If a historical person existed named “Jesus” who was also a vocal proponent of Jewish reform, existed that does not make the “Jesus” in the bible a real person. These two people would be mutually exclusive. Real people can’t preform magic. Real people are not born to virgins. Real people cannot be resurrected from the dead after days. There is no person who ever existed who could walk on water and turn water to wine. That “Jesus” is fiction through and through. The Bible is a story book. A book of fables. At best it’s historical fiction. Christian Jesus is a fantasy.
Aeao@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
So what you’re saying is if Bob tells me (your name) has a flying tiger, and I later find out you don’t have a flying tiger… you no longer exists?
Hate religion all you want but don’t shit on history. In all likelihood there was a Jesus the story is based off of. Who was probably real. We have lots of non religious documents that mention him. The Quran mentions him. He probably existed as a person.
Like you exist as a person even though you don’t have a flying tiger.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Lol
Trying to be the enlightened centrist and saying this. Show me the genocides being committed currently in the name of atheism.
I dont particularly care, I have religious friends but come on.
Aeao@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Enver Hoxha
Pick up a book every once I a while.
DozensOfDonner@mander.xyz 4 weeks ago
So i don’t really want to read for this subject but i like conversation. Not trying to facetious.
Did Stalin, Zedong, etc really kill because of atheistic principles? Or more politically?
netvor@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
They did not say someone named Jesus did not exist.
There’s a difference between believing “Joe who had a tiger and a bear and an elephant”, and assuming that there might have been 3 different Joe’s, one with a tiger, one with a bear and one with an elephant, each of them in a different period. Saying “Joe with 3 animals did not exist” does not imply that those Joe’s did not exist.
I’m not a historian but what I’ve heard (must have been on Alex O’Connor’s podcast) is that even some of the possible historical Jesuses (or “Jesusi” :D) had things going on that were not compatible with what the biblical Jesus was all about. (Such as being cult leader proclaiming that world will end in few years.)
Aeao@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
He said Jesus is a fictional figure. He probably existed and yes there were more than one person with similar but that doesn’t change my argument.
If you say “this is Bob and he has a tiger” and I find out he does not have a tiger… he still exists as a person.
But you say “the stories about Bob don’t line up with any specific Bob”
Okay, that doesn’t stop Bob from being just because someone got a story wrong.
ImitationLimitation@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
Complete asinine argument.
Fictionalize any real person to the point absurdity, and you have a fictional non-existent person from a fairy tale. Saying a dude has a flying tiger is just lies. There is a difference. If you can’t see that, I’m cool with that. We’re all allowed to believe things.
WraithGear@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
now you are just talking about some different guy named bob.
mario is based on a person, but mario is a fictional character
ImitationLimitation@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
I am atheist, I wouldn’t say militant. I am anti-theist. Religion, IMO has done far more harm that good. Thats beside the point. I did not post that it was “my way is the only way.” I offered a perspective. You went off the rails and began name calling… then continued to argue with a few people for an extended period of time. Who has to it have it their way? Again, I offered a perspective. Take or leave it, I don’t care. Have a wonderful day.
Auli@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
So you say non religious stuff mention him then mention the Quran. Yep good argument there.
Aeao@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
You’ll notice the Quran was said separately from the other stuff. I separated the two because it’s a religious book but not the Bible.