I can fairly confidently say he didn’t exist because half of his back story is stolen from older stories still. At best there was a guy (not named jesus, that is for sure) who started a cult and got some followers and got a lot of the older lore mixed in. Either he did this himself, or (more probably) writers later mixed in things to create “JFC”
There’s a good chance he existed. The religious stuff you can say what you want but can’t confidently say he didn’t exsists.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Auli@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
Oh so believe he converted water to wine was born from a virgin mother and died and reerected three days later.
Aeao@lemmy.world 3 days ago
No I’m saying don’t ignore history. I’m not pushing any religion. Just saying the man probably existed .
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
probably existed
Or probably not, as most of his backstory is taken from older stories
Aeao@lemmy.world 3 days ago
A lot of stories about dinosaurs. We are confused about exactly how their feathers would look.
We know they existed tho.
It’s not probably not. It’s probably so. It’s just an argument about what exactly happened.
Do we know how the pyramids were built? No. But we know it wasn’t aliens.
There is confusion but not like people think.
Much like the pyramids we can assume Jesus existed. What exactly happened to which Jesus… that’s confusing but no one is denying there was a man. The pyramids are fact.
ImitationLimitation@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
If a historical person existed named “Jesus” who was also a vocal proponent of Jewish reform, existed that does not make the “Jesus” in the bible a real person. These two people would be mutually exclusive. Real people can’t preform magic. Real people are not born to virgins. Real people cannot be resurrected from the dead after days. There is no person who ever existed who could walk on water and turn water to wine. That “Jesus” is fiction through and through. The Bible is a story book. A book of fables. At best it’s historical fiction. Christian Jesus is a fantasy.
Aeao@lemmy.world 3 days ago
So what you’re saying is if Bob tells me (your name) has a flying tiger, and I later find out you don’t have a flying tiger… you no longer exists?
Hate religion all you want but don’t shit on history. In all likelihood there was a Jesus the story is based off of. Who was probably real. We have lots of non religious documents that mention him. The Quran mentions him. He probably existed as a person.
Like you exist as a person even though you don’t have a flying tiger.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Lol
Trying to be the enlightened centrist and saying this. Show me the genocides being committed currently in the name of atheism.
I dont particularly care, I have religious friends but come on.
Aeao@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Joseph Stalin, Mao Zedong, Pol Pot, and Enver Hoxha
Pick up a book every once I a while.
netvor@lemmy.world 3 days ago
They did not say someone named Jesus did not exist.
There’s a difference between believing “Joe who had a tiger and a bear and an elephant”, and assuming that there might have been 3 different Joe’s, one with a tiger, one with a bear and one with an elephant, each of them in a different period. Saying “Joe with 3 animals did not exist” does not imply that those Joe’s did not exist.
I’m not a historian but what I’ve heard (must have been on Alex O’Connor’s podcast) is that even some of the possible historical Jesuses (or “Jesusi” :D) had things going on that were not compatible with what the biblical Jesus was all about. (Such as being cult leader proclaiming that world will end in few years.)
Aeao@lemmy.world 3 days ago
He said Jesus is a fictional figure. He probably existed and yes there were more than one person with similar but that doesn’t change my argument.
If you say “this is Bob and he has a tiger” and I find out he does not have a tiger… he still exists as a person.
But you say “the stories about Bob don’t line up with any specific Bob”
Okay, that doesn’t stop Bob from being just because someone got a story wrong.
Auli@lemmy.ca 3 days ago
So you say non religious stuff mention him then mention the Quran. Yep good argument there.
Aeao@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You’ll notice the Quran was said separately from the other stuff. I separated the two because it’s a religious book but not the Bible.