I just adjusted my way of thinking. Before it was âthis video is staged, until proven otherwiseâ, now itâs âthis video is AI, until proven otherwiseâ.
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hOrni@lemmy.world â¨22⊠â¨hours⊠ago
diffaldo@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨22⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Also dont forget about the bots!
hansolo@lemmy.today â¨21⊠â¨hours⊠ago
My spouse yelled at me after she showed me too many AI videos, and I would watch it and 1) if itâs under 15 seconds, 2) too good to be true, 3) has unrealistic physics, and/or 4) has AI artifacts, I wouldnât enjoy the video, and just say âyeah, thatâs AI.â
She just wants to enjoy the videos, and didnât care if staged or AI or what. She likes the concept of whatâs on the video. AI takes that away from me, and not her, apparently.
sauerkrautsaul@lemmus.org â¨18⊠â¨hours⊠ago
thats actually pretty interesting.
Iâd be firmly on your side of that fence, the idea being its cute or cool cause it happened in real life. this is a recording of real life. if its a computer drawing using the severed and reconstituted husks of other things and did not happen, its just something completely different- would she watch a hand drawn cartoon of the same thing? Would she really?
Another possibly interesting way to tease it out, is say itâs a video of her close friend being given an award from a prestigious institution and she feels a sense of pride. Or, its a video from the same friend where her partner does something very sweet and poignant. In both cases, she then finds out that this never happened, its just a computer drawing her friend made of these non-events. Too different to draw out the reason while real vs fake matters? Possibly.
Say the video of a cat that can accurately work and excel spreadsheet. Does that one matter (spoiler, its REAL)
Hackworth@piefed.ca â¨18⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Usually when people share a post, itâs because the post evoked a reaction, and they want to share that with someone. Making the conversation about the provenance of the post truncates the exchange in an unsatisfying way. For a news story, propaganda, or the like, the source is important. For funny dog videos? Maybe the quality of the exchange is more important. A nice middle ground would be to react as if it were true, and then point out itâs probably AI. Videos are easier to spot, but the difference between an image thatâs obviously AI and one that looks real is like 10 min of work in Photoshop. So weâre often better off saving our faculties of discernment for the stuff that matters.
hansolo@lemmy.today â¨16⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Yeah, thatâs what I was thinking as well, with the comparison to hand drawn animation. Honestly, Iâm not sure, but I expect that would not hit quite the same way. ClaymationâŚmaybe the same, actually. It might also be just no glasses scrolling and quick reactions without discernment.
Iâve explained how to recognize AI videos, and she knows how to ID most (I hope), and I have noticed that she shows me fewer AI clips now. Not none, but fewer. I think she knows I donât like them, and doesnât want me too be the killjoy.
I even made a clip in Sora of our cat doing stuff, as an olive branch. I think that sort of made the point you were making about the friend getting an award.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨17⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Iâve found, as Iâve gotten older, that my desire to believe things that are true is far from universal. Itâs mind boggling to me that people willingly delude themselves for a hit of dopamine or whatever, while they slowly lose the ability to tell the difference between reality and fiction
explodicle@sh.itjust.works â¨15⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Oh man Iâve noticed zero difference. Religion, a thousand times religion.
piccolo@sh.itjust.works â¨10⊠â¨hours⊠ago
If the video is obvious a fake and overexaggerated, I dont mind AI videos. Its no different than the shitposts people made before. But its the click farming shit that really irks me.
JayGray91@piefed.social â¨18⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Honestly Iâll take staged videos. At least itâs real humans doing it.
deathbird@mander.xyz â¨14⊠â¨hours⊠ago
One of the things that makes a staged video less troubling is that the staging itself always comes with tells. Camera angles, cuts, framing, and of course actual staging.
AI videos can have that too, but they arenât the inherent tells. AI tells are unnatural: bodies that shift in subtle ways, objects warped or searching outside the center of frame. Itâs not stuff that you look for because itâs not stuff that actually happens in nature, or even in human constructed CGI all that often. But it does add up to a sense of uncanny valley.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world â¨17⊠â¨hours⊠ago
âIâll take people shitting into my mouth over dogs. At least itâs real humans doing it.â
bisby@lemmy.world â¨14⊠â¨hours⊠ago
If someone were to say to you âwhy did the chicken cross the road?â You wouldnât demand that there is actually a chicken. You would accept it as a framework for a joke.
The same holds true for staged videos or AI or anything. Is the framework important to the point? A video claiming people can fly and using AI as proof⌠Thatâs problematic. A staged bit where it would still be funny if it was just told verbally by a standup comedian? Who cares how real it is, the realness was never the point, the concept of the situation was.
Almost all comedy movies are just long staged bits.
And âhow funny would this be if a standup comedian told this as a jokeâ vs âthe context of this potentially actually happening is very important to the underlying humor of itâ is a variable line for people. And thatâs ok. Unless someone is in danger (donât let someone jump off a cliff because ai said they can fly), other peopleâs lines donât really affect you
hansolo@lemmy.today â¨8⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Itâs kind of a shame youâre getting down voted for this. Itâs a perfectly reasonable perspective, and makes sense.
rektdeckard@lemmy.world â¨14⊠â¨hours⊠ago
When you sit down to watch a movie, you know it isnât real. When you watch media coverage of current events, you should not have to guess if it is or isnât.
xthexder@l.sw0.com â¨14⊠â¨hours⊠ago
If all we were seeing is the prompt used to generate the video, then there wouldnât be a problem. Human-written fiction is generally valuable.
Instead weâre getting single sentences masquerading as âa picture worth a 1000 wordsâ, or worse with video. Only 1% of that is actually the valuable part (the prompt), the rest is filler words and hallucinated slop.
A video or picture of reality is inherently more informative than any AI generation.deathbird@mander.xyz â¨14⊠â¨hours⊠ago
I feel like the photorealism is what makes it bad. When you notice itâs fake you feel lied to. If itâs a cartoon, or blatantly cartoonish, it doesnât.
Safeguard@beehaw.org â¨15⊠â¨hours⊠ago
But thatâs the point for the AI owners. To get people to not care about the destruction of your brain, the world, our income, our art, etc.
At that point, when we stop pushing back, AI slop peddlers have won.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works â¨12⊠â¨hours⊠ago
How to avoid AI Slop:
Step 1: Adopt a cat (aka: be adopted by a feline overlord)
Step 2: Observe the cat (but occasionally wink-blink at them)brucethemoose@lemmy.world â¨14⊠â¨hours⊠ago
I have a business idea:
Vintage social media.
Only media that verifiably exists on the internet before 2021 is allowed. Thatâs still billions of cute animal photos and videos.
A_Chilean_Cyborg@feddit.cl â¨2⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Fr your second idea is actually quite good.
Sarcasmo220@lemmy.ml â¨4⊠â¨hours⊠ago
When I do search for something that is not a current event I will filter for at older results to avoid any inaccurate AI answers
dmention7@midwest.social â¨13⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Honestly, I donât think your edit is crazy at all. I have a hunch that all the fake, filtered, AI-processed, vtuberâd social media is going to result in a sharp backlash soon. Kind of like how over-the-top, image-focused glam and heavy metal of the 80s spawned a backlash in the rawer, more ârealâ feel of grunge and stripped down alt-rock in the 90s.
Maybe that desire for reality will be one of the triggers for the AI bubble bursting.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Itâs still a fantasy though. People arenât in control of their phones/feeds.
Heck, we canât even get the world to use JPEG-XL or HEIF, much less capture RAWs.
wabasso@lemmy.ca â¨5⊠â¨hours⊠ago
I was thinking about digitally signing content and you can go check the authorâs public key against it or something.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com â¨17⊠â¨hours⊠ago
I do hate being a cynical bastard but the slopification of the internet has made me this way.
I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world â¨17⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Just another flavor of cynicism for me. Before AI, I would look at most âcuteâ animal videos and just see an animal performing a trained trick under the guide of âOmg, LOOK my dogs love spontaneously hugging each other, isnât that cute??!!â
People have ALWAYS lied on the internet.
yyyesss@lemmy.world â¨7⊠â¨hours⊠ago
There was a wave of âsleepy baby animals collapsing in sleep togetherâ on Spezâs site until someone figured out most of them were âsleepyâ because they were drugged.
Ifera@lemmy.world â¨5⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Just like a lot of animal rescue videos. Horrible, heartbreaking animal abuse, staged to look like an act of heroism.
I used to watch those videos on YT a lot, until I suddenly pieced it together, that two cats had the very same markings, and figured out what their scam was, I felt so disgusted I ended up making a massive rant and telling every person I knew for months.
IronBird@lemmy.world â¨6⊠â¨hours⊠ago
next youâll tell me people donât always tell the truth on the internet or to not always believe what you read in the newspaper
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com â¨13⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Yeah this was my reaction, before AI cynicism there was âthis is obviously scriptedâ cynicism and then even tropes that built on it like nothing ever happens
GiveOver@feddit.uk â¨16⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Or the contrived stories. âHe does this every day until we feed him <3â
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works â¨12⊠â¨hours⊠ago
âThis [specie of animal] hid in the corner every day for [X] [months/years] until one day THIS happened! (wait for it)â
Wilco@lemmy.zip â¨14⊠â¨hours⊠ago
People lied way before the internet; Look at the octopus jump to escape the holding tank (crew poured bleach). Staged stuff like that has been going since recording was possible ⌠they even staged pictures.
vogi@piefed.social â¨22⊠â¨hours⊠ago
It is a great exercise to test your media literacy. That you canât even trust cute cat videos and art really does suck though.
manxu@piefed.social â¨22⊠â¨hours⊠ago
I donât find AI cat videos half as offensive as the âI found this kitty shivering in the rain and rescued it on my hikeâ videos with a 3000 buck show quality Bengal.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world â¨6⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Itâs interesting to watch people sus this out in real time. Society as a whole will land on some sort of âsolutionâ, and I expect itâs one most of you wonât like.
wabasso@lemmy.ca â¨5⊠â¨hours⊠ago
What are your thoughts? Iâm starting to lean toward avoiding any fakeable content (even though Iâm contradicting myself by even posting here). That canât be worse than pre internet times right?
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works â¨1⊠â¨hour⊠ago
Itâs shopped you can tell by some of the pixels also stopped being true after a few years and people just stopped caring.
We are just going though the same thing. People will just stop caring in a few years.
Lumidaub@feddit.org â¨22⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Upside is that I now look a lot closer at the pictures in my feed.
bobs_monkey@lemmy.zip â¨22⊠â¨hours⊠ago
As much as I vehemently despise AI, these days, Iâll take positivity where I can get it.
nil@piefed.ca â¨19⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Better quit browsing shorts and get a real dog
atopi@piefed.blahaj.zone â¨10⊠â¨hours⊠ago
i usually assume something is not AI unless its obvious or someone in the comments says its AI
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works â¨7⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Itâs not that hard to spot; my mother will watch them sometimes. A parrot using complete sentences and witty turns of phrase about a cat trying to attack them? Yeah no. But how do you get a âI just want to sit under my blanket, eat soup and watch cute animal videosâ boomer retiree to understand sheâs destroying the world by paying attention to this?
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world â¨7⊠â¨hours⊠ago
sheâs destroying the world by paying attention to this Okay, Iâll bite. How exactly is your mom âdestroying the worldâ by paying attention to it?
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works â¨6⊠â¨hours⊠ago
By actively selecting these videos, watching them, sometimes multiple times through, going back to them to show them to me âYouâve got to see this video I sawâ god hate fucking dammit, sheâs driving revenue toward their uploaders, which is causing them to pave over the entire continent of North America with data centers that are destroying the concept of truth itself and murdering the environment.
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz â¨22⊠â¨hours⊠ago
I have begun policing myself for feelings of amazement. Seems to be the biggest thing slop tries to induce, followed closely by outrage. I know I canât control when something makes me outraged or amazed but I definitely can choose what I signal boost
RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip â¨20⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Solution is to either enjoy for what it is or stop consuming it.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus â¨16⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Itâs pretty simple: if itâs not important, who tf cares if itâs AI or not. If itâs important, there normally is a way to verify if the portrayed information is authentic because it will be important for others too (the info is the important part, not even if the medium where you got the info from is real or not). Life is easier this way, and important info should have been verified before AI too.
howrar@lemmy.ca â¨15⊠â¨hours⊠ago
The info provided is that there exists another happy dog out there doing happy dog things and I briefly connected with it, which made me happy. This information would be incorrect if it was AI generated.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus â¨14⊠â¨hours⊠ago
The information that there are happy dogs out there doing happy dog things isnât wrong tho, regardless of how many images of happy dogs are real or fake.
rektdeckard@lemmy.world â¨14⊠â¨hours⊠ago
But the problem exists if the average person canât tell the difference or doesnât care to verify it. Media literacy is at an all time low, at least in my country (guess). Without regulation, the presence and lack of labeling of AI content on social platforms can only further the decline.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus â¨13⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Thatâs an age-old problem, just scaled up. There has always been misinformation in social media (and before that in every bar). In the US itâs especially bad, mostly because the GOP profits directly from misinfo and has done as much damage as possible to the education system to ensure it stays that way. Thatâs also the reason there wont be any legislation regarding labeling of AI content (which is preferrable, but not enforceable even today) coming from your continent in the next few decades, sorry :-(
That might still be a âgoodâ thing. More people than before become aware that what they see in social media is not reality, but entertainment that might or might not be real. It could lead to a general rejection of the notion that SM shows the truth.
But all in all it is still of no importance if itâs imagery to give cozy feelings because of cute animals like in the meme. An entertaining story does not have to be true to be entertaining, and in the same vein a cute pet image doesnât have to depict a real pet to be cute.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world â¨14⊠â¨hours⊠ago
I can make my own AI image of a cute dog, though. Whatâs the point of that?
I think it cracks open a bigger issue than AI: the âillusionâ of authenticity on social media. Our squishy brains doomscroll with the fantasy that the stuff is real, and candid, and honest, and gems we foundâŚ
But thatâs never really been true.
Itâs largely with content designed to go viral and make someone a buck. Or sell something. And itâs served by billion dollar algorithms designed to model and hijack your brain.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus â¨14⊠â¨hours⊠ago
If someone tells me a entertaining story that connects with me emotionally, itâs not so much important if the story is true per se, itâs important that itâs told well. The storyteller might have invented the whole thing or based it on something similar and modified/exaggerated it, but that doesnât take away from the story. If i tell myself a story it wouldnât be satisfying either (if iâm not worldbuilding or an author, where the satisfaction has other sources).
Itâs an interesting thought and would explain why people react so intensely. I for my part was very quickly picking up on the fakeness of facebook - when i was riled up during the arabian spring in Libya, i realized that i get easily emotionally manipulated by the served content, which made me quit.
Nowadays i know much better how to verify information thatâs important to me; a dogs picture licking a cat which makes her purr will always emotionally positive for me, because a) it doesnât matter outside of my satisfaction, just like the well told story, and b) i canât check it for authenticity either way, so i do not care about authenticity.
Kolanaki@pawb.social â¨14⊠â¨hours⊠ago
At least the ones where the cat or dog start Fortnite emoting at the end are obvious.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip â¨20⊠â¨hours⊠ago
But is it not cute?
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone â¨18⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Most time itâs off putting at best. Sometimes though, itâs creepy af.
gegil@sopuli.xyz â¨21⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Before ai there was photoshop. People who knew how to use it could make good fakes, but far from everyone could do that.
Then ai was created, it was fun to experiment with image generation, but it still was kind of a toy, and images was obviously generated.
Now ai became so advanced, that some ai âphotosâ or âartworksâ require through examination to determine whether its real or fake.
If ai is so âgoodâ right now, future generations of ai will make it nearly impossible to distinguish real pictures from generated, doesnt matter if its a photo, drawing, or other digital artwork.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip â¨19⊠â¨hours⊠ago
AI has plateaued.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world â¨19⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Itâs certainly still improving in many areas - like coding assist, for sure. I think video generation is still improving but it takes a shit ton of resources, so itâs a bit slower. Maybe image generation has plateaued, but that could certainly be temporary. There are lots of more niche applications that are still progressing at a slower pace like I just read an article on using image processing AI in fertility clinics to better predict viability of embryos for implantation. Cool stuff that could actually improve peopleâs lives.
chunes@lemmy.world â¨8⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Yeah, because itâs kind of harder to get better than photorealistic.
snooggums@piefed.world â¨18⊠â¨hours⊠ago
And what a minuscule plateau it reached.
insomniac199@lemmy.world â¨20⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Or, it could be one of those videos from china which animals are forced to act.
roserose56@lemmy.zip â¨21⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Do we even know what is AI nowdays? websites like tiktok, are number one in the list of testing AI content.
Rekonok@sh.itjust.works â¨21⊠â¨hours⊠ago
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monkeyslikebananas2@lemmy.world â¨21⊠â¨hours⊠ago
Assume itâs all AI and donât engage. Go learn to play guitar.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works â¨20⊠â¨hours⊠ago
This might need to be the way forward.
Internet was fun, that was a really sick 30 years, but GG.
inriconus@programming.dev â¨17⊠â¨hours⊠ago
But then you are just training and generating music with AI⌠(Acoustic Instruments)