Not over it
Then I guess it’s a good thing they didn’t bother to produce more episodes past season 5.
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ummthatguy@lemmy.world 1 day ago
FishFace@piefed.social 20 hours ago
There was a season 5? Don’t remember it
Nangijala@feddit.dk 9 hours ago
I was a diehard fan of the show and the books. Mostly the books. The show, I stopped loving after the midway point of season 4 when it dawned on me that these fucks had no idea what they were doing and worse yet: they didn’t actually care.
That the only reason the show had been this good up until now was because they had more or less translated the book into script directly and George had also been with them in the writers room right up until their “creative differences” in season 4.
I originally stopped watching after suffering through season 5 and only went back because my friends begged me to watch it with them and I was the ASOIAF expert in the group. When Arya killed the Night King I quietly turned it off and never finished it.
I think it hit me so hard because had I spent almost a decade being a super dedicated fan who would spend a lot of my free time deep diving into analyses and studying the worldbuilding, listening to interviews and talks with George, listening to fan podcasts that did deep dives, reading and re-reading the books while taking my own notes and making my own theories. It had really helped me through a very very dark period in my life where I felt lost and like I didn’t have a purpose at all. It might sound a bit dumb, but yeah. It was one of many little things in my life that helped me hold on to it and not just peace out, you know.
And to realize that Dumb and Dumber didn’t actually care and that they rushed the shit out of the show and pooped out season 4 because they wanted to move on to star wars (lol how did that go for them?) that was just so painful. Not just ofr myself, but for George too. The cast and crew who dedicated so much blood sweat and tears to this franchise and for the fans like me who loved this world so much and got inspired to write and build worlds ourselves while escaping from things in our real lives that hurt.
And it just got farted out like that when there was no reason for it.
I am not kidding when I say that up until recently when Trump announced for a second time that he wants to annex Greenland from my country, the way Dumb and Dumber treated GoT was the angriest I had ever been. Goofy as it sounds. .
It literally killed my interest in reading books and watching movies and TV shows. It took me three years to start watching movies again regularly and I am generally known among friends and colleagues as the movie buff. I’m the one you ask for movie recommendations. GoT killed my interest in movies for three years. It’s better nowadays, but I still don’t watch TV shows and I rarely read. If I do I try to stay away from series. Only exception was Earthsea recently. But yeah.
The last time I dove into the ASOIAF world was when George released Fire and Blood. I haven’t touched it since and I will probably never rewatch the show nor re-read the books. It’s just such a bitter feeling everytime I see anything from that franchise now.
autriyo@feddit.org 5 hours ago
Without having any of the background you have, I also couldn’t finish season five, it just felt off. The spark was gone, and I wasn’t hooked anymore.
Sculptor9157@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
So as someone who has never read, nor any intention to read the books, it isn’t worthwhile?
ZeroGravitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
I feel your pain. Truly.
George and Pat Rothfuss changed my reading habits, now I’m not picking up series unless they’re done. Plenty of great works out there, like The Last Kingdom or the Aubrey/Maturin series. Ditto for TV series, especially Netflix produced ones. Too many get the chop on a dip of viewership these days.
I half suspect George lost his will to write after seeing how dnd massacred the last 3 seasons. Who wouldn’t? Especially if they were mangling his book notes. Now he’s treating this series as a chore, and he’d rather do anything else.
Nangijala@feddit.dk 5 hours ago
Personally, I fully believe that the way the show ended played a huge role in George not finishing the books.
George is a perfectionist and I remember how he once mentioned that he stopped following fan forums years before the show was even a thing because when he saw fan theories guessing correctly the plot twists he had been working on, he started second guessing himself and felt the urge to change them. Instead of doing that, he stuck with the plots he had thought out and cut himself off from the fan forums, as I said.
I also know that George entrusted Dumb and Dumber with the biggest plot twists and they carelessly butchered almost all of them in the show.
While things were still good, George would regularly upload sample chapters for Winds of Winter onto his blog and I read all of them. I used to think that the idiot showrunners would take the show in a different direction and leave it up to George to finish his vision on his own because it was clear he wouldn’t finish the books before the show caught up to them.
Many fans agreed and expected that the showrunners would go in their own direction because they had made several choices along the way that entirely closed off important plotpoints and back then we all thought that they were capable writers.
Turns out the changes were more stuff like "we can’t include Tysha because Tyrion is popular and we don’t want him to go on his villain arc because hes a fan favourite. Stuff like that.
And for me, it became very clear that they were following George’s plot when the sample chapters from Winds of Winter appeared in the show in the most mangled manner.
I believe that the way the show ended was a horror fun house mirror of the true ending that George had planned for decades. They fucked it because they are retarded and lazy. I cannot imagine anything more heartbreaking as a writer with the perfectionism and self doubt that George has to see my big ending with Dany going mad, Jaime and Cersei dying in each other’s arms and Bran becoming the king of the north being done so terribly and being recieved with so much hatred from the fans.
Although I fully believe that Arya killing the night king was Dumb and Dumber following the girl boss trend and not what George had planned for her nor Jon’s characters.
I genuinely think it broke him. The fact that he already struggles with finishing his works because of his perfectionism was bad enough, but to realize that you handed over the pay offs of your decades long magnum opus to two retards… ooff.
I’m still trying to get back into reading. Recently I have mostly stuck with autobiographies of local people in my country. Reading about dirt poor farmers in the 30s and 40a and stuff like that is pretty sick. Makes you both appreciate the comforts you have in the 21st century and mourn the lost connection with nature and the seasons. Anyways, biographies are kinda my catnip these days. For some reasons, and despite loving fiction, I still just can’t find it in me to bother to get invested in someone else’s worldbuilding xD again, Earthsea being the only exception.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 3 hours ago
As someone that just read the books:
Arya killing the night king isn’t just thematically and plot appropriate with like five different chekovs guns shooting his face at once, it’s just cool to have all this bullshit fixed with a blade in the dark imo.
The problem is that scene was ugly and poorly filmed with shit tier effects. Plus she basically just yolos at the guy… Have her use her goddamn assassin powers, how hard is that?
normalentrance@lemmy.zip 17 hours ago
I still think it would have been a better ending if the white walkers killed everyone and took over. Just stepping over bodies of favorite characters as they get seated on the iron throne.
Like the red wedding or the end of season 1…
j4k3@piefed.world 1 day ago
I do not understand why fools rush these things and ruin good things. You’re holding a gold mine and put it through a paper shredder for what?
RustyShackleford@piefed.social 23 hours ago
We live in the age of everything behind a subscription, the people without talent will always try to take a good thing and burn it for a buck.
Trying to understand them is like trying to understand why people voted for a man in a diaper, trice.a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
They were bored and thought they would just take a piss all over it to get to their lucrative star wars deal.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
…HBO was? Weren’t they, like, the bosses?
loutr@sh.itjust.works 20 hours ago
At the time rumor was that the Benioff and Weiss were already working on their next show (3-body problem?), and just wanted to get GoT out of the way.
2piradians@lemmy.world 19 hours ago
IIRC they were tied to something Star Wars related, which they subsequently lost. It was the tiniest consolation for GoT fans as it did nothing to un-ruin the show.
GammaGames@beehaw.org 15 hours ago
Because they wanted to work on Star Wars, but this was such a flop Disney pulled the deal
Zwiebel@feddit.org 22 hours ago
Yeah can’t believe Martin is rushing out his books like that!
sartalon@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
IIRC correctly, they were so checked out, working on potential future projects (that were also fucking terrible), that they had most of the work passed off to others?
Honestly though, I blame the author. GOT was great until they ran out of source material. Then you saw how terrible D&D really are at this. MF still hasn’t finished the series. If you can’t finish it, then don’t fucking start it.
Maybe Sanderson can pick up the mantle for this one too.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz 20 hours ago
Not to disagree on the topic but “if you can’t Finnish it, don’t start it” is absolutely horrible advice when its about a creative art like writing.
If i am not wrong there is a whole writing style about just starting without knowing yourself where its going to end.
I highly dislike capitalism but i can see that once you have enough material to sell some of it, even if incomplete as a series. Many people would take the opportunity. I don’t know the authors economic background but for a starving artist with high potential that first book sales could be the push required to finish a series.
Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 19 hours ago
Tbh even without capitalism I prefer having been able to read the existing books without an ending over not being able to read any of them. I can get some enjoyment from the journey even without a destination
sartalon@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Look at it this way.
He was clearly starting to stall in his later books, taking so long to get them out, and instead of starting to wrap up the storyline, he started introducing new elements.
I understand why he hasn’t moved forward, but I’ve lost all interest in ever picking up another book of his. The terrible writing by D&D certainly didn’t help.
My feelings of frustration are valid and my criticism is not unfounded.
I do appreciate your thoughtful response, thank you
stray@pawb.social 19 hours ago
If you have a problem with unfinished works, don’t ingest them until they’re finished. The artist doesn’t owe you anything.
sartalon@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I didn’t say anything remotely close to saying artists owed me anything. Dude bit off more than he can chew.
I have a right to be frustrated when I’m invested in a story and it just stops.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com 18 hours ago
Thats why im still waiting for one piece to finish so i cant pick it up again. Sigh
PixxlMan@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
That’s a wild take on writing lmao. If you’re not sure the author will finish it, don’t start reading it.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I think they meant don’t start adapting an unfinished property. A certain transphobic author had issues because the studios really needed her to finish books 5, 6, and 7, so they could hit their schedule of 1 movie per year for 8 years.
sartalon@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
You could at least come up with a response that already hasn’t been said several times.
FishFace@piefed.social 20 hours ago
They were fucking it up well before they ran out of source material. See: the confected drama of bran and Jon almost meeting North of the wall
Sanderson would be god awful at completing it and has specifically said he wouldn’t.
Newsteinleo@infosec.pub 20 hours ago
Thank the gods, Sanderson’s writing is trash.
rljkeimig@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
I vote Joe Abercrombie, their style is more similar imo and given direction from GRRM’s notes I think he could finish it much better than the show did.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Sanderson is a bad pick and has said himself that he can’t do grimdark. Just because he’s prolific doesn’t mean he should be the de facto pick to finish series.
sartalon@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Man the Sanderson hate in this post is real.
I only suggested him because he helped finish the Wheel of Time series.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
I mean, to be clear, it was HBO’s show, yeah? Those writers worked for HBO, not the other way around?
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com 18 hours ago
I’ve never watched GOT and it sounds like I shouldn’t bother
rljkeimig@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
You could watch it if you stop before the end, maybe through season 6, definitely before 8.
I still recommend the books though, which are still good despite the fact that we will never see the end written by the original author.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 16 hours ago
The last book was pretty bad, didn’t include any of the main characters. Such a shame, it started so well.
Trex202@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Isn’t that a truer reflection of a true to life story? There are no “endings”, life goes on
phoenixz@lemmy.ca 15 hours ago
Back when it first aired it was amazing, people went wild for it, and with reason: it’s really that good. For the first 5 seasons. Season 6&7 become mixed bags because the writers tan out of original source materials and they sucked at writing themselves, and at season 8 theyr recieved a mouthwatering contract for star wars and just wanted to get rid of GoT, even though HBO wanted multiple seasons more.
So, they just write and produces a 6 episode piece of shit that was scandalously bad. Production was bad, writing was just amazingly bad.
Watch the first seven seasons, they’re worth it!
untorquer@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
at season 8 theyr recieved a mouthwatering contract for star wars and just wanted to get rid of GoT,
If they worked on a star wars movie I’m not convinced season 8 suffered from them “rushing it” or putting anything less than every last drop of their souls into the writing.
The rest of the comment is dead on.
Isthisreddit@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
It’s absolutely worth watching - still the best TV I ever watched. The problem is that the book Author is an absolutely amazing writer, and the show runners were not good writers, so when the show surpassed the books, it was obvious (this is essentially the last two seasons). The show runners also rushed the ending because they were told Disney had a Star wars trilogy waiting for them. GoT easily could have been another 3 seasons to have a proper ending
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Watch it all, it’s still a fantastic watch in my humble opinion.
Enzy@feddit.nu 17 hours ago
Script was garbage but that did not happen.
MimicJar@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
It’s deceptively worded, because it kinda happened (at least according to Clarke).
From ew.com/…/game-thrones-finale-interview-emilia-cla…
“What, what, what, WHAT!?” the actress recalls thinking. “Because it comes out of f—king nowhere. I’m flabbergasted. Absolutely never saw that coming.”
“I cried,” Clarke says. “And I went for a walk. I walked out of the house and took my keys and phone and walked back with blisters on my feet. I didn’t come back for five hours. I’m like, ‘How am I going to do this?’”
She never says she dislikes the script and makes it clear that she found the story surprising and emotional. Which is true, the story is surprising (not in a good way, but it is surprising) and for her character it is full of emotion.
Enzy@feddit.nu 1 hour ago
Much better.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
It was complete bullshit
curiousaur@reddthat.com 14 hours ago
I skipped it. I’ve even rewatched the other season, I simply refuse to watch the last.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
Don’t wanna form your own opinion?
curiousaur@reddthat.com 11 hours ago
Don’t want to waste my time for disappointment
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
When everyone tells you this turd is not a crabcake, you are not obligated to take a bite for yourself.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Someone doesn’t have to jump off a cliff to personally experience how jumping off a cliff isn’t good for your health.
Akasazh@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I could never get into it. Felt to much like LOTR combined with softcore pron. I have had regrets over time, and even tried the first but again, but it just didn’t gel with me
When the final dropped I was relieved, I wouldn’t have to catch up ever again.
nialv7@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
I don’t know how actors contracts etc. work, so I am genuinely curious. Is refusing not an option for them? Surely most of these actors already have enough money…
mech@feddit.org 14 hours ago
It would be like walking out during a billion $ project that depends on you as a freelancer.
In a VERY small industry where everyone knows everyone, and there are thousands of applicants literally willing to suck dick to get hired.theneverfox@pawb.social 14 hours ago
It would also have penalties for breaking the contract which could be very high, plus if you tank a major production without good reason your career is probably over
RizzRustbolt@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
Although here’s hoping Nick Frost does the right thing.
dogs0n@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
They’d get sued most likely
notsosure@sh.itjust.works 12 hours ago
And here’s me: I haven’t even seen series 1-7! I saw a bit of on episode but changed channels when I saw one of the props was poorly made out of Styropor:-(
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
I saw up to season 3, maybe 4. I stopped because nothing happened.
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Dragon lady was still in desert towns.
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The wall was still snowy with no sign of zombies.
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Someone tried to take over a town but failed, so nothing changed.
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Lots of people got murdered at a wedding without any effect on the plot.
The small girl training to be an assassin was interesting, but done better in Hanna or Leon.
alekwithak@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
This is an insane take. Literally so much happens in the first three seasons. Maybe I happens at a more realistic pace than most stories unfold, but that is one of the great things about the series and one of the main things the creators fucked up in the latter half, so maybe you should give it a shot.
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mr_satan@lemmy.zip 13 hours ago
Watched it last year, I quite liked the ending. I did feel some “let’s get this over with” energy, but the ending fit the characters and I can’t say there was anything to break my suspension of disbelief.
I really disliked Daenerys from the start (so I’m biased here) and her “madness” just ramped up rather than came out of nowhere for me.
They did botch Aryas storyline somewhat, which was disappointing, but it didn’t ruin my experience.
Coming into this show all I knew was characters die and everyone hated the ending. When I finished it I didn’t understand what people disliked so much. Yes it was rushed, but I can’t say it was bad. The show had to end and without the source material rather sooner than later. My opinion might’ve been different if I watched the show as it aired (there could’ve been more investment in the story from my side).
organ@lemmy.zip 1 day ago
Who cares. Get over it.
Tikiporch@lemmy.world 1 day ago
No way, someone should be doing a documentary on this. The failure was too epic to forget.
ajoebyanyothername@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Agreed. Imagine having arguably the biggest piece of media going, with endless potential for merchandise, spinoffs etc. and deciding to just rush through the end, ruin any lasting legacy, and cost yourself future work. And for what? The hope of moving onto the next project sooner? The next project that you were then let go from due to the colossal failure of your last project. It’s fascinating in a way.
hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 1 day ago
bored_gamer@lemmy.zip 21 hours ago
The correct take
MyDarkestTimeline01@ani.social 18 hours ago
I for one loved the ending. I never liked Danny.
Pringles@sopuli.xyz 17 hours ago
It’s not the ending per se, it’s how rushed it all was. Dany going villain was always projected, especially in the last published book. But it’s the rushing of the storyline and the distinct decline in quality dialogue that made it so bad. The storyline could and should have been fleshed out more with maybe even 2 extra seasons. Instead the seasons were shortened and they tried (and failed miserably) to wrap it up quickly.
As for the dialogue, compare the dialogues of Tyrion and Varys from the first 3 seasons to the last 3 seasons and you will wonder if those are the same characters. They were quick witted and sharp in the first seasons, but in the last 3 it’s all “Hur hur, you don’t have a cock” jokes. And that’s just one of the more obvious flaws. So many story threads had no conclusion, the actions stopped making sense, what should be a multi month voyage is reduced to days, etc, etc, etc…
It will be taught in movie colleges as a warning for decades, if not centuries.
TrumpetX@programming.dev 15 hours ago
I came here to say this comment. I am often telling people that the Dany’s ending was by far the most likely outcome of her path. But she went from hero to villain in 2 hours of screen time. It’s awful showrunning and producing.
criss_cross@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
100% agree. The whole “good guy becoming a conqueror villain” motif isn’t new. The problem is they rushed it so hard. You had characters constantly telling us “she’s not well and must be stopped” and I was like “based on what???”
If they had an extra season to show her slowly descending to the point the bells would set her off it would have been a beautiful tragedy. Instead it felt more like a “I go crazy you all die now!” heel turn.
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 12 hours ago
what should be a multi month voyage is reduced to days
I think this is what got under my skin the most on the initial watch. Gendry just… running… all the way back to the wall, sending a raven for Dany, and her showing up for the rescue… what was that, like, 6 shots? It pulled me right out.
I kept that in mind during rewatch. What I started realizing is that the early seasons were able to cover passage of time by switching locations/storylines. There was a LOT going on in a bunch of places, and for the most part it was handled well. As the end approached, there were less locations/storylines as everything converged on the North and King’s Landing. So not only did the show lose having the books to fall back on, they also lost the ability to mask time skips. And this was not handled well at all. The result was jarring cuts and a rushed pace. I don’t think stretching the end out any further just for the sake of being longer would have been a net positive, let alone adding seasons of what would have amounted to filler. But there had to have been a better way to avoid those self inflicted faceplants.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
That CANNOT be a real picture of them all group reading the script for the first time…