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The fact that people this stupid exist

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Submitted ⁨⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨STRIKINGdebate2@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world⁩

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  • Drusas@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The extremelyinfuriating part: these people vote.

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    • IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Voting causes autism, look it up sheeple.

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      • urfavlaura@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        using the internet causes cancer, look up 5G it’s an internet thing sheeple

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      • SolarNialamide@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Damn that explains why I was diagnosed at 20. It wasn’t because women in autism is severely underdiagnosed, it was because I had only recently gotten it by diligently voting in every election since turning 18! 😫

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      • SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Caprinae exists! Look up sheeple!

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    • inspxtr@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      a follow might be: Do the people know better vote? Can they?

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      • Ddubz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This is the correct perspective. As it turns out, a huge amount of people that believe Bill Gates is injecting 5G chips into people absolutely don’t vote. If you recall, the first amendment nuts in the loser convoys and a bunch of the J6 defendants weren’t even registered to vote and yet they screeched election interference. For an election they didn’t even bother to vote in.

        2020 was one of the highest blue voter turnouts in national history making record first time voters in their 30s and 40s.

        So yes, it should be pointed out that everyday people turning out to vote against this brain rot is just as important whether or not magats and human vegetables are voting too.

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    • idunnololz@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      A lot of them can’t anymore though 😔

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    • Kir@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      This is a stupid arguments, TBH.

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      • Drusas@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There's no argument....

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    • Oderus@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And they breed. What’s that saying? The meek shall inherit the earth?

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  • GreenPlasticSushiGrass@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    They've been working on a COVID vaccine since the SARS epidemic, but that fact won't stop the stupid.

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    • BorgDrone@lemmy.one ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also, cancer isn’t one disease but a whole class of diseases. And we actually do have vaccines that prevent certain forms of cancer, like the HPV vaccine.

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      • Zirconium@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I WONT LET MY KID GET THE HPV VACCINE. IT MEANS THEY CAN HAVE SEX WITH NO CONSEQUENCES

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      • JadenSmith@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There is also a lung cancer vaccine made in Cuba, called CimaVax (I think).

        There’s some hurdles to getting it though, depending on where you are.

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    • CaptPretentious@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also, the amount of computational power that was made available for COVID research was recorded breaking.

      If you were on Folding@home at that time, they couldn’t get enough WU out fast enough for a while. Gamers really showed up and helped.

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      • Mirshe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Yeah, it helps when you have a mind-boggling amount of computers across the world crunching your data.

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    • shitescalates@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also, why wouldn’t they use a cancer vaccine for a “mind control” or “tracking chip”.

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      • Jamie@jamie.moe ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I always found the tracking chip conspiracy stuff to be particularly funny. Unfortunately, I never personally met any whackos that believed it.

        The best method for very accurately tracking them was the thing they likely used to post about the COVID vaccine tracking you.

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  • zeriah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The thing that bothers me the most about (mostly right-wing) anti-covid propaganda is that they use the argument that it was rushed to market. The vaccines were rushed to market thanks to an FDA emergency provision that removed a lot of the “red tape” that companies normally have to go through to get any medical item into the hands and/or bodies of consumers.

    So many right-wing politicians campaign on the promise of removing red tape and getting rid of these things that protect all of us. This is literally what they say they want.

    Chalk another one up for right wing hypocrisy, I suppose…

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    • FaeDrifter@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Chalk another one up for right wing hypocrisy, I suppose…

      The only right wing value is the acquisition of power and influence, that’s why they don’t hold to any position, they will just stand wherever benefits them the most in that moment.

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      • TechnoBabble@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And by they, you mean the right wind politicians in power.

        The people who vote for them are constantly voting against their immediate interests.

        If we had some sort of ranked choice, a lot of these one-issue voters might actually have a choice in their representation. Which would be good for all of us.

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      • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        What does “left wing” and “right wing” mean?

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    • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also, these vaccines were not developed in under a year. There was literally several DECADES of research and testing on coronavirus vaccines (anyone remember SARS), and mRNA / adenovirus vaccine tech.

      Saying these were rushed is a flat out lie.

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      • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        They were rushed in that they did rush to accelerate the development- largely through increased development. However, that does not make them unsafe. Of course investing more into research can generally speed it up.

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    • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago
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      • enki@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Where did you read this nonsense? The COVID vaccines are FAR more effective at preventing illness and death than the flu shot. The things we learned about mRNA vaccines made for COVID will be used to improve the flu shot and other vaccines in the future. There is quite literally no reasonable argument against the vaccines. They’re extremely safe and extremely effective.

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      • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Like annual flu shots, the covid shot are freaking amazing at keeping people alive and out of the hospital. Do the ensure that you won’t get sick? No. The point is to reduce severity and spread.

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      • DarkWasp@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        This simply isn’t true, they’re extremely effective at preventing serious illness and death. Variants came along that stressed them but the main purpose of those two things has stood firm.

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      • HeartyBeast@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The Covid vaccines were really very effective against the original strains they were developed against. They effectively reduced the chances of infection.

        By the time we got to omicron- less so, though still good at preventing serious disease

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    • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Generally right-wingers oppose efficacy requirements not long term safety trials- the COVID vaccine simply did not have enough time for that. Or they oppose the FDA entirely- which is a different thing because then you could hold drug companies liable rather than them being able to lean on the FDA for protection.

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  • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    1. Vaccines against coronavirus have been in development for decades. The urgency for them really ticked up with in the early 2000’s with SARS coronavirus floating around. Also the tech for quickly developing mRNA vaccines has been in the works since the 80’s.

    2. HIV is a very different virus and we do have pretty good treatments to prevent infection (prep) and stop HIV from becoming AIDS. I have someone in my family that has had HIV for decades and he is going to die from old age, not the AIDS.

    3. Cancer, like a broken leg, is not a virus. It’s an entirely medical problem.

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    • juliebean@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      you raise a good point. we still don’t have vaccines for broken legs either. this puts the reality of all other supposed vaccines into further doubt.

      spoiler

      /s in case that wasn’t clear

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      • MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Well, I’ve heard about this one guy named Logan who got a vaccine for broken bones… After he got it, he never broke a bone in his body again.

        … He also got sweet blades that come out from his hands.

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    • Kftrendy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      There IS the HPV vaccine, which is basically a cancer vaccine for one set of cancers.

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      • Ghostalmedia@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I guess you could say the same thing about hepatitis vaccines.

        HPV and hepatitis are not cancer, but they can increase the risk of certain cancers. Often times the best way to beat cancer is to limit exposure to the things that can increase the risk of getting it.

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      • Nowyn@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Immunotherapy is also often called cancer treatment vaccine. And HepB vaccine also protects from liver cancer associated with Hep B.

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    • Archer@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also significant parts of mRNA vaccine research were built on HIV research! Fighting HIV/AIDS directly led to the technologies that let us make the Covid vaccine possible. We really do “stand on the shoulders of giants” - we build new knowledge based off the work of those who came before us!

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      • aidan@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        mRNA vaccines yes, not more traditional vaccines like J&J- but generally true.

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    • seiryth@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also good to remember there’s also newer tech like alphafold from the deepmind project - using AI to really, really accelerate development.

      alphafold.ebi.ac.uk

      Absolutely blows my mind.

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    • mechoman444@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      To these people an apple isn’t an orange. They can’t tell that they’re both fruit.

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    • medvedev@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Thanks for explanation.

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  • jacaw@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The worst part about this is that the MRNA tech used in the COVID vaccine was developed specifically to make cancer vaccines.

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    • Nougat@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      And mRNA vaccine technology has been advancing for decades. It's disingenuous to suggest that "it only took ten months."

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      • chaogomu@kbin.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        There were also early coronavirus vaccines being developed with mRNA tech to fight SARS and MERS. I have a friend who got the MERS vaccine as part of a test group.

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      • Mirshe@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        And it came together with new rapid prototyping technologies for vaccines, and far better computer modeling than anything anyone has ever had before. Like, there were a bunch of technologies that just happened to be coming into maturity at almost the same time, and between those technologies and the combined powers of most of the major vaccine labs on the face of the planet, and the near-infinite money to tie all of that in a nice package, a vaccine was developed in 10 months

        It’s really a story of humanity actually pulling their shit together and deciding to throw all their chips in a pile, as it were.

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    • meldroc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      They scream about it, but MRNA tech & the other advancements involved enabled us to get from zero-to-vaccine in record time, and I’m convinced that because of that, my 84yo mother with COPD is still here!

      They call it conspiracy, I call that victory!

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  • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Why the fuck are these idiots so weirdly obsessed with Gates. He’s a fuckin’ retired OS monger, not a supermegapolyscientist

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    • zakobjoa@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      His foundation is heavily invested in vaccinating populations in the global south. On paper at least – I don’t trust billionaires or their foundations, most of it is tax evasion anyway.

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      • Dagnet@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Say what you want about bill gates, but that guy is the second highest do or to the world health organization, only behind the USA (yes, the country). Beats even all the other countries

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      • MrSqueezles@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        I’d rather tax the rich and let the people decide what to do with their money than trust all billionaires to do the right things.

        This particular person is on a mission to do to malaria what science and governments did to smallpox, eliminate it from existence forever. You don’t spend 80 billion dollars to save on your taxes. He’s no perfect saint, but there are rich people who are more selfish.

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    • TwoGems@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Because if you notice, the conspiracy theories tell them to hate anyone that’s mildly helpful to humanity and celebrate sociopaths like Trump. Gates isn’t perfect but as far as philanthropy related work, he did some decent things sometimes.

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    • teuast@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      he’s really rich and has paid lip service to liberal ideas, that’s enough

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    • danc4498@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Gives them someone other than themselves to hate.

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    • FormerlyChucks@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      He was also very friendly with Epstein…

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      • Taleya@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Honestly at this point what rich cunt isn’t

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    • SaveComengs@lemmy.federa.net ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      god i hate gates and wish he never did this whitewashing bullshit but these vaccine dumbasses have as much iq as they do brain cells

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  • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There are two reasons for no AIDS vaccine: 1) it’s very hard to make a vaccine for a virus that targets the immune system and 2) it’s very hard to make a vaccine for a virus that is primarily associated with a group that one political party has a contingent that wants that group dead

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    • P1r4nha@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      More on 2: even though it’s also transmitted via blood transfusions and other “innocent” ways, the main transmission risks are unprotected sex and shared needles when using drugs.

      No way conservative, religious countries are putting up a grand effort to find a vaccine for promiscuous young people and drug users either, even if they aren’t gay.

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      • captainlezbian@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        Oh absolutely. Ending a needle exchange program in the 21st century gave Indiana a massive aids problem. Currently due to different cultural perceptions straight people are more at risk of hiv than gay people in some places.

        And also yeah, what actually made the US government take aids seriously was a young boy getting it from a blood transfusion. He was young enough that it was obvious he wasn’t having gay sex or doing drugs.

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    • Hotzilla@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Also I believe AIDS virus mutates very rapidly, which makes it harder in that sense to develope a vaccine for it.

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  • reverendsteveii@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    hiv.gov/…/encouraging-first-in-human-results-for-…

    An HIV vaccine is in human trials

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    • Vex_Detrause@lemmy.ca ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      Well that’s a good news I like seeing in these sea of sad news.

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    • darcy@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

      oh sure another possible hiv vaccine that certainly wont be forgotten in a month

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      • 1ird@notyour.rodeo ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

        The point is that some viruses are harder to pin down than others.

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  • Shortstack@reddthat.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Ignorance appears to be like rabies in at least one way, once it rots enough of your brain you become fearful of anything and everything around you.

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  • mineapple@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    In fact, there are vaccines against some cancer types. There’s a virus, which is responsible for almost all womb cancer cases. Here in Germany, the vaccine is free, if you’re under 20 iirc.

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  • Hyggyldy@sffa.community ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    “Things I don’t understand make me scared!”

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  • Luvs2Spuj@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I like the suggestion that cancer only existed for 100 years

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  • toiletobserver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I’m mad, but for the wrong reason. I’m mad we haven’t invested enough in research for cures to other things.

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  • Diabolo96@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Both my parents didn’t want the vaccine because they where scared of side effects. Both of them have chronic disease. My dad lungs are basically dead from chaine smoking for 50+ years. They miraculously survived getting coronavirus, twice…

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  • artvandelay@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Vaccines are typically meant to protect against viruses or bacteria. Cancer is neither of those. hiv is a virus but the political will to produce effective treatments was not always there. I think a lot of young people underestimate the homophobia that was pervasive not all that long ago and how it was tied to the aids epidemic.

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  • cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I man there’s been so much research towards AIDS that it’s not the death sentence that it was in the 80s.

    However, there probably would have been even more progress had it not been for Reagan

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  • P1r4nha@feddit.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    How can they even compare them? Nobody even suggested that COVID is similar to the other two. Cancer isn’t even a virus and left to their own devices COVID is probably the less dangerous one.

    Also cancer isn’t just a single disease, there are multiple conditions that can lead to cancer and they all have different chances of survival.

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  • somewhiteguy@infosec.pub ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    The best thing for my family was that we were in St Jude with our daughter while the rest of the world lost their minds. I was able to speak directly to Infectious Disease doctors that had nothing to do with anything but researching for cancer patients. They had worked with the original doctors for the Covid vaccine, and how long it had been in development as we learned more about the disease. People were just going off ignorance. Just because you don’t know, doesn’t mean everyone else is trying to lie to you.

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  • FireWire400@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I like how they just added those question marks with a pen

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  • ArchmageAzor@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I hate people who are unwillinh to learn and even proud of it

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  • SeaJ@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    Does this person think cancer is a virus?

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  • HawlSera@lemm.ee ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    AiDS destroys the immune system, you CAN’T make a vaccine for it.

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  • lemmylommy@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    No vaccine against stupidity either. Coincidence?

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  • atp2112@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    One of the worst parts is that there are many valid reasons to criticize Bill Gates with regards to the COVID vaccine (mainly as it pertains to his intellectual property crusade leading to a few companies getting to dictate the rollout and screwing over the Global South in the process), but it’s all drowned out by these idiots screaming about microchips.

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  • DavidDoesLemmy@aussie.zone ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    There’s a cervical cancer vaccine

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  • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This is the most believable vaccine conspiracy I have seen yet. Everything else is stupidly far fetched, but replacing with saline and getting everyone to get on with their lives is a lot more believable then anything else I have seem. I wouldn’t be surprised if that happened in some places in the world.

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  • FoxAndKitten@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    This actually gets me thinking… Is anyone actually working on an aids vaccine? Maybe mRNA could do something there, theoretically it should be able to grant pretty much any type of immunity you can have naturally

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  • jcit878@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    I thought we were all supposed to drop dead in 2 years, the cookers were all banging on about that at one point when they weren’t punching horses and thinking the government used laser weapons on them and not that they got sunburnt from spending the day in the sun “protesting”

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  • fne8w2ah@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨year⁩ ago

    These clueless twats think they are very smart.

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