Phillips head are the Mercator Projection of screws. Great for their specific purpose that shockingly few people seem to know and bottom tier otherwise, yet widely used anyway.
Philips shouldn't exist. Torx plus is the best fight me
Submitted 15 hours ago by HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to memes@sopuli.xyz
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Folstar@lemmus.org 1 hour ago
plateee@piefed.social 10 hours ago
FooBarrington@lemmy.world 12 minutes ago
umbrella@lemmy.ml 55 minutes ago
what the fuck
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
Chinesium
PriorityMotif@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Looks like the next guys problem.
nexguy@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Hey!
JillyB@beehaw.org 9 hours ago
Tool steel screw and mild steel bit.
needanke@feddit.org 8 hours ago
Is that how drillbits are born?
Bonus@sopuli.xyz 8 hours ago
*shorn
mamg22@sh.itjust.works 7 hours ago
Also plastic clips on laptops, monitors or any small electronic, pretty much every time I open up something with those clips one of them just snaps apart.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
The problem with using phillips is selecting the correct size. If you have the correct size its much harder strip the threads.
cloudshouter@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
Also using good drivers that still have sharp edges.
Still prefer torx for anything more than drywall or door hardware.
Zorg@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
Especially when a similar size will feel like it fits pretty well, until it came out at much less torque than it should.
I’ve picked up a set of anti-slip bits, they are pretty much ribbed so they bite into the screws just enough to cam out a lot less often. Works better than I hoped for maybe $7 for 5 bits in different lengths.
IndustryStandard@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
One philips fits multiple sizes. A feature not a bug.
__Lost__@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 hours ago
Yes, a #2 phillips will work for #1-3 screw heads, but will easily round over the smaller and larger screws. Using the correct size works much better. Also, getting a slightly more expensive screwdriver with the antislip ridges is a worthwhile investment.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 4 hours ago
Robertson (square) is the best.
Americans just don’t know how to screw.
adhdsergio@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
At this point you’re just asking for a yo mamma joke
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
My momma is Canadian and don’t want no inferior American bits.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Because Philips screws were supposed to cam out, to stop overtightening on airplanes.
Maybe we shouldn’t use Philips screws for non-aviation purposes.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
I’ve read this was the justification after the fact.
GreenCrunch@piefed.blahaj.zone 5 hours ago
Right but for aircraft we’ve got torque wrenches which can stop overtightening much more accurately.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
The only reason they’re so common is because of Henry Ford. Ford wanted Robertson screws, but Ford also wanted to make his own screws in-house. Robertson wouldn’t license them, Philips would, the rest is history. Robertson screws are much more common than Philips up in Canada (where they’re from).
Flatfire@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
Robbies are a different kind of pain due to metric and imperial sizing
Leviathan@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Robertson is the supreme screw!
massive_bereavement@fedia.io 14 hours ago
Use better screws, don't screw around.
Anchorxiety@reddthat.com 13 hours ago
arin@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
better screws are torx
massive_bereavement@fedia.io 13 hours ago
Material matters, if you use poorly made screws that's when the head gets blunted.
socsa@piefed.social 9 hours ago
Torx often ends up being the worst of both worlds imo. It grabs too hard and you can easily overdrive it and strip the hole in some material. And you can also still easily strip the head if you don’t get the bit seated all the way. I think the Robinson combo head is the best all around, since you have a Robinson bit for high torque applications and a Phillips bit for low torque and slightly off axis work. And then the “ecx” bit for “I’m going to friction weld this terminal screw shut” applications.
5in1k@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
Nah, Robertson. Torx is designed to destroy bits.
MoffKalast@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Better screws are hex. Torx belongs in the bin alongside slotted screws.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Have you been to a lot of hardware stores with different grades of every of the 257 different types and sizes and thicknesses they carry?
prettybunnys@piefed.social 10 hours ago
Years ago when working in a boat shop at a “yachting center” aka “dudes with 20’ sailboats they’ve spent more effort repairing than their marriage” and I had a full wall of hardware.
An old school wooden hardware shelf.
My favorite thing ever in my whole life was being Willy wonka with fasteners and my rolly ladder
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 12 hours ago
I’ll get the torx universal wood and stone ones, thanks.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
I was going to say “don’t screw up”.
xylol@leminal.space 10 hours ago
Or the right size screwdriver and apply force down onto the screw as you turn
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Doesn’t matter. It’ll still slip and partly strip it. Maybe only 1/5, but people are not machines.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Don’t underestimate the efforts some people are willing to go to.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 9 hours ago
Hex screws are pretty good, I’ve never had one strip out
Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
They do but you have to really work at it. I see them all the time as set screws on the fans in commercial ovens. Leave a set screw in an oven for years and that bastard will be so profoundly sized that you can round out even a hex screw.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
Then there’s the Japanese Industry Standard (JIS) Philips, which is different from everything else. Without a JIS driver/bits, the head will strip.
I’m all for Torx and External (Inverted) Torx screws.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 9 hours ago
Torx is great until you can’t really see the bolt in question and think you have the right bit but actually it’s slightly small and rounds off the bolt entirely.
It is a good idea in general though.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
As someone who has spent far more time than I want to think about removing screws and bolts that other people fucked, Robertson is the second most popular fastener to get brought to me with Torx in hot pursuit.
Philips head screws that are messed up come in two types. Soft cheese metal versions and the insidious Japanese style that are just ever sooo slightly different and require their own special driver. And most of you can’t tell the difference or even care.
Plus, Y’all buy cheap ass “turn screws” as the British used to call them. When you buy dollar store quality tools you deserve what you get and I don’t feel sorry for you.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 9 hours ago
Philips and JIS are interchangeable; it’s Pozi that’s not.
MML@sh.itjust.works 9 hours ago
Roberson = square for anyone normal >.>
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 hours ago
Torx plus is different than torx in that the tips are thicker which makes the rounding off much harder to do
Bluewing@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
But still not impossible. Realize the incompetence of most people.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
[deleted]boonhet@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
Yes, Apple, a company founded in 1976, invented torx in 1967.
You may be thinking of Apple’s Pentalobe screws, which are inferior to torx and have no real business existing.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 8 hours ago
Americans will do anything to avoid admitting Robertson was earlier, better, and easier to make.
lemming741@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
My experience with Robertson is only electrical stuff made with softer steel. You can really reef on it, but it will hang on to your bit. Nice when you need a second hand, annoying when my 10-in-1 becomes an 8-in-1
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 5 hours ago
Literally no part of your statement is true.
Are you thinking of pentalobe screws? Which also do not have a security variation like you describe? Also Apple made no such claims about being the best force distributor or anything like that. They were very upfront and blatant about it being an anti-repair move and nothing else.
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 11 hours ago
At least you didn’t leave the toolkit in the rain and almost burn the house down by leaving the soldering iron plugged in for a week.
Yes, I’m still alive.
Texas_Hangover@lemmy.radio 15 hours ago
Finally! Somebody who’s not a simp for Robertson.
testaccount789@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Why?
Robertson is clearly superior. You’re not going to strip that, and it holds onto the screw better.TheRealKuni@piefed.social 12 hours ago
Yeah. Robertson plus an impact drill is some of the most fun screwing around one can do that doesn’t involve OP’s mom.
Bluewing@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Wanna bet? Robertson is the second most popular screw people want me to remove. The cause is that they can’t be arsed to inspect their tools and replace them when they are worn. It’s the classic “I can do just one more”.
sudoMakeUser@sh.itjust.works 10 hours ago
Robertson is great though
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 12 hours ago
5in1k@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
I fucking hate torx. The bits snap too often because they don’t cam out. Get some arm strength and keep your bit straight and phillips works great
philipp_@discuss.tchncs.de 4 hours ago
Or get about half a brain and just don’t over tighten your torx screws until they snaps
DarkSurferZA@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Torx drivers are cheap and rubbish, but ooh boy, Philips is the worst.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de 9 hours ago
Check out the Toque Test Channel on Torx drivers. The companies have different patterns for their heads with different advantages and disadvantages.
Philips is bad. Pozi-Drive screw with Philips head is awful.
sirico@feddit.uk 14 hours ago
JIS!!!
kbobabob@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 hours ago
And when some person inevitably uses a phillips on it, it will look like the picture above.
JamesBoeing737MAX@sopuli.xyz 11 hours ago
Why does this exist. Nobody has the driver for it. I could barely find a full size torx I needed for my car.
Malyca@lemmy.zip 6 hours ago
I try so hard not to overtighten them but always fail
diaphragmwp@discuss.tchncs.de 10 hours ago
Why are they called after the brand of a kitchen blender, anyway? I call it a “plus head”
Zomg@piefed.world 11 hours ago
Newer drive heads have been invented since then
Heikki2@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
I read that back in the day when mechinised fastening was needed they didn’t have a way to track the torque on screws. So rather than have the machine over tighten and break the head off the screw, the Philips head would fail first keeping the screw in place
FE80@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works 28 minutes ago
the next stage is where I show the screw how to transform itself into a puddle