Submitted 15 hours ago by VetOfTheSeas@discuss.online to memes@sopuli.xyz
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Devils advocate here.
I/O and storage in those media formats are kinda limited for video games.
Blue-Ray prob has enough storage (at most we could go for multiple disk releases) capacity but still you would have to copy the games to disk.
I think GOG is on right track on this DRM free keep on disk as long as you want no need to check with external servers to play them.
Sony thinking they can just pull a Steam way too late in the game, and with Steam and GOG as competitors 😂
Well, consoles are a pretty closed enviroment. There is no piracy as there is on PC, if still some.
There is a lot of piracy for consoles. It’s just a matter of time.
Yes there is a very simple reason which is massively anti-consumer. Every product competes with it’s own predecessor. Physical products will sooner or later break, movies will sooner or later get boring, same goes for music. But video games are different. People are still playing Tetris and Super Mario 64. You release one good game and the next one has to be better otherwise people will just continue to play the previous one instead of buying the new one. Publishers try to control this aspect. They dont want you to own games only have a license to play. It’s not even a question of “if” they going to take away your older games, but “when”. They want to restrict access to the previous product so you will have to buy the new one. They want full control. Look at Call of Duty. All but, the newest titles are barely playable, and that is done on by design.
Game companies realized their mistakes in making some fun games in the past, and now are trying to make sure nobody can play them.
I also listen to The Doors and watch the dollar trilogy once in a while - music and movies can be timeless too!
Yeah, good music and movies are evergreen. And every so often, some of the old hits get mega popular among new/younger audiences from being randomly featured in a new show
I don’t disagree with that but I suspect you don’t have 1000s of hours of watching the same movie.
And if you can’t top the old game, remaster/remake it is!
You can buy games DRM free on GOG and burn them onto a disk yourself. Or multiple ones, if needed
Shitty copy pasta with AI-generated picture that forgets that software is patched all the time compared to movies and music.
I hate streaming more than anyone, but that sloppy comparison sucks.
A) If you think this is AI generated and are not just making a rage-baiting pun reference, you’re a silly billy wittle buddy who needs to be given a raspberry.
B) Games used to not need patching. Even games that were patched later had an on-disc version you could always install and play. And games were in fact better for it. A game going gold meant something, now it’s just a release day with a 0 day patch to be even slightly functional.
Remember the console days before the Internet grew up? No downloads. No Patches. The games just worked.
Until you got to the sky canyon in twilight princess and the glitch made you start over because there was no way to patch offline games
Games back then had bugs, too, they just never got fixed and everyone pretended they didn’t exist.
And if they didn’t just work, they never got fixed.
I hate AI and all that shit, but I have heard a lot of horror stories from developers who worked on “retro” gaming systems (from the Megadrive/Genesis to the Jaguar). I admire them for all the work they did because it was hard to code, but there are a fuckton of bugs that were sold during the good old days, and no one noticed what was happening because those bugs were never found.
There were lots of games that had multiple release revisions that fixed bugs. Gran Turismo 2’s original versions couldn’t be completed 100% due to a glitch, a reprint ended up fixing it.
This is also why if you go looking for ROMs, you’ll see some games have multiple versions with some differences.
Not only that, but developers back then had to be really deliberate with their decisions due to the tiny size on the media and ram.
That’s the girl from Pragmata isn’t it? Doesn’t scream AI to me
Well, I mean, technically,…
It is! I oddly enough just finished playing thru this scene just a few minutes ago, came in here and was like, huhwhat?!? Diana made a drawing for you and is showing to you for the first time in this scene in the game.
There’s aso no reason physical copy can’t demand to get a validation token from Corporate every time it’s played
Yep, DRM is the problem, not the distribution format.
“Please drink verification can”
key codes that get tied to a non-transferable online account have also been a thing for years.
key codes that get tied to a non-transferable online account have also been a thing for
years.decades.
Sony has always screwed consumers. No idea why anyone buys their products anyway
Remember when Universal Media Discs were not universal and only worked on PSP?
I mean, not always. They mostly did away with bullshit proprietary connectors, did away with their proprietary flash memory cards, and didn’t form a walled garden as putrid as that of Apple.
That being said, nothing is the same anymore. Digital everything will take over, because it’s just cheaper to not burn disks.
They installed those rootkits out of the goodness of their hearts, dammit, they cared about us the whole time and we never showed our appreciation and now look where it got us
Uuuhm, not quite. The Playstation ecosystem absolutely is a walled garden. Their proprietary flash memory cards aren’t a thing anymore because they failed to win against more open standards (SD, microSD) and it would’ve been super expensive to stick with it on their own for no good reason.
I already have more games than I could ever finish in a lifetime — in 10 lifetimes — and they’re all digital, in big folders full of files. If I had those thousands of games in physical form I’d need a library in my house full of shelves to store them all, yet digitally I can carry them all around in my pocket!
Exactly. I absolutely agree with OP that robbing people of the choice to own physical media sucks...
But when not paired with shitty-ass DRM, digital format media can be an absolute boon for games preservation. Easy to backup, takes up barely any physical space, and doesn't require physical hardware to play it that will become increasingly sparce and expensive over time.
If the industry doesn't want to provide legal pathways towards games preservation, then it looks like the pirates are going to start wearing archavist hats too.
This is the correct take. The option should be there for everyone. Lots of folks here are with you, where the practicality of DRM-free digital format media is more important. To people like me, collecting physical media is a hobby itself. I probably spend more time shopping for records and equipment than listening to them, for example, though of course I do listen to them as well. I used to be the same with games, which is why I have a ton of OG Xbox and 360 discs, and for movies I have a bunch of blu-rays and DVDs. Yeah, it’s hard to find space for it all but that challenge is part of the fun, at least for me. Plus it can work as interior decor too. And I know I’m not alone, CD sales are the highest they’ve been in over 20 years, and I’m sure other formats are similar. But again, having the choice for DRM-free digital is also important. Taking away our choice is bad for us all.
Or digital downloads without the killswitch (DRM)
Fuck valve. Oh I forgot they get a pass.
Don’t expect G*mers to be consistent in their opinions.
Even when Steam delists games, you still have access to it, even after twenty years.
The content you bought? Sony removed your access after a few years.
Oh yeah let’s just hate on every store front ever even if they haven’t really done something wrong!
If we’re not going to reward good behaviour, what are we doing here?? Valve might as well go to shit and fuck everyone for a little more profit if everybody’s going to shit on them anyway just for existing.
Yes they do, because they actually take the care to craft a genuinely awesome user experience. Unlike, I dont know, what seems like literally every other company nowadays
Cope. Can I sell if? Then I don’t own it.
Lol exactly! “The good billionaire”, hypocrites… I wish people were so determined to protest about healthcare and where they’re tax money goes… But mess with they’re pacifying reality escapism media and they’re all pumped… Not a single word about the environment and microplastics… I wish this was a psyop of some kind but I guess people are really dumb.
I just wander what would be like Steam with Valve bandcamp style physical merch selection. haven’t cheched but atleast itch.io wont forbid to put link to their physical merch store?
Control and greed are reasons!
it’s about consolidation, control and the ability to control dynamic pricing
Dynamic pricing is basically enshittification of the modern internet age capitalism as a whole.
Time to go back to barter
Oh man, I can’t wait to pick up a copy of Project Hail Mary on VHS. I’m sure that will be widely available and easy to purchase
I mean, vinyl and cassettes for music are still made, sure, but they are usually limited run collectors items; not something you can just buy everywhere for every album that gets released. Even new CDs aren’t exactly easy to come by.
The onlt time I see BluRays or DVDs anymore of movies I have actually heard of, is at a thrift store.
Is a bit wild how they remembered to put down vinyls and even cassettes, but forgot DVDs and VHS tapes which are very arguably bigger household names than Blu-ray.
Also, literally all millenials were born before 2000. And many of them (myself included) grew up with VHS and DVD.
See how they bury me
Blu-Ray is pertinent here because it is a Sony product
But they could have mentioned other formats too - would it have made the argument any better? Absolutely not, but sure, go ahead and yell at clouds
ootl?
Sony recently announced they’ll stop making discs for Playstations in 2028.
especially since the relative cost of drives compared to GPU, SSD and RAM is falling fast. It’s probably the cheapest of them already.
They often need updates from online sources, so what’s the point
Gam*rs when their vidya isn’t creating an ocean’s worth of plastic waste.
G*mers after killing physical brick and mortar stores by buying digital only for decades.
wewbull@feddit.uk 2 hours ago
They should have moved to USB keys a long time ago. Make them big and call them cartridges if you want, but optical discs are far too slow.
purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 1 hour ago
Can you imagine if video game prices were affected by the memory shortages?
But is this not how switch1 games were, just read only sdcards with the game on them.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 hour ago
And loud. And fragile.
Thumbdrives have a firmware, you could easily make them read-only. And also add your inconvenient DRM snake oil if you will.