Why are peole hating on .world?

Submitted ⁨⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago⁩ by ⁨ChilledPeppers@lemmy.world⁩ to ⁨[deleted]⁩

I’ve seen around 3 occasions of that this week, altho I have never seen anything like it before.

if I remember correctly they were:

smack talking a mod (FlyingSquid) for saying not to report the same comment twice, when they were different comments, and the report was spam
someone comparing .world with .ml in politics (as in there was a comment saying "this post will be overrun with .ml people, and then a comment going “but you are from .world”) (Maybe Im part of the problem? I have been called out for being a fascist because I questioned the “puching nazis” theme)
one more which I can’t remember.

Anyways, what is all that about? Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?

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StopTouchingYourPhone@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
Thanks for asking this btw. Just found it with a quick search wondering the same thing after reading yet another comment section (this one about Trump, Musk and JD Vance) that turned into 50% whinging about .world mods/admin and horrible reddit users turning their lemmy into a shithole. The answers you got here were really helpful for me to understand a bit more about the context/history of these spaces.

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- ChilledPeppers@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago
  No problem, I was just curious, and I guess you had the same question :)
  
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deegeese@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
.world is the biggest instance and therefore a prime choice for trolls to create accounts. Most of the trash posts I’ve seen lately are from brand new users on lemmy.world

I am equally suspicious of brand new lemmy.world users as I am of veterans of lemmy.ml. Older accounts on .world are usually pretty normal.

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- aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  This is why I chose lemmynsfw. No one doubts our intent
  
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  - aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Also no downvotes :)
    
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  - ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    A big number of instances don’t federate with lemmynsfw though, so there’s a lot of users who don’t see the messages of the users from that instance.
    
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  - credo@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I want to upvote you, but your tally is at 69 right now.
    
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  - bastion@feddit.nl ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Your comment has been noticed and new bots are inbound. Close your doors.
    
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- atocci@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I like to think of myself as normal lol
  
  I’m here because kbin.social died and this was my next oldest account
  
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  - burgersc12@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    lemmy.world is popular, which has its pros and cons. At least you didn’t pick hexbear lol
    
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  - RogueBanana@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Haven’t heard of the news. Do you mind telling me what happened to kbin?
    
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  - Amanduh@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    My twin, I was on kbin.social as well
    
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- ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  In my experience (hexbear and .ml instances excluded) the majority of trolls I encounter seems to be from either infosec.pub or blahaj.zone
  
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  - goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I usually see them from ee or sh.it.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
    
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- Crackhappy@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  How dare you call me normal good sir.
  
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  - OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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freeman@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Its an incredibly pro US biased instance despite not being hosted in the US and having a .world domain.

Greatest hits are politics@lemmy.world forbidding non-US topics and of course news@lemmy.world and its bias check bot according to which every non US media is left wing biased.

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- Invertedouroboros@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  To be fair, considering the right wing hellscape our (US) Overton window overlooks the bias bot might actually have a point.
  
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  - Maggoty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Oh no. Just no. We’ve found more than enough cases of bias to call it unreliable at best and a cover for washing conservative sources at the worst.
    
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  - freeman@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The bot posts in world news which allows non us news.
    
    It not trying to criticize the right wing bias of political discourse it’s trying to normalize it and apply it to non US issues and media.
    
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  - Madison420@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    The bot is bad and jonsjava is a real piece of shit just by themself.
    
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- fine_sandy_bottom@lemmy.federate.cc ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  God that fucking bot.
  
  The bot itself is only mildly offensive, but the fieflord bot-love is just repugnant.
  
  About a month ago news did a “feedback about the bot” thing, in which they declared undying love for the bot above all things and declared any input other than breathless support for the bot to be vote manipulated misinformation.
  
  There were about 3 mods involved, all contradicting each other, and themselves, very condescending, and very sooky and sulky. “One of the mods almost resigned over this!” kind of stuff.
  
  You had to start every comment with “look I know you guys are doing your best and investing all your free time as volunteers but…”
  
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oce@jlai.lu ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s a battle of political ideologies.

ml is administered by the creators of Lemmy, they are openly socialist/communist/tankie depending on your own ideology, ml was chosen to represent Marxism-Leninism, and so the people it attracted are generally also adhering to this kind of ideologies.
.world was created for Redditors exile, as such, it is mostly center-left to social democrat.

Political extremists tend to extremise everything, typically a tankie will call you a Nazi/fascist if you disagree with them. That’s one of your answer.

Secondly, some ml people are frustrated that Lemmy is not their own little thing anymore for them and their friends, as world is the biggest instance now by far. So they show some kind of instance-xenophobia, not much different from the Great Replacement theory: “we are being culturally replaced through mass migration”.

Not all .ml people are like that of course. In my experience, it is enough to block a few tankies to get back to civilized discussions.

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- Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I have had way more issues with .ml communities that .world
  
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  - deegeese@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    ML was basically designed to be an echo chamber, it’s right there in the name.
    
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  - Soup@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Everyone has. That place is a toxic shithole.
    
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- sp3tr4l@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I made the mistake of being an anarchist on ml and hexbear.
  
  Waay, waaaaaay too many tankies getting insanely pissed off and swarm when you criticize (point out obvious facts, really) any non US/Western countries or allies along anarchist lines.
  
  It rapidly devolves into idpol, rants and tirades that are barely related to the topic or comment, Fox News style ‘I’m just asking questions in good faith’ which are obviously not in good faith if you’re older than maybe 10.
  
  I dare someone to go ml or grad or hex and attempt to have a serious and thorough conversation about the Sino-Vietnamese war. Or Uighurs. Or the Holodomor. Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.
  
  I remember at one point explaining a meme that popped up on some China’s social media site that boiled down to ‘Deng Xiaoping’s reforms have led to Chinese women craving giant Black cocks’, and all of them being just fine with incels and racism when its not Westerners doing it.
  
  Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have ‘communists’ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin. Although that is more rare, it does happen.
  
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  - db0@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Or whether the concept of self-determination applies to Ukraine, Taiwan, and Palestine at the same time.
    
    That’s the hypocrisy that pisses me off the most. I don’t know how someone can support resistance by any means for Palestinians but seriously suggest Ukrainians are nazis for resisting an imperialist invasion.
    
    PS: there’s at least 2 anarchist instances on Lemmy 😉
    
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  - alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have ‘communists’ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin
    
    That’s an instaban from hb, grad, and .ml, did you report that post?
    
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  - Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    Craziest part is when they horseshoe so hard that you have ‘communists’ arguing that LGBTQ are degenerate vermin. Although that is more rare, it does happen.
    
    If someone claims something happened on the fediverse without providing a link, they’re lying.
    
    The culture where these sorts of blatant lies are accepted without question is my biggest problem with .world. You can have whatever actual beliefs you want, but lying like this is really despicable.
    
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  - Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Please show any sources for this garbage, these are all bannable offenses on Grad, Hexbear, and .ml.
    
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  - OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Oh people have tried I’m sure. They are banned now.:-)
    
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- Soup@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I’ve yet to see a tone in .world ban someone simply for having a political affiliation. The taking communities flat-out ban for being “liberal.”
  
  Granted, it’s been a while since I e seen this happen, the admins/mods there do not hide their bias.
  
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- Illuminostro@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
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  - Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I’m not against eating ass, but it depends who’s ass it is.
    
    First off, I’m only eating female ass. Secondly, she’s gotta be above 25 years old…and even that’s kinda young. Thirdly, she’s gotta shower well. I want that butthole to be CLEAN! And lastly, I gotta love her. I’m not just gonna go out on a first date at The Olive Garden, and then go home to her place and start eating ass! Hey, how’dya do? MUNCH MUNCH MUNCH!!! No, I have to have a connection to her.
    
    So I’m not “No Eat Ass”, but I’m not 100% pro “Eat Ass” either. But I guess you guys would just call me a centrist, and I’d get attacked from both sides for not being far enough on their side.
    
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- BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  “Nazis” flooding lemmy to replace the poor tankies (c. 2023):
  
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- P4ulin_Kbana@lemmy.eco.br ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Extremism :- (
  
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- Archer@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I hope people point out that they and the fascists both agree on Great Replacement theory lol
  
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Fleur_@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Imo the best mods/admins are the ones I don’t have to interact with and oh boy did I interact with the admins of .world

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- Blaze@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Nice way to phrase it 😄
  
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lvxferre@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
A lot of this boils down to consequences of lemmy.world being the largest instance: typical Reddit users beeline for it, trolls go there, larger comms so more frequent issues with moderation, people who fail to distinguish between “we shouldn’t concentrate our activity into the largest instance” and “largest instance bad! EDIT WOW THANKS FOR LE GOLD TO LE KNEE KIND STRANGER!”, so goes on.

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- linearchaos@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Back when I read it was just starting to fall as shit, I had already been dipping my toes in the mastodon water, and while I really liked the instance I was on it did not have enough people on it to properly surface good collections of off node traffic.
  
  Knowing that Mastodon had the problem, I didn’t dick around with smaller nodes. To be honest it’s still a fight if you’re on a node with only a handful of people, you have to do something to mitigate the lack of community traffic in the face of lacking discoverability.
  
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  - OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    People are doing that here though - e.g. the user Blaze made accounts on basically every instance, and subscribed to every community. This gets around the limitation where at least one user of an instance must subscribe to a community before it will even so much as show up for others to also subscribe. Really the developers should have made better automation so that this was not necessary, but… anyway it works, for now:-).
    
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- Lux18@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  
  EDIT WOW THANKS FOR LE GOLD TO LE KNEE KIND STRANGER!
  
  Giving me fucking flashbacks
  
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Soup@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Because the pedantic shit that the socialist get away with in .ml, Hexbear, and Lemmygrad doesn’t fly here. And because of this, they accuse .World of bias while completely ignoring the fact that their own instances ban people for simply being “liberal.”

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- Fleur_@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I got into an argument with some hexbear users on their instance. Curiously despite all my comments going against the hexbear consensus the only ones that got deleted were the ones that called out another user for using a pay to see documentary. I ironically said something along the lines of “nothing says socialism like paying for propaganda” and then had that comment quickly deleted. My crackpot unproven theory is that the moderators of that instance are deliberately trying to sell information (propaganda) to impressionable leftists to make a quick buck.
  
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  - Blaze@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Interesting, do you have a link to that thread?
    
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- fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Yes, exactly, except the .ml and Hexbear communities aren’t really socialist, it’s just a facade for their authoritarian propaganda.
  
  Sure, there are some actual communists/socialists there, but they’re the minority.
  
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- dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Drag is an anarchist and doesn’t much like liberal LW or authoritarian ML.
  
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  - Soup@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    No.
    
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FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
lemmyworld in many ways is still just reddit. don’t get me wrong, I’ve talked to plenty of cool people on there before. but it is the biggest instance that ballooned after the API controversy and a lot of them seem to have just brought Reddit to the fediverse with them. I have no issues with any mods there, I’ve not really seen them at all.

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- OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I beg to differ: even Reddit these days is little like Reddit, as it was just prior to the protests. Reddit f-ing died, and Lemmy.World is nothing like that shithole, especially what’s left nowadays with bots copying bots speaking to bots, allowing humans to simply scroll forever.
  
  To any extent that it is like the Reddit of old though, yeah it’s just bc it’s so big. It was guaranteed that some instance would become that, bc people are people - at least here, not like AI-Reddit. 🤡
  
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  - givesomefucks@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    
    t’s just bc it’s so big
    
    It’s not the World is big…
    
    It’s just everyone else is so small.
    
    Like in the grand scheme of the fediverse we’re all tiny. But of the “reddit clone” instances it might be bigger than everyone else put together even.
    
    I went over to your instance and checked, and yeah, it’s a reddit clone interface too
    
    The structure makes all of us “like reddit” because reddit has always had a shit ton of different small subs with vastly different vibes. A decade ago there was some sub on Reddit that had the exact same vibe your instance has today. That’s just how big reddit was.
    
    Federation just means no one group of admins can seize control, even if World went to shit tomorrow, everyone would just bounce. I have zero “loyalty” to my instance, if it starts to suck I’m out.
    
    That’s the point of this whole thing.
    
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- Soup@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Not even close.
  
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Blaze@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t hate LW, I even regularly post to a few LW communities. The sysadmins do a good job. There are a few debatable moderation decisions, but those are usually documented on !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com

The main issues I have with it is

centralization of communities coupled with the current federation implementation creating 7-days delay for instance like aussie.zone (see !fedimemes@feddit.uk for a meme and discussion on that topic)

their communities being the default means they can take controversial decisions and impact a topic for everyone until an alternative community emerges. See all the debates with the Media Bias Fact Checker bot, which in the end got removed from !world@lemmy.world (!globalnews@lemmy.zip for an alternative) but apparently it still on !politics@lemmy.world

another consequence of centralization is impact of their being unavailable. People here might remember August 2023 when LW was under consistent DDoS attack, it was barely usable. This prevented a third of Lemmy total users to use Lemmy. Should they face a similar issue in the future, most of the Lemmy communities would be unusable.

Another point I haven’t seen mentioned is that they are still federated with Threads: fedipact.veganism.social

They are the last large instance which still is.
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NuXCOM_90Percent@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I have nothing against the wolders but the admins of that instance raise more than a few eyebrows. Particularly when they rolled back specific anti hate speech policies in favor of vague common sense ones to stay ahead of the anti-woke crowd.

Kind of feels like they have been trying to take over Lemmy. Which… Could be a lot worse but still rubs me the wrong way.

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- dohpaz42@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  So far my only beef with the .world admins was their VPN policy. I don’t have any better suggestions, but I still feel it was the wrong choice.
  
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  - Know_not_Scotty_does@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    I just learned about the vpn thing a few days ago and its annoying.
    
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floofloof@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Some of the dumbest and most aggressive comments I’ve seen on Lemmy came from that instance. It has a reddit-like flavour.

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- OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I am really somewhat surprised to hear that honestly. After Lemmygrad.ml and hexbear.net, the worst extremes I see by far come from lemmy.ml. Sort of a “when I see trolling this bad, then >90% of the time it is lemmy.ml”.
  
  After that, yeah, lemmy.world has the largest absolute number of trolls on the Fediverse - you kinda expect some from any large instance, and they are definitely the largest by a wide margin! According to lemmy.fediverse.observer/list, they have >5-fold active users than anyone else. I presume that’s monthly. The next largest instance, is lemmynsfw.com, followed by Lemm.ee, sh.itjust.works, lemmy.ml, etc. but each of those with 2-3k users compared to lemmy.world’s 17.2k. So the latter is bigger than many others (if not quite all of them) combined.
  
  Trolls from lemmy.world I block individually, but lemmy.ml got so frustrating for me that I blocked the entire instance. I do not regret that in the slightest. It was that or quit Lemmy altogether. Lemmy.world though seems… “manageable”, i.e. not every person from it is worthwhile to talk to, but enough are that it’s worth blocking only the trolls while keeping the rest, imho.
  
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  - Soup@lemmy.cafe ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    Many of the .ml and Hexbear trolls have .world accounts as well
    
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- Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  hits you in the head with a steel chair like in pro-wrestling
  
  C’mon. Lemmy.World users aren’t aggressive!!! That’s a misconception!
  
  throws salt in your eyes
  
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  - OpenStars@discuss.online ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    In fairness, you in particular have lost your mind! (And I for one am glad to not be the only one!:-)
    
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RonnieB@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
What’s wrong with punching nazis?

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- ChilledPeppers@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Was expecting this comment, I used to be a pacifist, after asking why people would punch nazis in asklemmy, I read a few books they reccomended and I changed my mind.
  
  tldr: nothing.
  
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  - Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    That’s a pretty big fucking asterisk. That makes all the difference in the world.
    
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- dragonfucker@lemmy.nz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  It doesn’t do as much damage as biting them
  
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- Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  Not a god damned thing!
  
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  - Deceptichum@quokk.au ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
    It doesn’t happen enough?
    
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queermunist@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
lol imagine comparing .ml to Reddit.world

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- Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  juggles kittens
  
  Meow meow meow meow meow meow <----- That’s the kittens meowing, because they’re having a such a good time, but it’s still kind of scary! But it’s October season! It’s spooky scary time!!!
  
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Xylight@lemdro.id ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’d say the biggest criticism is that it’s the largest instance, and is also a “general purpose” instance, which sort of takes away from the main goal of the fediverse. When 90% of content comes from one instance, it opposes the goal of decentralization.

I chose lemdro.id because it’s nice and fast, the admins are very good, and it’s centralized around technology/software which I like

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- pixelscript@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
  I don’t think the existence of large instances is in itself strictly antithetical to decentralization. The network effect makes them inevitable.
  
  The power in the fediverse is everyone has a standard toolset to interact with the entire fediverse. Most people won’t, and that’s okay. The important thing is that, should larger communities become too oppresive as they gentrify, replacing them is a cheap decision, as you and everyone like-minded with you can squad up and leave at any time and lose nothing as the standard tooling of the platform facilitates that migration. You have mobility in the fediverse, and that permits choice to those who seek it.
  
  This will stop being true once the larger instances start augmenting their experiences with proprietary nonsense. Features that only work there, that you can invest into and become dependant on, that you’d have to give up if you leave.
  
  The day that happens will be the day that chunk of the Fediverse dies. Or, well, it won’t die, it will probably flourish and do very well. But it won’t be the Fediverse anymore. It will just be another knee-high-fence-gated community, that happens to run on Fediverse tech.
  
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Cowbee@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
.world runs into issues because it’s overwhelmingly liberal and the mods are anti-Marxist on a platform built by Communists and dominated by leftists in general. Lemmy.world is largely a replication of Reddit as well, so people leaving Reddit also don’t necessarily want that either.

Plenty of people like Lemmy.world, you’ll get different answers if you asked on another community like Lemmy.ml’s AskLemmy.

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LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I usually beef with sh.it.just.works users because by far I’ve met the most wrong takes there, especially in WPT, and it’s quite funny considering the instance name conveys a sort of desperation in not being able to get Lemmy to work, which just makes it seem like it’s an instance for the less intellectualy gifted of us, but it’s all in good fun really. Some communities there are also quite nice.

I’m pretty aligned with hexbears/MLs but their Russia simping is too much, whether it’s critical support or trying to get a reaction out of folks to post the pig it just feels like a nazi bar type situation.

Ironically db0 and slrpnk feel far more legit to me as an anarchist though neither are explicitly anarchist or based around being leftist in any other way.

Blahaj.zone banned me for transphobia on my first post I think. Or one of the communities did. No idea what I said there but I totally get them not messing around with bans.

World is just the largest instance, so naturally has the most trolls, spam, dodgy mods with weird rules and so on and so forth.

That’s the beauty of the fediverse though, if they ever became a real problem for me I’d just block em all. I kind of love this instance culture. Makes the place feel more human than the cold masto bullshit.

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Blaze@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Also, just thinking about it, but OP, you are posting this on a LW community, while people really disliking LW probably blocked the instance. You could maybe crosspost to !asklemmy@lemmy.ml to get additional answers

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UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

someone comparing .world with .ml in politics

Everyone to the left of me is a psychotic delusion America-hating Tankie.

I’m a rational, centrist clear-eyed moderate making fact-based decisions using my extensive expertise on the subject matter.

Everyone to the right of me is a Russian bot or a troll.

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Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
My biggest problem with .world is that people will just make up whatever they want about the out-group and everyone just believes it without question and with no interest in examining the evidence. It’s a toxic element of the site’s culture that encourages circle-jerking and the automatic dismissal of opposing viewpoints while making intelligent and informed discussion impossible.

The moderation is also pretty heavy-handed with censorship and things get removed for “misinformation” pretty frequently just because the mods disagree with it. You don’t have to go very far back in the modlog right now to find removed posts from Cowbee and Alcoholicorn, despite both backing up their arguments with published books from respectable authors. It’s best to avoid engaging with the mods at all, I got banned from World News because a mod couldn’t defend their position so they just banned me. There’s a pretty clear bias towards NATO and the US.

But like I said my main issue is the first point, and I’ll stop judging .worlders when I start to see people actually ask for evidence when someone says, “I saw a bunch of tankies eating kittens” instead of just blindly accepting it as fact because it’s about an out-group.

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Sundial@lemm.ee ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago

Are people really starting to hate on 50% of the lemmy population because of their instance?

You betcha buddy. Joking. For myself, at least.

Idk what’s going on with Flying Squid, but a lot of the trolls accounts I see are from .world so people are starting to associate that instance with those kinds of people.

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EnderMB@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Easy, because it’s often home to some extreme and often bizarre opinions. It often makes Reddit seem civil and intellectual.

In the last month alone, I’ve seen:

Downvotes for suggesting that if you were to ask Big Tech to split, they’ll probably just split in a way that keeps them aligned, while cutting unprofitable chunks out.

Downvotes for suggesting that TikTok shouldn’t be banned for being “stupid”, given that most social media is stupid, and people often said that about the shit that many of us grew up with.

Just endless nonsense about how you cannot print with Windows, like at all, while Linux (never stating a distro) “just works”. It’s clear that so many people in the tech community on lemmy.world haven’t used Windows for years.

Crap about LLM’s and how providers like OpenAI are “dumb”, despite the fact that many use grounding and expert systems to guide towards correctness (literally what I work on in my job).

Being so US-centric AND contrarian that you regularly see posts around how “Europe is so much better for this”, when Europe is a fucking continent with separate countries and their own laws/customs.

Posts about how we can get “normies” to use Lemmy

None of the above would happen on Reddit. They’re all signs of communities that are detached from reality, so much so that on Mastodon there are several posts from people that have called Lemmy (basically meaning the “main” instance) out as being toxic and unfriendly compared to other fediverse offerings.
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njordomir@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I want you all to know that I’m happy you’re here, cis het white male frat boy from old wealth with an ivy league education or a neorospicy gay trans Jewish anarcho-communist and everything else out there.

While I won’t judge you on your instance, I will judge you on your ability to be a good neighbor. I’m always glad to see humility, kindness, empathy, comradery, etc. on display.

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x00za@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s the Reddit people.

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eatthecake@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
The instance structure conveniently groups people together and labels them. Stereotyping, bias and tribalism are the natural result.

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nifty@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I don’t find any issues on .world. Yeah some people say dumb stuff, but that’s just the world isn’t it? I am sure there are others who think the same of me. It’s whatever, some people getting mad at .world are just mad they’re not in an echo chamber.

But other people complaining about trolls are right, there’s just no place for that. Report, block and move on. It’s not your job to educate anyone.

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match@pawb.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
I’ve been dunking on .world for a while but that’s because I’m a hipster and y’all are on the MCU instance

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YeetPics@mander.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
“people” aren’t.

Remember two days ago when we learned Russia was spending several billions to sway foreign elections?

Peperidge farm remembers.

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ulkesh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s the most toxic instance I’ve ventured into (and admittedly have this account on). People spread lies and vitriol here about as much as Twitter and Reddit.

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coffee_with_cream@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
Lemmy.world users generally hold ridiculous, unrealistic leftist positions and do not have any concept of people who might have any other more moderate left positions

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celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨months⁩ ago
It’s the biggest instance. They deserve it.

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