When did Jesus become a christian?
He wasn’t, there was no such thing at the time and he refers to himself as a Jew in the bible. Christianity wasn’t named until after his death.
Submitted 1 month ago by SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world to [deleted]
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_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
DaddleDew@lemmy.world 1 month ago
When did Metallica become Metallica fans?
Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world 1 month ago
They probably were fans of themselves at some point. Why crank out decades of albums you can’t stand.
That being said, I think even Metallica quit being Metallica fans at some point before St. Anger
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Lars is definitely a fan of himself
Aitolda@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Just occurred to me that I don’t think I’ve heard anything new from them since St. Anger.
Mohamed@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
This is a semantic argument. I say that Jesus is not a Christian, because Christians are those who follow Christ.
I think that Jesus is a Jewish reformist.
daychilde@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I grew up a fundamentalist Southern Baptist. In my late teens I started to question. One of the things that helped me drop Christianity was the thought process trying to answer: Who was the first Jew who died and went to hell because they didn’t accept Jesus as their saviour?
Because biblically, the Jews were the Chosen People, right? So if you were Jewish, you went to heaven. But according to Christians, you have to accept Jesus now.
So when did that happen, exactly? When was it that the last Jew died and went to heaven, and the next Jew died and went to hell?
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 1 month ago
What is crazy to me is Jews don’t “believe” in Jesus Christ. Absolutely absurd to me they just ignore him. Just more proof that they probably did crucify him 😭
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
For me, it was hearing sermons on, and the reading for myself, the Book of Job.
Just awful shit.
GlendatheGayWitch@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t know if I’m remembering this correctly. But I thought the church taught that everyone went below (don’t remember the exact name of the place) and between Jesus’s death and resurrection, he took the keys to heaven and he’ll and preached to those who were not alive to hear his message and then those who accepted him were saved.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Sort of. Before Jesus, the gates of heaven were closed for reasons. After he was crucified and paid the price for original sin he opened the gates of heaven and saved all the people in hell.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Depends on the christian branch you got taught in.
I used to be a roman catholic, They belief that with jesus’ death the primal sinn was absolved. If you accept jesus as the lord the savior son of god, you never will go to hell. Sinning puts you in purgatory, a hell-light kinda, for a duration to punish you for sinning. But after that you go to heaven regardless.
Before jesus everyone went to tell due to the first sinn commited by adam and eve. A few exceptions. Moses was promised heaven if he stayed faithful, but because of his doubt at the end, he got condemed to hell, but was allowed to see the sacret land before he died.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I’m pretty sure that’s mostly fanfiction
snooggums@piefed.world 1 month ago
Posthumously.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 1 month ago
I never picked up on his humor in the bible.
snooggums@piefed.world 1 month ago
I thought the Bible really nailed his sense of humor.
blimthepixie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
The bible was based off The Life of Brian though
unmagical@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
He didn’t.
okwhateverdude@lemmy.world 1 month ago
yeah, the trappings of a death cult didn’t sit well with him, plus the whole cross thing was a real turn off. Imagine if a guillotine had killed you and you come back to see a religion spring up using guillotines as their symbol
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 month ago
I believe the early symbol of Christianity was the Icthys, then the Chi-Rho, before European Christians settled on the Latin cross.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Never, he is a fictional figure and the world would be so much better if people start seeing religions for what they are
Aeao@lemmy.world 1 month ago
There’s a good chance he existed. The religious stuff you can say what you want but can’t confidently say he didn’t exsists.
ImitationLimitation@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
If a historical person existed named “Jesus” who was also a vocal proponent of Jewish reform, existed that does not make the “Jesus” in the bible a real person. These two people would be mutually exclusive. Real people can’t preform magic. Real people are not born to virgins. Real people cannot be resurrected from the dead after days. There is no person who ever existed who could walk on water and turn water to wine. That “Jesus” is fiction through and through. The Bible is a story book. A book of fables. At best it’s historical fiction. Christian Jesus is a fantasy.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
I can fairly confidently say he didn’t exist because half of his back story is stolen from older stories still. At best there was a guy (not named jesus, that is for sure) who started a cult and got some followers and got a lot of the older lore mixed in. Either he did this himself, or (more probably) writers later mixed in things to create “JFC”
Auli@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Oh so believe he converted water to wine was born from a virgin mother and died and reerected three days later.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
I’d say jesus never was christian. His followers were. Just like luther wasnt a lutheran, but still catholic.
reksas@sopuli.xyz 1 month ago
gnostic faith has quite interesting ideas, it kind of makes a lot of sense too imo. its also a bit concerning about some things. I also heard it would have been the mainline christianity at some point but then something happened and it was branded heresy and we got the current one instead.
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
Have a look into cather and bogomilists. The “kristijani” and waldenser are also very interesting with their theologie!
Sunsofold@lemmings.world 1 month ago
That’s kind of like asking ‘when did Rogue become a rogue-like?’
stepan@lemmy.cafe 1 month ago
he’s not a christian yet, but i’m pretty sure i’ll be able to convince him before the end of this year
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Depends on how you define “Christian”. If you mean called himself Christian and recognized it as a distinct, and separate religion from Judaism, then never.
If you define it simply as “someone who believes Jesus was the Messiah and died for our sins” well then he was always Christian.
U7826391786239@piefed.zip 1 month ago
Depends on how you define “Christian”.
this is the only correct reply to any question about “christian” beliefs, opinions, actions, or values at any point in history. funny how you’ll get wildly contradictory responses to a single question about morality from different people in the same congregation at the same church, yet they’re all waving around the exact same bronze age book of tall tales as “proof” of everything
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 month ago
The same time God became Jewish
erusuoyera@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
This raises an interesting question. If god is omnipotent, could he give himself a bris? Or is the end of his dick not all-powerful?
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
God is all knowing. So he knows how great it feels to take dick
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 month ago
It depends on how you define “Christian”. Theologically speaking, under Covenant Theology, old testament Judaism and Christianity are the same religion. So Abraham was a Christian, so was Moses, Elijah, etc. So Jesus would have always been a Christian.
Academically - Considering the term Christian wasn’t used until St Barnabas and St Paul were in Antioch, after Jesus ascended (as documented in the 11th Chapter of Acts) Jesus was never a Christian.
The term “Christian” itself is also debated - academically, people would attach it to groups that claim it. So they’d give it to the likes of Mormons despite Mormonism being as different to Nicene Christianity as Islam is.
Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world 1 month ago
So Abraham was a Christian, so was Moses, Elijah, etc
the heresy of adoptionism
There seems to be some slight double standards here.
Aeao@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t think he “converted” like that.
You know how the Queen of England never had a drivers license or passport because she’s the one who issues them and it would be silly to give yourself your own passport.
Jesus didn’t convert to Christianity . He was Christianity. It formed around him he didn’t convert.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
He never converted to Christianity, he started a religious movement that eventually evolved and, long after his death, came to be named Christianity
uenticx@lemmy.world 1 month ago
He wasn’t. His (supposed) death was the birth of it around 30-33CE. They were still considered of Jews of Judea but followed the teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, and that’s how it’s referenced in the bible until later revisions.
It was a sect of Judaism until re-written as Christianity.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
Once he believed he was the son of god, I guess.
obbeel@lemmy.eco.br 1 month ago
He is his best fan.
leaky_shower_thought@feddit.nl 1 month ago
when did jesus become a christian?
in a world where dictionary meanings are peak: didn’t happen if you consider Jesus as “christ”
a “christ” cannot be a “christ-like”.
however, a lot of people have their own meaning of “christian” and could be a point of confusion. e.g., Paula White’s “christian” is an oldie-timey version of customs when Jesus wasn’t even born yet.
Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
He never existed. He is a figment of a religious groups imagination. He is a fictitious character based on ideas of what a religion needs as a figurehead.
dev_null@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
That’s incorrect. Virtually all scholars agree that Jesus was a real historical figure, based on many non-religious sources.
Of course most of stories about him are made up, but the scientific consensus is that he existed.
Aitolda@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Could also be an amalgamation of multiple people of a particular movement or philosophy. This happens a lot when you adapt a book to a movie, for example and you end up with characters that are a combination of characters from the original text.
Scrogu@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Not that many independent sources actually. The best evidence for me is that if he didn’t exist then why make up the ridiculous Roman census Nazareth story?
Goldholz@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 month ago
He did. That is a fact that this person existed. If all that really happened like writen in the bible, what he did eeh who knows.
It is suprising what all from the bible is actually true. Especially old testament. ( please do correct me on this im not that deep in the thora and judeism) the old testament is basicly the thora and the thora is among other things the history of the tribes of isreal.
The 10 plagues are proven, that there was a “tower of bable”, Sodom and Gomorra, the city, from what i know are also proven to have existed.
But i’d gladly would like to hear, why you think Iesus of nazared is supposed to be fiction? The apostals all existed and their letters are one prove for that. that romans persuated christians is a known fact. Plus what would’ve been the goal to make up such a figure, like jesus? To create even more unrest in the roman empire? The jews were tolerated by romans. Early christianity was not an organized centralized power structure that it grew to become with the byzantium empire and then, after the big schism, the papacy.
RattlerSix@lemmy.world 1 month ago
“The 10 plagues are proven, that there was a “tower of bable”, Sodom and Gomorra, the city, from what i know are also proven to have existed.”
None of those are proven. Egyptians kept good records and there are no records of Hebrew slaves in Egypt, and no records of the plagues or their escape. Furthermore, the Bible says the hebrews had 600,000 men in their army, which means easily 2-3 million people in all. This is roughly the same as the population of Egypt at the time.
I’ve never heard anyone claim there’s any evidence for the Tower of Babel so I can’t comment on that, but people claiming Sodom and Gammorah existed point to naturally occurring Sulfer deposits as proof.
“But i’d gladly would like to hear, why you think Iesus of nazared is supposed to be fiction?”
Mythicism, the idea that Jesus wasn’t a real person, is not new but has risen in popularity on recent years because of historian Richard Carrier. There actually isn’t much real evidence that Jesus existed but there is a little. Carrier basically ignores or misinterprets this evidence and isn’t well regarded in scholarly circles. His most recent work failed peer review, which he attributes to a conspiracy against him.
“The apostals all existed and their letters are one prove for that.”
We don’t have a single thing that we know were written by the apostiles. They were most likely illiterate anyway. The Bible books Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were written anonymously. Hundreds of years later, the church put names on them.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 month ago
Unless he became one long after he died, never.
betterdeadthanreddit@lemmy.world 1 month ago
I don’t know but you could probably figure it out by looking at the paintings and other artwork to see when he started wearing a cross.
SolidShake@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Whenever Hallmark decided so
MissJinx@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Why the eagles didn’t just take the ring to mordor?
answers we will never know because the author is dead
HubertManne@piefed.social 1 month ago
wait. if jesus is a christian is god a jew?
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Actually yes, the Old Testament is basically the Torah or “the Jew book”.
MehBlah@lemmy.world 1 month ago
At the moment of conception when the roman soldier raped her I guess.
RotatingParts@lemmy.ml 1 month ago
When he read a self help book that said you have to believe in yourself. Guess he took it too far. :)
RockBottom@feddit.org 1 month ago
Like with all religions in general, his parents decided.
RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 month ago
Yesterday
yesman@lemmy.world 1 month ago
He didn’t. Up until the time of Paul (decades after the Jdog’s death), Christianity was a Jewish sect seeking to become mainstream Judaism. It was only then that early Christians shed their Jewish identity.
That’s in the story, but in the History, Christianity arose from Greece and Rome, not Judea. It was never a Semitic religion. Instead borrowing elements of that combined with Paganism.
Either way, a Historic Jesus would have died a Jew. The mythological Jesus may do whatever and I’m aware of Christians who’ll deny he was ever a Jew.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 1 month ago
Christianity is not combined with paganism at all
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 1 month ago
They most certainly did: What do you think Easter is? Why do you think Christmas is in December when Jesus was not born during the winter? Many native pagan holidays were basically transformed into the modern Christian holidays you know today.
redsand@infosec.pub 1 month ago
Ever heard of Baal or Osiris?
daychilde@lemmy.world 1 month ago
If you’re ignorant, it’s trivial to research this issue. Google “pagan origins of easter” and find a source you like. There will be shit tons of options.
If you’re being willfully ignorant, you deserve nothing but ridicule.
Jarix@lemmy.world 1 month ago
Explain Christmas Trees then
Auli@lemmy.ca 1 month ago
Oh yes it was. Christmas is where it is because of winter solstice. Or do you believe Jesus was born then. It was just a day chosen to celebrate his birthday not the actual day. Then the whole Christmas tree and the list goes on. It is much easier to get people to convert when you can go see we are similar.
Scrogu@lemmy.zip 1 month ago
Bro. Why else would Jesus be claimed to be a demigod. Jews never believed that God and humans mix. That’s standard Greek half god paganism.