Title.
People can cheat or learn to just memorize and repeat information without really accepting or retaining it. As the old saying goes, you can lead a horse to water but you can’t make a drink.
Why do some people with college degrees and an education, still act so fucking stupid?
Submitted 16 hours ago by PixelNomad@sopuli.xyz to [deleted]
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dan1101@lemmy.world 31 minutes ago
hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 hours ago
education doesn’t fix stupidity Education can however help with ignorance.
OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
Intelligence and Wisdom are two separate stats.
Adderbox76@lemmy.ca 2 hours ago
To put it simply, there is a difference between “intelligent” and “smart”.
BBB_1980@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Cause education is not equal to intelligence.
saltesc@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Work at a university; try telling that to the academics. Some of them are phenomenally simple that I often wonder how they continue through adult life. The are coinvicrd of intellectual superiority because they’re a world expert in frog genders, but struggle to solve simple problems or absorb reasoning without having it dumbed down.
A university is like a daycare for those adults. And the trantrums and toy throwing they have with each other, oh my god. Daily I wonder how some of these people would survive if they ever had to leave school.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Reminds me of a joke from Ghostbusters, when Ray and Peter are kicked out of the university:
“You don’t know what it’s like in the private sector. They expect results!”
redsand@infosec.pub 13 hours ago
Academia is a good walled garden for those hyper specialized researchers. They progress research and the institution acts as a patron and sanctuary from the world. Perhaps we should reward continued general education though
Seleni@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
To know is not to be wise. Many men know a great deal, and are all the greater fools for it. There is no fool so great as a knowing fool. But to know how to use knowledge is to have wisdom.
-Charles Haddon Spurgeon
Paragone@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Simpler & clearer:
Intelligence is solving-the-problem-efficiently/quickly…
Wisdom is realizing we’d been solving the wrong problem, & working-out what the right-problem is…
Wisdom’s meta-intelligence.
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halcyoncmdr@piefed.social 12 hours ago
It also seems that the more specific a person’s education gets, it replaces general knowledge and thinking. For many it seems their entire thought process changes to focus on that specific thing, to the detriment of anything else. Doctorates seem to be less capable of working outside their specific focused niche compared to those with lower degrees. They’ve spent so much time focusing that they can’t unfocus very well.
OldQWERTYbastard@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
This is the real answer. Most people conflate the two.
Twongo@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
i’m a mechanical engineer. i know something about electricity and physics. i also have a degree in international trade.
until 2 yrs ago i didn’t know how eggs get fertilized and yesterday my wife had to show me how to remove olive pits while preparing ouur cooking.
by all accounts i’m a dumbass with 2 degrees in specific fields that i don’t encounter in day-to-day life. i have no idea how to survive in this world. i am sure others feel the same.
Paragone@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Why do billionaires/oligarchs do it?
Principle of Least Effort.
It isn’t particular to the “lower class” or to the “less educated” or to any particular faction of the population.
That’s normal.
Some people, no matter how you “slice” the population up, still act so fucking stupid.
'Tis a fact of life, is all.
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Allero@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
Depends on what you mean by that.
Stupid as in not grasping some concepts quickly?
Education is just a narrow overview of a particular field. Once you’re out the narrow scope of what you’re taught - it’s all about your general knowledge. I know a world-class physicist who does not comprehend basic things about society, economy, relationships etc. And, working in a scientific field, I see plenty of such examples.
Stupid as in unable to aggregate data and synthesize understanding?
The state of modern tech and media more broadly eats heavily into people’s attention span. People have harder time concentrating, and it gets so much worse when they need to aggregate all the sources they have. They just don’t have enough short-term memory to keep it all together.
Stupid as in making weird life decisions?
Everyone’s life experience is drastically different than yours, and, seeing only the surface, people often downplay what others went through and how it shaped their thinking. Sometimes it introduces general logical errors into the behavior, and sometimes it just comes from a much different perspective than you can imagine. In their world, the decisions they make makes sense. In your world, you also normally make sense for yourself, even if you’re actually irrational in one thing or another. This does, by the way, include all the typical political rants - high-ranking politicians and their numerous advisors are unlikely to be stupid. More likely, these people pursue different interests from what you imagine.
Overall, the word “stupid” is heavily overused and applied to a lot of different things. So, it always makes sense to clarify, or else it looks more like a rant than a genuine question.
Complaining about people being stupid is as old as the world itself, yet it’s not very productive or done in good faith. Before claiming anyone stupid, try to ask them for their perspective and the way they look at a problem. And if you’re able, unpack what you think is wrong.
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
As much as it might seem like it, education doesn’t make a person intelligent.
starlinguk@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
People keep saying that, but it’s bullshit. In many countries outside the US, people can only do a degree if they’ve proven that they’re intelligent.
But intelligent people can be really stupid too.
rozodru@piefed.world 14 hours ago
“book smarts” and “street smarts” are two completely different things. My sister is book smart. skipped a couple grades, went to university twice, once for her degree and again for her masters. She’s by all means well educated.
She’s dumb as a bag of rocks. She’s really good at studying. she’s a pro at it. but none of that knowledge is ever retained for extended periods of time. Once its “useful” i.e. for a test/exam/SAT/etc then it’s tossed out of her head. I can’t recall what she earned her masters in but if you challenge her to talk about it today she can’t. that’s the primary reason I can’t remember is because she literally is unable to talk about it.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 12 hours ago
Sounds like she’s good at cramming, not studying.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
what is her profession in, or your not the class, like her current career?
rozodru@piefed.world 2 hours ago
she’s a teacher…that’s what scares me more. she’s teaching kids. And the even MORE scary thing is she hates kids. she refuses to have her own because, and I quote, she “can’t stand children”. Essentially she’s good at cramming/studying the lesson plans and then info dumping it on the kids. Now trying to get her to actually understand or teach you what’s she’s actually dumped onto the kids well after the fact? good luck. I tried that once. One week she taught the kids some subject on earth science, tectonic plates I believe, I asked her a week later at a family dinner about it because she brought it up. she couldn’t explain it. it was out of her mind already.
StillAlive@piefed.world 9 hours ago
Her brain is a cassette tape😆
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Knowledge is not intelligence.
The difference is the conclusions drawn from the knowledge obtained. Dumb people can survey knowledge and come to wrong conclusions, it happens all the time.
naught101@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Education isn’t just learning knowledge, it’s also skills and thinking. But it is usually restricted to a limited domain…
SpacePanda@mander.xyz 15 hours ago
I heard that after the Vietnam war with most the protesters being college students they made an effort to remove lessons that teach critical thinking and problem solving to make people more compliant and less likely to do that again.
So current education is more about regurgitating information unless you go for your doctorate I would think. Dont know in that one, just a guess.
blarghly@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
This is conspiracy nutjob thinking.
The federal government does not control university curricula. It doesn’t control what professors teach or how they teach it. Professors often have tenure, and can barely be fired by their own university for being subversive.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
maybe for public k-12 yea,theres definite attack on that. but private instituition have thier own curriculum, and its not the same at each school, some schools have better teachers than others, and better resoruces for experience in stem field. the more elite ones though have a different mentality, it breeds elitist/entitled graduates.
Inucune@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
C’s get degrees.
Beth@piefed.social 12 hours ago
I am an expert in my field. Because I devote all my time and brain to being so. I am average to terrible at everything else. So many of us like to think otherwise. I don’t get why. I’m tired at the end of the day and I just wanna be bad at shit lol. Ego?
DandomRude@piefed.social 8 hours ago
It’s kind of interesting that most people here seem to assume that attending college is synonymous with education or knowledge. It would be nice if that were the case.
However, there are also quite a few people who went to college but didn’t learn a thing there - especially in countries like the U.S. or England, where a college degree costs an absurd amount of money, this happens all the time. It’s especially common there to find children of wealthy people who are as dumb as a box of rocks, yet still manage to buy their way into high society with a college degree - they’re guaranteed to get it, regardless of whether they learn even the slightest thing at university.
The current U.S. president is a good example…
toomanypancakes@piefed.world 9 hours ago
I went to school for business like a dumbass, so I didn’t learn shit about shit. That and genetics made for one dumb bitch.
daannii@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Yeah some of them are.
Having rich parents makes it pretty easy to get a higher education. And you can pay people to do your homework.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
PHD is probably the hardest , MA is probably the easiest one to still fake it, since its not an MS.
starlinguk@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
Nothing to do with rich people. Good education is free in Germany and people who have Masters and PhDs can be just as stupid.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world 16 hours ago
College degrees are usually a way to differentiate the rich and poor not prove how smart someone is.
MerryJaneDoe@feddit.online 14 hours ago
College tutor here. Held a 4.0 GPA and graduated with honors on an academic scholarship. And I am very much the stoooopid type of person. I would be your worst nightmare as a co-worker. Well, maybe not “worst” but definately on the wrong end of that particular bell curve.
Now let’s dive into the question!
There’s a lot of different kinds of stupid. Some stupid people can be taught. Others just don’t get certain concepts but other times, they pick up things very quickly. Some can learn, but if the knowledge sits dormant for too long, it disappears. Some people just don’t care - if something isn’t interesting to them, they don’t pay attention.
I think what we’re seeing is a HUGE rise in ADHD. All of the above can be signs of a hyperactive mind. We know, of course, that screen time - especially doom scrolling - increases ADHD. People who practice meditation and/or exercise and get the fuck off their screens aren’t as susceptible.
I speak as someone who daily watches with horror as my social skills, wits and mental acuity slowly but surely move left on the x-axis of that bell curve we talked about earlier. My attention span wanes with a constant bombardment of information. I ingest a meme, but before it’s thoroughly digested, I’m on to the next. I read a comment and jump to a conclusion, imagining my clever response but fast losing interest and deleting paragraphs of wordsmithy in a single stroke.
WE ARE NOT STUPID! WE ARE ADDICTED! AND IT’S KILLING US!
Also, this is a contagious condition, so get the fuck off Lemmy and hug a tree. Lemmy will still be here when you return. Thank you I love you good night!
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 12 hours ago
slowly but surely move left on the x-axis of that bell curve
well good news, since it is happening to all of us, you may actually keep getting worse, but keep your place on that curve 😆
Fleppensteijn@sh.itjust.works 16 hours ago
Staring at teacher’s boring Powerpoint presentations and reading through a chapter an hour before a test only to forget it after doesn’t magically make you a smart person. In fact, I felt more like it numbs the brain.
Kintarian@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
It absolutely astounds me that all the idiots currently running America went to Ivy League schools and have degrees. I thought for sure they all went to clown college. What exactly to they teach at Harvard and Vasser?
CommissarVulpin@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Ivy League schools are just places to make connections with other rich people, so you can land a seven figure job right out of college and think they’ve earned it
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
they also tend to produce elitist graduates too, some professors from my CC went to one of the ivy league schools and his attitude reflects upriging fromt he schools, pretty arrogant towards the student, and why they are not passing gen chem.
BranBucket@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
A four year degree, for the most part, proves you can hand in coursework and pass tests. It does not demonstrate the ability to apply any of that education in the real world, nor does it demonstrate any ability to acquire and apply new knowledge outside of a classroom setting.
When you look at careers where the application of knowledge and critical thinking are vital to the work, all of them tend to have some kind of post-graduate schooling or follow-on apprenticeship where one works under an experienced professional, and even people in those fields can be pretty fucking stupid when it comes to things outside of their specialty…
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
It’s even worse when you find out they’re not acting.
Krudler@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Because it’s the emotional inner world that defines how people behave, not education or knowledge or wisdom.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
[deleted]hawgietonight@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
A bit of a flawed view there that higher education lands jobs magically. It’s probably the other way around, and those with mild curiosity and life ethics have a better shot at it.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 15 hours ago
You major in like 1 specific thing… it doesn’t turn your brain into an Artificial General Intelligence
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 7 hours ago
turns it into an LLM.
breezeblock@lemmy.ca 16 hours ago
All humans think fast and slow
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
College is not a test of intelligence. It’s a test of your parents’ finances, perhaps, and your ability to conform and play the game, and in some cases one’s willingness to cheat as well. In my experience very few people come out of college any smarter than they went in, and given the preponderance of people who seem to major in beer the opposite may in fact be true.
What worries me is not the number of people who manage to stumble through college and still some out the other side stupid. Based on my personal experience with my client base, what keeps me up at night is the sheer majority of people who apparently cannot read and possess no critical thinking skills whatsoever and probably shouldn’t be trusted to tie their own shoelaces, but some asshole still saw fit to issue these people drivers’ licenses, insurance policies, mortgages, and allow them to buy giant SUVs and guns.
mlg@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
If you’re in the US, bachelor degrees are pretty worthless lol.
owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca 8 minutes ago
It’s worth noting that college degrees are often not hard to get, assuming you have ample finances. Colleges are businesses, and they care more about cashflow than education.
I have a bachelor of science in electrical engineering. Of my graduating class, probably only about a quarter of us actually understood anything. And now working in the industry, it seems like that’s a pretty reasonable average for other institutions in my field (there are exceptions, a few colleges have higher standards).