We have quite a shortage of doctors and other medical professionals in Slovenija. Come on over, guys!

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  • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    TORILLE

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  • xye@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    Makes me very sad because of course brain drain is inevitable under the circumstances, but selfishly I worry for my families future without them. We can’t afford to get out. Many of us didn’t have the opportunities to become someone who could leave the country in any capacity, let alone now. Just…please if you’re considering this, remember who you’re leaving behind that aren’t the Trump sycophants. I know it’s not your job to fix anything. But if you’re moving to some place because it’s more equitable, I would find it extremely hypocritical that you would be contributing to inequality yourself by doing so.

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  • sgbrain7@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    I wouldn’t mind moving to canada since I’m really close to the border anyway. it would be like nothing happened almost

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  • TacoButtPlug@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    This thread gives me hope. Last Trump presidency Marcon told scientists to move to France. I was like… I hear you. Added 56 credit hours of math and science to my writing degree. Now I’m ready to do bioinformatics or something health data related not in the US.

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  • Lumbardo@reddthat.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

    It is not secret that the US has attracted talented academics for many years. I am sure that these kinds of advertisements are not new.

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  • sudoer777@lemmy.ml ⁨1⁩ ⁨month⁩ ago

    I have a friend here in the US who is already planning on leaving the US after undergrad and doing grad school in Europe somewhere

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