This is what happens when their only competitor is a mindless Microslop.
Nintendo carved out their niche and Sony has no chance against them in that market after abandoning AAA and AA single player games in favor of trash service games.
End of an era?
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rafoix@lemmy.zip 18 hours ago
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 13 hours ago
as long as people buy the mainline games like pokemon, and some other well know IP mario and friends,etc. nintendo isnt going to lose customers, eventhough some of them have become slop over the years.
rafoix@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
Nintendo makes good AA and AAA games just like they did decades ago.
They don’t believe in discounts or quality analog sticks but their game design is still solid.
renrenPDX@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
Ahhh, remember this PS4 promo video (YouTube for sharing physical games vs Xbox)? Pepperidge Farm does.
Ydna@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Shots were fired via that ad.
GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Little did the Luddites who applauded this realise that they were signing their own fate.
Xbox One’s digital plans were amazing. Luddites and Sony fanboys just couldn’t understand that an all digital future was inevitable, and actively fought against the only company that was bringing the benefits of physical copies to digital.
Sabrinamycarpet@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
You are ignoring the fact that these plans were made over a decade ago. You really expect MS to keep their promise when after watching Sony do this?
thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Just get a console they said. Console just works they said. Why get a PC when it won’t work in a year they said.
This is why I don’t buy consoles. I can use a controller on my computer which is upgradable and not subject to one individual company dictating what I can and can’t do.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
Why get a PC when it won’t work in a year they said.
Interesting because my Steam digital purchases go back to 2007 and I can still play them all.
My first digital purchase was the Orange Box and my second purchase was Psychonauts.
I had purchased Half Life 2 as a physical copy and it still works, too.
Sure they’re all just licenses, but a lot of effort has been put into me being able to continue playing them, including on Linux.
Yes, Valve is a different story because they’re a private company, but 20 years of license when I could play on any computer I owned at any time I think is showing that digital licensing isn’t inherently evil as much as it is widely abused for control.
limer@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
If steam changed ownership and control, there is nothing stopping the new people from doing things similar to other big companies.
Many games are potentially a heart attack away from loss of access
Vipsu@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
They’re actually not just licenses. When you download a game from steam you get the game data. You can back up this gamedata if you wish. Sure it will have steam DRM but thats something onrme may get around one way or another.
This is the power of open platform like PC
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
Orange Box was my first digital purchase too!
sorelight@lemmus.org 7 hours ago
I’m gonna miss them as they were the only way of playing paid games via Playstation 4 since you couldn’t buy digital games via PS Store if you were living in an unavailable country.
AlexNorris@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
Console really is hitting checklist of media subscription like apple
64bithero@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Time to double down on retro gaming and buying second hand. Industry wants to burn I say let it.
marighost@piefed.social 1 day ago
Plenty of old, cheap games and consoles to pick up second hand. Don’t need PlayStation’s slop.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
The carts, discs, and hardware will unfortunately eventually stop working, but fortunately most of them can also be emulated on PC really well, sometimes better looking than on original hardware.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
that’s what i hate the most about this. “retro gaming and second hand” works now because everything was physical back then, and could be preserved. what will the people of the future have of us? nothing but memories of what will then be a digital graveyard. most of it unpreserved, even through piracy, because consoles are getting harder and harder to hack and emulate and companies are getting more and more litigious.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
They’ll get to read the plot synopsis on wikipedia
GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Eh, everything PS3/360 generation and earlier is basically available at perfect emulation, or definitely will be soon because of the existing emulators and their development.
95% of all games from the PS/Xbox generations since then have been on PC from day 1. Almost all of the Xbox first party games have been on PC since then as well. The switch has been emulated perfectly for ages.
This realistically leaves only a handful of Sony first party PS4 and PS5 games left, and the switch 2 which only just came out.
n1ck_n4m3@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
Playstation customer since my first job at McDonalds let me buy the original first model PSX, all the way through the PS5 — fuuuuuuuuck you Sony. I’ve got a PC and you can eat 10 tons of my shit right now with this and your cancellation of PC support. We’ll see who wins.
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 hours ago
Consoles were always a walled garden from the very start, very purposefully so, and those things tend to squeeze customers once captured with higher prices and, sooner or later, fully enshittify.
So when consoles originally appeared I just kept gaming on the PC because it was an open platform and the only console I ever had was a WII (the original one) because their controller was at the time innovative, and honestly it wasn’t really worth it.
Then, specifically for the PlayStation there’s Sony, who have a long track record of anti-consumer actions that started when their leadership stopped coming from the Engineering Division and started coming from their Media Division (after they bought a Movie studio in the US), from their electronics becoming locked down and restrictive for users (they’re the ones who came up with Blu-Ray, which was way more locked down to block copying than DVDs were) to the infamous shipping of music CDs with rootkits (the “Sony Rootkit” scandal)
So this increasing enshittification of the PlayStation isn’t at all surprising and suspect it will get even worse than this. Ultimately I think the PlayStation platform will simply die.
LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 7 hours ago
PC games are pretty much locked down to the original purchaser. Console games could be bought and sold used. Once I was done with a console generation I just sold everything on ebay and made back a bunch of my money (especially since I bought most of it used as well).
PC games are a whole different beast. But now that most console games are locked to an account… there’s really no benefit of them anymore. Just get a PC for your living room and install SteamOS (or similar).
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 hours ago
Back in the era of physical media PC games too could be bought and sold used (though only some: it really boiled down to whether it used phone-home DRM or not, something which in the PC world was all over the place).
But yeah, you were right that console games could be bought and sold used in a much more standardized way, whilst that wasn’t really a value proposition in the PC were such possibility was not at all a standard feature of PC games and it wasn’t really reliably supported in the broader ecosystem (for example, with game store not buying back used PC games as they often did for console games).
Naturally, as a unique value proposition (vs PC games) used as bait to get users inside the console walled garden in earlier days, this feature was taken away from users.
Personally I always thought that in the PC world the absence of this was balanced by games being a lot cheaper and even piracy for those for whom even so games weren’t cheap enough and in the long run, as we see, the “much cheaper” part is being way harder for PC publishers to try and undo (they’ve definitely tried of late, and IMHO it’s failing which is why AAA game publisher are bitching and moaning that their market share is falling) than the used console games market was, and the piracy part is even harder.
If there’s one think I learned early on in Tech as a professional already back in the 90s is that in the mid and long term sticking to open tech will save you from getting squeezed, both as a professional when choosing 3rd party tech stacks and as a consumer.
naevaTheRat@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
consoles predate gaming pcs and likely your existence. Your comment’s spirit is not false but it is a lie. do better
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 hours ago
If you go by the definition of “console” than includes things like the ZX Spectrum or the Amiga, then you are partly correct as all home computing started with such “consoles” (and then there was a time when it’s pretty much all PCs, and then came the modern consoles which are the ones I was talking about).
LemmyTellYou@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
I’m not one of those people who pretends they will play a physical disc game for the rest of their life
I do however like physical for two reasons. Firstly, the price, how tf can you justify charging more when you are cutting out all of the middlemen and listing on your own online store. Secondly, resale. I can buy a game, play it and resell.
If the tradeoff on going digital was that games were 50% cheaper, then I’d be happy. I wouldn’t have to hoard games and I’d have the convenience of digital.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
Just like self checkout. I’m now doing the work of an employee. So I’ll ring up everything as an apple now, can’t fire me.
GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Bet the Sony fanboys wish they didn’t make so much fun of the Xbox one’s digital plans now. Xbox’s digital plan had:
- digital reselling
- digital game lending
- retail pricing competition
PlayStation buyers will definitely not get the first 2, and Sony will likely prevent the third.
“Arrogant sony” is well and truly back.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Yeah. The Xbox One’s initial digital library plans were actually pretty compelling. The ability to lend and sell licenses was actually pretty neat, but they had to cancel it with the backlash to the announcement that you’d have a license code tied to the disc.
Honestly, if Xbox had ditched physical entirely that generation instead of causing the confusion around requiring the digital license despite having a disc I think it would have been better-received. That or going to a 2-tiered system where you had to have the disc in the machine to play games that hadn’t initially been a digital download.
Oh, and ditching the Kinnect bullshit.
GolfFoxtrotLima@ani.social 6 hours ago
Yet another common PlayStation L
shweddy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Yea the era of giving the “big 3” any of my money
VexLogic@feddit.online 1 day ago
Really scary to see where the industry is headed! I’ve started purchasing games on GOG whenever possible so as to put my money towards an actually good source in the industry but it doesn’t feel like enough.
These companies are constantly pushing the boundaries of what they can get away with and it feels like we just gotta take it at this point.
I especially feel bad for the console gamers as they have very little options to get around this and switching to PC is unfortunately more expensive than ever.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
and it feels like we just gotta take it at this point.
Either that or become tech-savvy enough for 🏴☠️
VexLogic@feddit.online 1 day ago
Yeah, doable for us on PC but a much higher barrier for entry for those on console
Ashtear@piefed.social 16 hours ago
Now that PC gaming is at feature parity with console gaming, I think it’s particularly important to tell people how available DRM-free gaming is. No, it’s not going to be common in the AAA segment of your library, but it’s a lot of games. And you’ll never have to worry about it being pulled from your library.
The price of hardware is a pain point for sure, but if you’re able to see past that, you’ll be spending less over a generation on PC than you would on a console between not having to pay for online service, dramatically cheaper gamepad/accessory options, and a massive library of quality games at $30 or less.
VexLogic@feddit.online 16 hours ago
Say it louder for the people in the back!!!
I agree 100% friend 😁
MushuChupacabra@piefed.world 1 day ago
I was an XBox guy, and didn’t get into Playstation at all. But it was always clear that they were excellent consoles. At a certain income level back in the day, you’d get an XBox or a Playstation, but not both. If you had a smidgen more money to spend, Nintendo had you covered.
I have no emotional fealty to Playstation in any way, but what a shame to see all three formerly awesome systems now competing to see who can enshitify more effectively.
KC_Royalz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I had a PlayStation and PlayStation 2. Was a huge twisted metal fan. Xbox came out some friends got that. Halo was fun. What made me switch to Xbox was strictly fears of war. The few of my friends that were still PlayStation fans switched to the 360 almost immediately after playing gears.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I can’t believe Nintendo seems the least shitty of the 3 currently. At least they sell portable licenses via game key cards.
REDACTED@infosec.pub 1 day ago
If you had a smidgen more money to spend, Nintendo had you covered.
I always assumed Nintendo stuff is cheaper since it looks like indie games and not anywhere close to the games you could play on consoles. Huh, TIL.
LemmyTellYou@lemmy.cafe 1 day ago
There is no world where Nintendo had you covered
Their hardware and systems, particularly any online connectivity is 20hrs behind. They’ve also be the shittiest of them all with price hikes
RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Nintendo wasn’t always like that. Every Nintendo console before the GameCube was the most powerful console of its generation. The GameCube was second most powerful behind Xbox but ahead of PS2. But like the N64, Nintendo made the GameCube with a fatal flaw that caused a severe limitation that was completely unnecessary: the game sotrage media.
For the N64, it was the choice to not use disks and thus were limited to only 64MB at most of game filesize, but the GameCube had disks. Except they were those stupid tiny ones that only held like 1.5GB instead of a normal sized disks at the time which held up to 8GB.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 16 hours ago
Media rights expiring surely isn’t on them.
Someone8765210932@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
We aren’t talking about some small indie movie website here. Sony should have never signed a deal that would force them to take away their customers purchased movies if a contract ran out. If that’s not possible either don’t sign any deal at all or only offer rental. Simple, as long as you’re not greedy and make promises you can’t keep.
Now that they apparently have to claw back those purchased movies, the least they could do is to refund everyone their money. If you can rent movies, they could also only refund the difference between renting and buying.
Passerby6497@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Maybe not, but the fact that customers who thought they purchased a movie are having it stolen from them with the excuse that the license ran out IS their fault, 100%.
Sony chose to advertise items for sale that indicated that their customer was buying the movie, not renting it for the lifetime of the license. From a consumer point of view, it doesn’t matter whose fault the license expired, because Sony is at fault for misleading storefront and advertising. They knew the terms of the license, and chose to advertise the product in ways that were absolutely not in line with what the customer thought they got vs what they actually got.
There is no world in which Sony does not take fault in this. Well, outside of a courtroom anyway, because media owners can do as they want in our current copyright hellscape. In any sane world, this would be seen as the theft it is. In this world, it’s just a Tuesday.
omarfw@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Why can’t they renew them?
DarkMetatron@feddit.org 13 hours ago
Well they could, but that would cost them money
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 hours ago
Second point isnt that?
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca 14 hours ago
What is it then?
13igTyme@piefed.social 1 day ago
The price increase part is sort of out of their hands. They are a small player in the chip game.
Other parts are all them all shit.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The removal of digital media is also out of their hands. They agreed to a distribution contract. The entity that owns that media offered a conditional license in that distribution agreement. Now they are either choosing not to renew or choosing to cancel the agreement and legally Sony don’t have a choice except to be sued if they continue to allow people to access that digital content.
I agree it’s shitty. I agree that it’s a crazy thing to have happen when you’re dropping the news about doing away with physical media. But it’s still not really in their control.
feannag@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I guess you could argue that they negotiated a shit contract. They should have had the right to sell a perpetual license to the media. When the contract runs out, they just can’t sell it anymore, but they don’t have to pull it from those that had purchased it.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus 1 day ago
The consumers contract for the content is with sony, not with someone else. The underlying structure doesn’t interest anyone except lawyers. Sony should be mandated to refund content that they pull from libraries, or they have to ensure that they don’t lose access to the content they are “selling”. Also, it should be enshrined in law that if you only get a licence that can be pulled anytime that this information is very, very clear when paying for content, and not to hide this information on page 23 or so in their licence agreement, where they redefine the meaning of buy, own, purchase… and so on to something that very much has NOT the meaning of those words.
Prove_your_argument@piefed.social 1 day ago
I’ve been picking up game consoles for my whole life. I decided before the NS2 was announced that I was done picking up game consoles. Now there is absolutely zero chance of me picking up a ps6, it’s just not acceptable to do this.
They all want you to go to digital storefronts because they get a bigger cut of the pie and you cannot use anyone else’s copy. Soon we’ll see them remove activating two consoles on one account entirely and possibly the offline capability as well. They want to make sure you drink your verification cans to keep playing, they just haven’t gotten there yet.
Erna_muse@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
Really what needs to happen is a few companies consolidate regional dev talent and become software companies.
If I was sony I’d bet on steamos. Nintendo would be in the best position if their games weren’t locked to their systems. Because their wheel house is low spec games that could run on anything.
ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 1 day ago
Nintendo winning this console generation with the Switch 2 was not on my bingo card.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 23 hours ago
bless@lemmy.ml 23 hours ago
Nintendo being the best option for a consumer (from a legal perspective) was not on my bingo card
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 22 hours ago
Why bother with consoles anymore? PCs are so much better
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 23 hours ago
Nintendo shut down the e-shop for the 3DS. All the digital games you owned? Gone.
They’re part of the problem.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org 22 hours ago
The 3DS is very easy to jailbreak. Highly recommend it. Just in case anyone needs to hear this.
Cintari@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Incorrect, the 3DS eshop is still online. Digital games can still be re-downloaded, you just can’t buy new ones. The same is true for Wii, DSi, and Wii U.
GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
The digital games you own are still playable.
GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
Why not? They kicked everyone’s arse with the Switch 1.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
They need to up their exclusive game…game. Other than DK Banaza, their output has been disappointing. I only got a Switch 2 now because it’s only going to get more expensive and I’m hoping for quality exclusives in the next 6 or so years that they’ll be supporting it.
ThunderComplex@lemmy.today 1 day ago
You do realize the Switch 2 already has more exclusives than the PS5, right?
infinitesunrise@slrpnk.net 1 day ago
I guess we’re never gonna get to see that super futuristic PS9 that was envisioned back in that old PS2 commercial.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It’ll just be a terminal that connects to Sony’s servers.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
TwinTitans@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Bye PlayStation. It’s been a good run, but you’re dead to me now.
kalapala@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
2030 declares bankruptcy.
Goodeye8@piefed.social 1 day ago
Nah. Sony will stick around, Playstation will die, Microsoft kills Xbox and everyone will complain about Steam being a monopoly despite their competition choosing to shoot themselves in the foot and dying all on their own.
GoatSynagogue@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
PlayStation won’t die lol. The overwhelmingly large majority of PlayStation console owners buy digital games exclusively. They have a massive dedicated fan base who will buy whatever they release and defend it to their last breath too.
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 day ago
we can only hope
viral.vegabond@piefed.social 1 day ago
Sony goes bankrupt, so does xbox. Nintendo becomes the megacorporation it always wanted to be.
GMac@feddit.org 1 day ago
This is Sony though, they care so much about playstation customers they even went to the effort of updating the ps3 firmware in March this year to improve things for their customers.
I mean it would be crazy to suggest they would do that for a console they discontinued a decade ago just to try and fuck with people who have the temerity to run custom firmware on hardware they bought and paid for 20 years ago…
Sony business logic is fucked.
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
The updates were for the BluRay licenses they do it on a schedule. You can easily still play online even with pirated games
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Microsoft is killing their software while Sony kills the hardware and marketplace. This looks like the end of the console generation with the only device left being a handheld by Nintendo.
nuko147@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The gonna release PS6 without any physical media option, don’t they? Their PS5 digital edition was only a market test.
flandish@lemmy.world 1 day ago
it’s like they want us to own …. nothing. hrm.
adarza@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
sony probably figures they can get away with pulling all this shit since what else ya gonna do? buy a new gaming pc? at literally double or more what they cost last summer?
mrsilkworm@piefed.social 1 day ago
Even with the high prices you can still build a decent AM4 based PC and play titles bought on GOG which is DRM free. If you install Linux you all get one of the best is for free. If you want to go further you can emulate the heck of old consoles and old PC games and have tons of fun. You could also sail the high seas for content that has DRM and/or is very expensive. Don’t forget. If you don’t own what you buy the piracy is ethical and justified. After akk, piracy is mostly a service problem and when you enshitify a service you end up FAFO.
lechekaflan@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
This only reinforces the reasons why I bought a PC for gaming instead of a console.
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com 1 day ago
I don’t pay $70 for a game I can’t even sell after using it.