There’s aso no reason physical copy can’t demand to get a validation token from Corporate every time it’s played
Sony
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nymnympseudonym@piefed.social 1 month ago
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
Yep, DRM is the problem, not the distribution format.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
“Please drink verification can”
adarza@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
key codes that get tied to a non-transferable online account have also been a thing for years.
Sturgist@piefed.ca 1 month ago
key codes that get tied to a non-transferable online account have also been a thing for
years.decades.
wewbull@feddit.uk 1 month ago
They should have moved to USB keys a long time ago. Make them big and call them cartridges if you want, but optical discs are far too slow.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
And loud. And fragile.
Thumbdrives have a firmware, you could easily make them read-only. And also add your inconvenient DRM snake oil if you will.
ohulancutash@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Thumb drives also have very poor retention. If they aren’t used at least every few years the storage becomes corrupted.
purplemonkeymad@programming.dev 1 month ago
Can you imagine if video game prices were affected by the memory shortages?
But is this not how switch1 games were, just read only sdcards with the game on them.
prettybunnys@piefed.social 1 month ago
Nintendo loves a cartridge, and goddamnit sticking with them was right.
one_old_coder@piefed.social 1 month ago
Shitty copy pasta with AI-generated picture that forgets that software is patched all the time compared to movies and music.
I hate streaming more than anyone, but that sloppy comparison sucks.
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 1 month ago
A) If you think this is AI generated and are not just making a rage-baiting pun reference, you’re a silly billy wittle buddy who needs to be given a raspberry.
B) Games used to not need patching. Even games that were patched later had an on-disc version you could always install and play. And games were in fact better for it. A game going gold meant something, now it’s just a release day with a 0 day patch to be even slightly functional.
SomeRandomNoob@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Remember the console days before the Internet grew up? No downloads. No Patches. The games just worked.
ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Until you got to the sky canyon in twilight princess and the glitch made you start over because there was no way to patch offline games
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social 1 month ago
Games back then had bugs, too, they just never got fixed and everyone pretended they didn’t exist.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
And if they didn’t just work, they never got fixed.
one_old_coder@piefed.social 1 month ago
I hate AI and all that shit, but I have heard a lot of horror stories from developers who worked on “retro” gaming systems (from the Megadrive/Genesis to the Jaguar). I admire them for all the work they did because it was hard to code, but there are a fuckton of bugs that were sold during the good old days, and no one noticed what was happening because those bugs were never found.
blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
There were lots of games that had multiple release revisions that fixed bugs. Gran Turismo 2’s original versions couldn’t be completed 100% due to a glitch, a reprint ended up fixing it.
This is also why if you go looking for ROMs, you’ll see some games have multiple versions with some differences.
_chris@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Not only that, but developers back then had to be really deliberate with their decisions due to the tiny size on the media and ram.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Games used to be much more simple too, and easier to test and fix.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today 1 month ago
That’s the girl from Pragmata isn’t it? Doesn’t scream AI to me
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com 1 month ago
Well, I mean, technically,…
perishthethought@piefed.social 1 month ago
It is! I oddly enough just finished playing thru this scene just a few minutes ago, came in here and was like, huhwhat?!? Diana made a drawing for you and is showing to you for the first time in this scene in the game.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 1 month ago
Fun fact: you can just make the games download the patches later on your computer or use a storage device that is RW and write the patched game on the storage the device the game is shipped on
M137@lemmy.today 1 month ago
It’s not an AI-generared picture.
ransomwarelettuce@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Devils advocate here.
I/O and storage in those media formats are kinda limited for video games.
Blue-Ray prob has enough storage (at most we could go for multiple disk releases) capacity but still you would have to copy the games to disk.
I think GOG is on right track on this DRM free keep on disk as long as you want no need to check with external servers to play them.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 month ago
^
I see a whole lot of theoretical “what if platforms did this or that,” when GoG is already doing it right.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it 1 month ago
I see no problem with multiple discs tbh, also, we forget that thumbdrivers, sd cards, SSDs etc etc exist…
chonglibloodsport@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I already have more games than I could ever finish in a lifetime — in 10 lifetimes — and they’re all digital, in big folders full of files. If I had those thousands of games in physical form I’d need a library in my house full of shelves to store them all, yet digitally I can carry them all around in my pocket!
Th4tGuyII@fedia.io 1 month ago
Exactly. I absolutely agree with OP that robbing people of the choice to own physical media sucks...
But when not paired with shitty-ass DRM, digital format media can be an absolute boon for games preservation. Easy to backup, takes up barely any physical space, and doesn't require physical hardware to play it that will become increasingly sparce and expensive over time.
If the industry doesn't want to provide legal pathways towards games preservation, then it looks like the pirates are going to start wearing archavist hats too.
forestbeasts@pawb.social 1 month ago
The pirates have been wearing archivist hats for a good while now, I think. At least in the movie space.
– Frost
BurntWits@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
This is the correct take. The option should be there for everyone. Lots of folks here are with you, where the practicality of DRM-free digital format media is more important. To people like me, collecting physical media is a hobby itself. I probably spend more time shopping for records and equipment than listening to them, for example, though of course I do listen to them as well. I used to be the same with games, which is why I have a ton of OG Xbox and 360 discs, and for movies I have a bunch of blu-rays and DVDs. Yeah, it’s hard to find space for it all but that challenge is part of the fun, at least for me. Plus it can work as interior decor too. And I know I’m not alone, CD sales are the highest they’ve been in over 20 years, and I’m sure other formats are similar. But again, having the choice for DRM-free digital is also important. Taking away our choice is bad for us all.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Also the same reason im never getting pressured into buying a game that’s too expensive or just plain DRM ridden.
Sibbo@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
You can buy games DRM free on GOG and burn them onto a disk yourself. Or multiple ones, if needed
auzy1@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Sony has always screwed consumers. No idea why anyone buys their products anyway
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Remember when Universal Media Discs were not universal and only worked on PSP?
SpraynardKruger@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I remember when I got a PSP in middle school, I thought everything was going to start using UMDs eventually since they were “universal”.
Everything about the PSP looked so high tech because it could display graphics close to PS2 quality, played tiny disks, had a wide screen, and somehow fit 32 whole megabites on a little memory card.
yardratianSoma@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I mean, not always. They mostly did away with bullshit proprietary connectors, did away with their proprietary flash memory cards, and didn’t form a walled garden as putrid as that of Apple.
That being said, nothing is the same anymore. Digital everything will take over, because it’s just cheaper to not burn disks.
Natanox@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
Uuuhm, not quite. The Playstation ecosystem absolutely is a walled garden. Their proprietary flash memory cards aren’t a thing anymore because they failed to win against more open standards (SD, microSD) and it would’ve been super expensive to stick with it on their own for no good reason.
VoteNixon2016@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
They installed those rootkits out of the goodness of their hearts, dammit, they cared about us the whole time and we never showed our appreciation and now look where it got us
SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Or digital downloads without the killswitch (DRM)
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 month ago
The fundamental difference is that when you buy those formats, you are getting a final product. Nobody is stopping your disc in the middle, to ask if you want to download the special remix of this song, or a deleted scene.
Video games are now constantly upselling, and they can’t do that if the consumer is isolated on their PC.
makeshift0546@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Fuck valve. Oh I forgot they get a pass.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Even when Steam delists games, you still have access to it, even after twenty years.
The content you bought? Sony removed your access after a few years.
MrKoyun@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes they do, because they actually take the care to craft a genuinely awesome user experience. Unlike, I dont know, what seems like literally every other company nowadays
makeshift0546@lemmy.today 1 month ago
Cope. Can I sell if? Then I don’t own it.
Jimbo@pawb.social 1 month ago
Oh yeah let’s just hate on every store front ever even if they haven’t really done something wrong!
If we’re not going to reward good behaviour, what are we doing here?? Valve might as well go to shit and fuck everyone for a little more profit if everybody’s going to shit on them anyway just for existing.
courval@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Lol exactly! “The good billionaire”, hypocrites… I wish people were so determined to protest about healthcare and where they’re tax money goes… But mess with they’re pacifying reality escapism media and they’re all pumped… Not a single word about the environment and microplastics… I wish this was a psyop of some kind but I guess people are really dumb.
inconel@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I just wander what would be like Steam with Valve bandcamp style physical merch selection. haven’t cheched but atleast itch.io wont forbid to put link to their physical merch store?
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Don’t expect G*mers to be consistent in their opinions.
khaleer@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
well, music and movies do not weight several hundred GB of data… but that’s also modern games problem.
desmosthenes@lemmy.world 1 month ago
it’s about consolidation, control and the ability to control dynamic pricing
terranoid@lemmy.cafe 1 month ago
Dynamic pricing is basically enshittification of the modern internet age capitalism as a whole.
Time to go back to barter
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Fuck optical media.
MrShankles@reddthat.com 1 month ago
Why? What storage do you think works better?
username123@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
They want games on vinyl, or maybe 8-tracks. Maybe metal cylinders. Jk it’s probably cartridges (hopefully).
orca@orcas.enjoying.yachts 1 month ago
Sony thinking they can just pull a Steam way too late in the game, and with Steam and GOG as competitors 😂
TotallyWorthLife@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Well, consoles are a pretty closed enviroment. There is no piracy as there is on PC, if still some.
Sabrinamycarpet@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
There is a lot of piracy for consoles. It’s just a matter of time.
Datz@szmer.info 1 month ago
That’s a point against Sony, specifically being a closed system. Having to buy games on Sony’s store requires getting a PS5/6 in the first place, but why get one when PCs are open, and usable if Valve goes rogue too?
trainsrkool@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
ootl?
grozzle@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Sony recently announced they’ll stop making discs for Playstations in 2028.
trainsrkool@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
ahhh thats som bs! cant have anythin nice in this world 😒
homes@piefed.world 1 month ago
qarbone@lemmy.world 1 month ago
You’re right! We should stop doing that other stuff too!
–CEOs, probably
gray@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
They often need updates from online sources, so what’s the point
mavu@discuss.tchncs.de 1 month ago
especially since the relative cost of drives compared to GPU, SSD and RAM is falling fast. It’s probably the cheapest of them already.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t want Blu-ray, they’re annoying unless someone has cracked them, which only happens for some titles.
Dvd is completely cracked and much more convenient.
bunnybunny@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
I’m guessing the PS6 will jailbroken rather quickly
Janx@piefed.social 1 month ago
Control and greed are reasons!
Telodzrum@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Gam*rs when their vidya isn’t creating an ocean’s worth of plastic waste.
Mwa@thelemmy.club 1 month ago
well ig games still being on CDS today are either for Console or is still small enough to fit.
antrosapien@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
Yes, there’s a reason, and the reason is “lin mus go up”
Smaile@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
as long as i get an unlocked version of the files, im happy, but if i don’t, to the great seas i go, tho i still buy. i just have a ‘backup’ in case anything happens.
LouNeko@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yes there is a very simple reason which is massively anti-consumer. Every product competes with it’s own predecessor. Physical products will sooner or later break, movies will sooner or later get boring, same goes for music. But video games are different. People are still playing Tetris and Super Mario 64. You release one good game and the next one has to be better otherwise people will just continue to play the previous one instead of buying the new one. Publishers try to control this aspect. They dont want you to own games only have a license to play. It’s not even a question of “if” they going to take away your older games, but “when”. They want to restrict access to the previous product so you will have to buy the new one. They want full control. Look at Call of Duty. All but, the newest titles are barely playable, and that is done on by design.
shpuncle@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
I also listen to The Doors and watch the dollar trilogy once in a while - music and movies can be timeless too!
Carnelian@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Yeah, good music and movies are evergreen. And every so often, some of the old hits get mega popular among new/younger audiences from being randomly featured in a new show
LouNeko@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t disagree with that but I suspect you don’t have 1000s of hours of watching the same movie.
illi@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
And if you can’t top the old game, remaster/remake it is!
DupaCycki@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Game companies realized their mistakes in making some fun games in the past, and now are trying to make sure nobody can play them.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
That’s also why im a patient gamer, like i really dont care if i cant play the newest games, i could have only played chess my whole life and been happy. So sometimes i wait five years to play a game because it was really expensive at release DRM whatever. Who cares, im still playing games from the 1990s once in a while, ill be fine not paying $80 for the new AAA games on release.
LouNeko@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I still haven’t finished the story of GTA V.