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• Mohamed@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  This is a semantic argument. I say that Jesus is not a Christian, because Christians are those who follow Christ.

  I think that Jesus is a Jewish reformist.

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• yesman@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  He didn’t. Up until the time of Paul (decades after the Jdog’s death), Christianity was a Jewish sect seeking to become mainstream Judaism. It was only then that early Christians shed their Jewish identity.

  That’s in the story, but in the History, Christianity arose from Greece and Rome, not Judea. It was never a Semitic religion. Instead borrowing elements of that combined with Paganism.

  Either way, a Historic Jesus would have died a Jew. The mythological Jesus may do whatever and I’m aware of Christians who’ll deny he was ever a Jew.

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  • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Christianity is not combined with paganism at all

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    • Jarix@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Explain Christmas Trees then

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    • Scrogu@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Bro. Why else would Jesus be claimed to be a demigod. Jews never believed that God and humans mix. That’s standard Greek half god paganism.

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    • _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      They most certainly did: What do you think Easter is? Why do you think Christmas is in December when Jesus was not born during the winter? Many native pagan holidays were basically transformed into the modern Christian holidays you know today.

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    • redsand@infosec.pub ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Ever heard of Baal or Osiris?

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    • daychilde@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      If you’re ignorant, it’s trivial to research this issue. Google “pagan origins of easter” and find a source you like. There will be shit tons of options.

      If you’re being willfully ignorant, you deserve nothing but ridicule.

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• Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  He never existed. He is a figment of a religious groups imagination. He is a fictitious character based on ideas of what a religion needs as a figurehead.

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  • dev_null@lemmy.ml ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    That’s incorrect. Virtually all scholars agree that Jesus was a real historical figure, based on many non-religious sources.

    Of course most of stories about him are made up, but the scientific consensus is that he existed.

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    • Scrogu@lemmy.zip ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago

      Not that many independent sources actually. The best evidence for me is that if he didn’t exist then why make up the ridiculous Roman census Nazareth story?

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• _haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  He wasn’t, there was no such thing at the time and he refers to himself as a Jew in the bible. Christianity wasn’t named until after his death.

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• daychilde@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I grew up a fundamentalist Southern Baptist. In my late teens I started to question. One of the things that helped me drop Christianity was the thought process trying to answer: Who was the first Jew who died and went to hell because they didn’t accept Jesus as their saviour?

  Because biblically, the Jews were the Chosen People, right? So if you were Jewish, you went to heaven. But according to Christians, you have to accept Jesus now.

  So when did that happen, exactly? When was it that the last Jew died and went to heaven, and the next Jew died and went to hell?

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  • Pacattack57@lemmy.world ⁨34⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

    What is crazy to me is Jews don’t “believe” in Jesus Christ. Absolutely absurd to me they just ignore him. Just more proof that they probably did crucify him 😭

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  • GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I don’t know if I’m remembering this correctly. But I thought the church taught that everyone went below (don’t remember the exact name of the place) and between Jesus’s death and resurrection, he took the keys to heaven and he’ll and preached to those who were not alive to hear his message and then those who accepted him were saved.

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    • Pacattack57@lemmy.world ⁨31⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Sort of. Before Jesus, the gates of heaven were closed for reasons. After he was crucified and paid the price for original sin he opened the gates of heaven and saved all the people in hell.

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• Sunsofold@lemmings.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  That’s kind of like asking ‘when did Rogue become a rogue-like?’

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• DaddleDew@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  When did Metallica become Metallica fans?

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  • Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    They probably were fans of themselves at some point. Why crank out decades of albums you can’t stand.

    That being said, I think even Metallica quit being Metallica fans at some point before St. Anger

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• snooggums@piefed.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Posthumously.

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  • SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I never picked up on his humor in the bible.

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    • snooggums@piefed.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I thought the Bible really nailed his sense of humor.

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    • blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The bible was based off The Life of Brian though

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• unmagical@lemmy.ml ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  He didn’t.

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  • okwhateverdude@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    yeah, the trappings of a death cult didn’t sit well with him, plus the whole cross thing was a real turn off. Imagine if a guillotine had killed you and you come back to see a religion spring up using guillotines as their symbol

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I believe the early symbol of Christianity was the Icthys, then the Chi-Rho, before European Christians settled on the Latin cross.

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• stepan@lemmy.cafe ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  he’s not a christian yet, but i’m pretty sure i’ll be able to convince him before the end of this year

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• HubertManne@piefed.social ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  wait. if jesus is a christian is god a jew?

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  • Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Actually yes, the Old Testament is basically the Torah or “the Jew book”.

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• I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Depends on how you define “Christian”. If you mean called himself Christian and recognized it as a distinct, and separate religion from Judaism, then never.

  If you define it simply as “someone who believes Jesus was the Messiah and died for our sins” well then he was always Christian.

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  • U7826391786239@piefed.zip ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Depends on how you define “Christian”.

    this is the only correct reply to any question about “christian” beliefs, opinions, actions, or values at any point in history. funny how you’ll get wildly contradictory responses to a single question about morality from different people in the same congregation at the same church, yet they’re all waving around the exact same bronze age book of tall tales as “proof” of everything

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• DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  The same time God became Jewish

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  • erusuoyera@sh.itjust.works ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    This raises an interesting question. If god is omnipotent, could he give himself a bris? Or is the end of his dick not all-powerful?

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• Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Unless he became one long after he died, never.

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• Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  It depends on how you define “Christian”. Theologically speaking, under Covenant Theology, old testament Judaism and Christianity are the same religion. So Abraham was a Christian, so was Moses, Elijah, etc. So Jesus would have always been a Christian.

  Academically - Considering the term Christian wasn’t used until St Barnabas and St Paul were in Antioch, after Jesus ascended (as documented in the 11th Chapter of Acts) Jesus was never a Christian.

  The term “Christian” itself is also debated - academically, people would attach it to groups that claim it. So they’d give it to the likes of Mormons despite Mormonism being as different to Nicene Christianity as Islam is.

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  • Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    So Abraham was a Christian, so was Moses, Elijah, etc

    the heresy of adoptionism

    There seems to be some slight double standards here.

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    • Flax_vert@feddit.uk ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Elaborate?

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• RotatingParts@lemmy.ml ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  When he read a self help book that said you have to believe in yourself. Guess he took it too far. :)

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• MehBlah@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  At the moment of conception when the roman soldier raped her I guess.

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• betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  I don’t know but you could probably figure it out by looking at the paintings and other artwork to see when he started wearing a cross.

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• SolidShake@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Whenever Hallmark decided so

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• RockBottom@feddit.org ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Like with all religions in general, his parents decided.

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• RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

  Yesterday

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