phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Never, he is a fictional figure and the world would be so much better if people start seeing religions for what they are
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Never, he is a fictional figure and the world would be so much better if people start seeing religions for what they are
Aeao@lemmy.world 2 months ago
There’s a good chance he existed. The religious stuff you can say what you want but can’t confidently say he didn’t exsists.
ImitationLimitation@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
If a historical person existed named “Jesus” who was also a vocal proponent of Jewish reform, existed that does not make the “Jesus” in the bible a real person. These two people would be mutually exclusive. Real people can’t preform magic. Real people are not born to virgins. Real people cannot be resurrected from the dead after days. There is no person who ever existed who could walk on water and turn water to wine. That “Jesus” is fiction through and through. The Bible is a story book. A book of fables. At best it’s historical fiction. Christian Jesus is a fantasy.
Aeao@lemmy.world 2 months ago
So what you’re saying is if Bob tells me (your name) has a flying tiger, and I later find out you don’t have a flying tiger… you no longer exists?
Hate religion all you want but don’t shit on history. In all likelihood there was a Jesus the story is based off of. Who was probably real. We have lots of non religious documents that mention him. The Quran mentions him. He probably existed as a person.
Like you exist as a person even though you don’t have a flying tiger.
Squizzy@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Lol
Trying to be the enlightened centrist and saying this. Show me the genocides being committed currently in the name of atheism.
I dont particularly care, I have religious friends but come on.
netvor@lemmy.world 2 months ago
They did not say someone named Jesus did not exist.
There’s a difference between believing “Joe who had a tiger and a bear and an elephant”, and assuming that there might have been 3 different Joe’s, one with a tiger, one with a bear and one with an elephant, each of them in a different period. Saying “Joe with 3 animals did not exist” does not imply that those Joe’s did not exist.
I’m not a historian but what I’ve heard (must have been on Alex O’Connor’s podcast) is that even some of the possible historical Jesuses (or “Jesusi” :D) had things going on that were not compatible with what the biblical Jesus was all about. (Such as being cult leader proclaiming that world will end in few years.)
ImitationLimitation@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
I am atheist, I wouldn’t say militant. I am anti-theist. Religion, IMO has done far more harm that good. Thats beside the point. I did not post that it was “my way is the only way.” I offered a perspective. You went off the rails and began name calling… then continued to argue with a few people for an extended period of time. Who has to it have it their way? Again, I offered a perspective. Take or leave it, I don’t care. Have a wonderful day.
Auli@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
So you say non religious stuff mention him then mention the Quran. Yep good argument there.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I can fairly confidently say he didn’t exist because half of his back story is stolen from older stories still. At best there was a guy (not named jesus, that is for sure) who started a cult and got some followers and got a lot of the older lore mixed in. Either he did this himself, or (more probably) writers later mixed in things to create “JFC”
Auli@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Oh so believe he converted water to wine was born from a virgin mother and died and reerected three days later.
Aeao@lemmy.world 2 months ago
No I’m saying don’t ignore history. I’m not pushing any religion. Just saying the man probably existed .
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Or probably not, as most of his backstory is taken from older stories