Use better screws, don't screw around.
Philips shouldn't exist. Torx plus is the best fight me
Submitted 2 weeks ago by HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to memes@sopuli.xyz
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massive_bereavement@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Anchorxiety@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
arin@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
better screws are torx
massive_bereavement@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Material matters, if you use poorly made screws that's when the head gets blunted.
socsa@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Torx often ends up being the worst of both worlds imo. It grabs too hard and you can easily overdrive it and strip the hole in some material. And you can also still easily strip the head if you don’t get the bit seated all the way. I think the Robinson combo head is the best all around, since you have a Robinson bit for high torque applications and a Phillips bit for low torque and slightly off axis work. And then the “ecx” bit for “I’m going to friction weld this terminal screw shut” applications.
5in1k@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Nah, Robertson. Torx is designed to destroy bits.
MoffKalast@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Better screws are hex. Torx belongs in the bin alongside slotted screws.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Have you been to a lot of hardware stores with different grades of every of the 257 different types and sizes and thicknesses they carry?
prettybunnys@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Years ago when working in a boat shop at a “yachting center” aka “dudes with 20’ sailboats they’ve spent more effort repairing than their marriage” and I had a full wall of hardware.
An old school wooden hardware shelf.
My favorite thing ever in my whole life was being Willy wonka with fasteners and my rolly ladder
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I’ll get the torx universal wood and stone ones, thanks.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I was going to say “don’t screw up”.
xylol@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
Or the right size screwdriver and apply force down onto the screw as you turn
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Doesn’t matter. It’ll still slip and partly strip it. Maybe only 1/5, but people are not machines.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Don’t underestimate the efforts some people are willing to go to.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Hex screws are pretty good, I’ve never had one strip out
Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
They do but you have to really work at it. I see them all the time as set screws on the fans in commercial ovens. Leave a set screw in an oven for years and that bastard will be so profoundly sized that you can round out even a hex screw.
Leviathan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Robertson is the supreme screw!
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Because Philips screws were supposed to cam out, to stop overtightening on airplanes.
Maybe we shouldn’t use Philips screws for non-aviation purposes.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’ve read this was the justification after the fact.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The only reason they’re so common is because of Henry Ford. Ford wanted Robertson screws, but Ford also wanted to make his own screws in-house. Robertson wouldn’t license them, Philips would, the rest is history. Robertson screws are much more common than Philips up in Canada (where they’re from).
Flatfire@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Robbies are a different kind of pain due to metric and imperial sizing
GreenCrunch@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Right but for aircraft we’ve got torque wrenches which can stop overtightening much more accurately.
mamg22@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Also plastic clips on laptops, monitors or any small electronic, pretty much every time I open up something with those clips one of them just snaps apart.
Rooster326@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
That’s different.
That is 100% international
str82L@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And likely intentional
Bytemeister@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Guitar picks. Slip them in the most pliable section of the sea and slid them along. You want the pick mostly pointing up or down so that it slips through the “buckle” of those plastic clips and allows the two parts to slide loose. If the pic gets stuck, flip it the other direction, and the wide end works better than the narrow end.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The problem with using phillips is selecting the correct size. If you have the correct size its much harder strip the threads.
kalpol@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Came here to say this. The correct size and depth bit on a Phillips is a thing of beauty and grace. If you get it the slightest bit wrong (pun yes) God help you and your offspring to 7 generations.
Zorg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
Especially when a similar size will feel like it fits pretty well, until it came out at much less torque than it should.
I’ve picked up a set of anti-slip bits, they are pretty much ribbed so they bite into the screws just enough to cam out a lot less often. Works better than I hoped for maybe $7 for 5 bits in different lengths.
cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Also using good drivers that still have sharp edges.
Still prefer torx for anything more than drywall or door hardware.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
One philips fits multiple sizes. A feature not a bug.
__Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Yes, a #2 phillips will work for #1-3 screw heads, but will easily round over the smaller and larger screws. Using the correct size works much better. Also, getting a slightly more expensive screwdriver with the antislip ridges is a worthwhile investment.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Torx is great until you can’t really see the bolt in question and think you have the right bit but actually it’s slightly small and rounds off the bolt entirely.
It is a good idea in general though.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
As someone who has spent far more time than I want to think about removing screws and bolts that other people fucked, Robertson is the second most popular fastener to get brought to me with Torx in hot pursuit.
Philips head screws that are messed up come in two types. Soft cheese metal versions and the insidious Japanese style that are just ever sooo slightly different and require their own special driver. And most of you can’t tell the difference or even care.
Plus, Y’all buy cheap ass “turn screws” as the British used to call them. When you buy dollar store quality tools you deserve what you get and I don’t feel sorry for you.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Philips and JIS are interchangeable; it’s Pozi that’s not.
MML@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Roberson = square for anyone normal >.>
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Torx plus is different than torx in that the tips are thicker which makes the rounding off much harder to do
Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
But still not impossible. Realize the incompetence of most people.
Soapbox@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Everyone in here hating on philips head screws when old slot head screws are the true enemy.
Krzd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
There’s like 3 use cases for slot heads, and there they’re worth their weight in gold. Everywhere else however? Fuck 'em.
timkenhan@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Slot heads never wear out.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Torx are the enemy.
Soapbox@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Probably a bit extreme, but I do love torx screws. First choice for any project I start for sure.
Folstar@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
Phillips head are the Mercator Projection of screws. Great for their specific purpose that shockingly few people seem to know and bottom tier otherwise, yet widely used anyway.
wraekscadu@vargar.org 2 weeks ago
Which one in your opinion is the best general purpose screw? Basically something that should be the default?
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I use #8 x 2-3in Robertson construction screws for pretty much everything. been doing this for over a decade. hasn’t failed me yet
there are times that a pan head is more suitable or you want a smaller screw, but I just buy the giant buckets if thousands of construction screws and then don’t have to think about buying more. and it’s 1/4 the cost as smaller packages
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unless you have a specific reason to use something else, Robertson (AKA square) heads should be the default
Folstar@lemmus.org 2 weeks ago
My philosophy of screwing is that it is always best to find the right screw for the job, BUT, more often than not, a torx/star 2-1/2in #8-10 ceramic coated screw is going to solve all your problems.
Krzd@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Torx, excluding TX27. Just use 25 or 30. For consumer devices or anything that gets turned by hand Pozidrive is okay, although it sucks if you’re using a drill, and impacts fuck 'em up almost instantly
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 2 weeks ago
Finally! Somebody who’s not a simp for Robertson.
testaccount789@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Why?
Robertson is clearly superior. You’re not going to strip that, and it holds onto the screw better.TheRealKuni@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
Yeah. Robertson plus an impact drill is some of the most fun screwing around one can do that doesn’t involve OP’s mom.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Wanna bet? Robertson is the second most popular screw people want me to remove. The cause is that they can’t be arsed to inspect their tools and replace them when they are worn. It’s the classic “I can do just one more”.
sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Robertson is great though
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 2 weeks ago
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Robertson (square) is the best.
Americans just don’t know how to screw.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Then there’s the Japanese Industry Standard (JIS) Philips, which is different from everything else. Without a JIS driver/bits, the head will strip.
I’m all for Torx and External (Inverted) Torx screws.
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
At least you didn’t leave the toolkit in the rain and almost burn the house down by leaving the soldering iron plugged in for a week.
Yes, I’m still alive.
5in1k@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I fucking hate torx. The bits snap too often because they don’t cam out. Get some arm strength and keep your bit straight and phillips works great
sirico@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
JIS!!!
Nomad@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Use a battery drill with a torque limiter?
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
the next stage is where I show the screw how to transform itself into a puddle
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
Why are they called after the brand of a kitchen blender, anyway? I call it a “plus head”
Zomg@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
Newer drive heads have been invented since then
Malyca@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I try so hard not to overtighten them but always fail
Heikki2@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I read that back in the day when mechinised fastening was needed they didn’t have a way to track the torque on screws. So rather than have the machine over tighten and break the head off the screw, the Philips head would fail first keeping the screw in place
FE80@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
plateee@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
HA! Amateurs.
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PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Looks like the next guys problem.
nexguy@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hey!
JillyB@beehaw.org 2 weeks ago
Tool steel screw and mild steel bit.
degen@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
You don’t need to insult the guy!
needanke@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
Is that how drillbits are born?
Bonus@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
*shorn
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Chinesium
plateee@piefed.social 2 weeks ago
The flextools drill is fine, their bits - not so much. ¯\(ツ)/¯
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
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“Hey bro, I saw that those greedy bastards skimped out on the metal parts. So I fixed that for you bro”