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• DaddleDew@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Lobster, caviar, mussels, oysters, sushi, ribs, fondue, raclette… They all started as poor poeple’s dishes

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  • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    And only became associated with luxury due to the insane costs of producing and shipping them at scale. Well, for the seafood anyways.

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    • Zombie@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Don’t forget the scarcity through over extracting! Nothing says luxury like near extinction.

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    • loutr@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Shipping used to be the hard part. Eating caviar in Russia in a place with sturgeons nearby was easy enough, serving it at a fancy diner in Berlin or Paris involved insane logistics for the time.

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  • TheGreatRapsBeat@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Mussels, oysters and lobster (prawns as well) really pisses me off. Lobster costing like $30-40 a fucking tail is absolutely insane. They are pretty much the rabbits or rats of the ocean.

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    • DaddleDew@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      May I presume you live far from where lobsters are found? In places local to where they’re caught they are no where near that expensive. Transporting live lobster is probably far more expensive than most other foods.

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  • 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    “Tricksy little scrooges, they stole it from us.”

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  • blackjam_alex@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Pizza

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    • diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      its one of the best things in life 👍

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  • Drusas@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Mussels, at least, are still fairly cheap. For now.

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• Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Puttanesca was invented by prostitutes. It’s a sort of stew/ragout with seafood anchovies and olives, served on spaghetti

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  • Sonotsugipaa@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Checks out, “pasta alla puttanesca” literally translates to “whore-style pasta”

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    • Akasazh@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

      Why not whore-ish

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    • diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Love me some whore dish 🤤

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    • luxadazy@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      i learned this from a children’s book (series of unfortunate events)

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  • Beacon@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    According to a websearch that's dubious

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    • Agent641@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Never let the truth get in the way of a good story

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• AeonFelis@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Hypothesis - rich people’s food tastes good when made from top quality ingredients by top quality chefs using top quality equipment. Of course, virtually any kind of food will taste better under these conditions - but for rich people’s food these are mandatory conditions for it to be palatable.

  This improves its wealth signaling qualities. If you serve pizza to your guests of course it’d taste good - no surprise there. It’s pizza. But if you serve caviar and it tastes good - it means you have the means to procure high quality caviar.

  According to this hypothesis, when the lower (or even middle) classes get the chance to try these foods, it’s usually the cheaper kind. Because who would waste good caviar on you? And because taste degrades so steeply with price, we think the type of food itself tastes bad - simply because we are not tasting the same grade the rich eat.

  Poor people’s food, of course, is the exact opposite. It’s design to taste good even with cheaper ingredients, common equipment, and lower cooking skills (I’m not saying poor people are bad cooks - but you can’t compare one’s expertise with one chore among many to the top experts that money can buy)

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  • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Or… rich people only like expensive food because it is expensive, not because it tastes good.

    They want to flaunt their wealth when having visitors, so they only buy the rarest of ingredients and demand a lot of work to put into it in order to call them delicacies.

    If the ingredients really would be of high quality, they wouldn’t need a lot of preparation. The ingredients would speak for themselves.

    Price is considered in their taste.

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  • Impractical_Island@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Because who would waste good caviar on you?

    My mom would.

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    • espurr@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Awww

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  • MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Expensive meals have the value mostly in more presentation for less amount.

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  • tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    who would waste good caviar on you? And because taste degrades so steeply with price

    I’m not sure caviar is the best example here. A lot of people just don’t like fish eggs, which is fine. But tons of other people eat fish eggs that aren’t caviar, like salmon eggs, which are a common sushi ingredient and relatively cheap. Fish eggs definitely don’t need to be sturgeon caviar to taste good, even if most people don’t like them in general.

    But unless you’re in Japan, you’re probably a somewhat rich westerner if you’re eating any kind of fish eggs regularly, so maybe rich people just tend to have more access to things that would expand their palates.

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• Someonelol@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Foods that are for poor people in their country of origin suddenly spike in price when served in richer countries. Banh mi is like a dollar in Saigon but almost 9 in the US.

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  • IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    does that has a name? or can we call it food gentrification?

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    • idiomaddict@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      It’s also partially just the truth of supply chains. I’m from the US, but live in Germany and the peaches here are simply always going to be more expensive for a worse peach (I’m sure somewhere in Italy or Spain can produce good peaches, but I haven’t had them yet).

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    • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Purchasing Power and local market variables.

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  • Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I mean big mac is $9 in the US lol, sandwiches just dont get much cheaper than that here nowadays 😭

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  • deft@lemmy.wtf ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    It’s because of the labor and cost of goods.

    Ingredients to make banh mi are very cheap but workers in the US are paid more for transportation, making the food and the business operating(lights, has, etc) so now the price rise to fit the cost.

    Also some items are priced higher to cover more expensive ingredients. Let’s say you are doing beef banh mi, that’s usually scrap beef from something, let’s say some sirloin scraps, your steak on the menu should probably be like $40 but if you sell a ton of banh mi you can cut that price down to like $30-$35.

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  • solidheron@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Though it was weird that bahn exists in the US when we have sub places in the US. Never ordered a bahn mi when pho is on the menu, but they look like small subs

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    • Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Yeah it’s basically a sub with thai spices and sauces instead of mustard ketchup etc

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  “This food tastes like garbage!”

  “What did you expect? Rich people eat the garbage parts of the food.”

  “Well I ate garbage yesterday and it didn’t cost me $300! Good day, sir!”

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• PinkiePieYay2707@pawb.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  For tea, that is Genmaicha, which is a green tea with roasted rice added in as a filler. Tastes delicious and is pretty cheap!

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• kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Then the rich people appropriate the dishes of the workers and make them unaffordable. The wealthy produce very little of their own cuisine just as they produce very little of their own labor.

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  • DagwoodIII@piefed.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Oxtails have entered the chat.

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    • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Tbh that’s exactly what I was thinking of as well, for generations it has been a stable of minority communities and workers but is slowly being turned fancy. I don’t want expensive oxtail, I want real authentic oxtail from a local Dominican restaurant.

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    • Drusas@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I seriously miss oxtail. You can barely find it at any price anymore.

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  • diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Hopefully we poors will create a new dish out of them.

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    • kittenzrulz123@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Remember when cooking fatty meats cook low and slow to properly render out the fat.

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• BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Peasant food is the best food. Rich people’s food is stupid with all those little portions, and foam.

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  • rustydrd@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Excuse me, it’s called a sensory experience thank you very much!

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• Drusas@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  On a related note, Ethiopians make some delicious food. Everyone should at least try doro wat sometime.

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  • mushroommunk@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    And properly made Nigerian Jollof rice.

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• MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  What is rich people food? That also tastes good?

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• yumyumsmuncher@feddit.uk ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Hallaca (Venezuelan tamal)

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• sirico@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  History of bread

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• saltesc@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  All the poor people couldn’t afford cooks; the cooks were their neighbours too.

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• desmosthenes@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  culture is born out of shared struggles

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• Damage@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Wait until you hear about Pinsa

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  • butwhyishischinabook@anarchist.nexus ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    They just made up an “ancient” Roman version of pizza??

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    • Damage@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      In its basic version it’s actually a flat bread like a focaccia, I’ve gotten used to keeping a pair of supermarket-sold ones in the fridge, if one day I don’t have time to buy fresh bread I chuck one of those in the oven, no need to turn it into a pizza.

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  • diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Looks awesome but Its hard for me to find 3 types of wheat. is there a way to make it with normal wheat.

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    • Damage@feddit.it ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      In your kitchen you can do whatever you want

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• MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Can I get some Shepherd pie/Cottage pie?

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• Krauerking@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  Clever recipes have been my recent go to a lot lately.

  I am starting to think the concepts of Asia being some socialist utopia comes partially from them having more simple cheap and mass made food items designed to feed lots of people for less resources. Food came first, governing style after.

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  • BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    You think they invented that food culture to fit the society? That food culture evolved over centuries, it wasn’t “designed.” Rice was an established staple crop in Asia long before they were discussing modern governmental philosophies. It happens to fit your description of cheap and plentiful food, but it wasn’t “designed” to be that, it evolved to be that.

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    • Krauerking@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Right…

      Obviously it was bred over generations but that is somewhat by design even slow and not always straight forward. And the methods of preparation have changed to allow for it to be used in lots of ways. My point was that the food shaped the culture because of its usefulness and let it be less restrictive. Why does it feel like everyone read this backwards?

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  • DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    I am starting to think the concepts of Asia being some socialist utopia

    What concepts?

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    • Krauerking@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      You ever see those comments from people who wish they lived somewhere else and idealize another country.

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  • Drusas@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    There are concepts of Asia being a socialist utopia?

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    • Krauerking@lemy.lol ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Mmm I mean there us a lot of myth of it, even Mahayana Buddhism is built on the idea of everyone together.

      But my point is specifically that the food somewhat feeds the myth from a staple grain allowing for more available calories while developing. And their dishes center around using small amounts for large portions with simple fillers.

      It makes it feel like you could feed the poor. Better than corn starving them anyways if you know anything about Pellagra.

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  • BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Oh a new CCP shill to add to my blocklist

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  • Jake_Farm@sopuli.xyz ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Who told you all of asia is a monolith? They sound racist.

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• IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

  it happens the other way round.

  Spices? meat?

  Poor people get to eat diluted wheat porridge and be happy about it.

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• 30p87@feddit.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  Every DDR dish is superior

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  • rustydrd@sh.itjust.works ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    Soljanka for the fucking win

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    • Drusas@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      Made some bigos the other day. Not cheap when you have to buy the meat. And the cream. And the porcini.

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  • Drusas@fedia.io ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

    ...dancing dishes?

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    • Zoop@beehaw.org ⁨1⁩ ⁨day⁩ ago

      I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who could only see that as Dance Dance Revolution, haha.
      I think they’re talking about East Germany, though - aka the German Democratic Republic/GDR aka DDR in German. Somebody correct me if I’m wrong, though.

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  • Korhaka@sopuli.xyz ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

    Half of mine predate the DDR

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• Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works ⁨2⁩ ⁨days⁩ ago

  It’s true for cookies, at least

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