The enlightened centrism is strong in this one. No, the US don’t have a conflict of left vs. right. The conflict is between the right and everyone else. And most of the right are just rubes who think they being part of some kind of movement but in reality are just being fleeced by a bunch of grifters
Political discourse
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Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 hour ago
Not just the right vs. everyone else, the right vs. everyone. The right is also fighting itself.
halvar@lemy.lol 4 hours ago
I’d say the curve it’s much flatter on the left side. As in right side is shouting tankie, meanwhile there are like 2 tankies and the right wants to set the whole barn on fire to get them both.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
Doesn’t directly bringing up “enlightened centrism” (I assume sarcastically) from a non-right position indicate disdain for centrism? That would be a conflict between whatever you are and both centrists (for not being where you are - right of you, but to them, still left of the Right) and the Right.
Also, if you’re aware of the Three Percenters and their claim that only 3% of colonial America supported the revolution, it means that even if they’re off by a factor of 10, with 30% for the revolution, and 30% against, it leaves 40%, a plurality of people, who have the sentiment from this meme where they just want to be left alone and not forced against their will into a conflict that indroduces instability and violence to their lives.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
“Enlightened centrism” is not the same as centrism and yes that label is meant to be sarcastic. There are basically two kinds of enlightened centrists. One are right-wingers who want to avoid the social stigma of being far right. The other one are people who close their eyes to the blatant attempt by the right wing to destroy democracy and pretend everything is normal. That’s what basically the corporate media are doing.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Letter from Birmingham Jail, MLK Jr.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 hours ago
Not left or right, but above
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 hours ago
Uh... fucking cope hard. The Nazis won't care about your enlightened centrist when they arrest you for being brown and/or the wrong kind of white.
blarth@thelemmy.club 4 hours ago
TheDemonBuer@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
If you think the next US civil war will be fought between Nazis and Marxism-Leninists, you don’t understand American politics very well. The US in 2025 isn’t Stalingrad in 1942.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 hour ago
Nitpick: They're Marxist-Leninists, not Marxism-Leninists.
HappyFrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
!enlightenedcentrism@lemmy.world
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca 5 hours ago
When I have centrist views about anything (not just politics but more trivial matters like pop culture), I’m reluctant to share them online because extremists on both sides interpret you as an extremist on the opposing side
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social 4 hours ago
Centrist views such as? grabs popcorn
No seriously, what do you happen to be sitting on the fence about?
Klear@quokk.au 4 hours ago
I don't care from which side to peel banana
Plebcouncilman@sh.itjust.works 4 hours ago
Centrism doesn’t mean sitting on a fence. It means most of the time understanding that both sides are right and wrong at the same time, I often see the problem identified right but the solution prescribed absolutely incorrectly.
Here are some centrist positions.
We need to stop unfettered immigration, so closing the borders is great, locking up and kicking out immigrants who have committed legal offenses is good, and we should expedite that process but we shouldn’t be kidnapping or profiling people. We shouldn’t be giving economic assistance to illegal immigrants. I know it doesn’t happen at the federal level but it does happen at the state level.
Banning guns won’t solve the violence problem, guns don’t kill people people kill people. American violence is caused by inequality and lack of mental healthcare. Solve that instead of taking guns away.
We should have higher taxes, universal healthcare and stronger safety nets but also much less regulation because most of it is actually designed to protect the incumbent corporations. Free the markets as much as possible, but never bail out a single corporation that fails, bail out the employees.
Increasing the minimum wage does nothing.
Instead of relying on underpaid immigrant labor the US should stop giving cash and tax subsidies to farmers and instead directly subsidize their wages by paying the employees directly. This is my middle of the road solution, we should actually consider nationalization of farms. One of the few things where that could work right now because I think nationalization in general leads to terrible mismanagement. But farms are already inefficient, corrupt and mismanaged and also living on the government tits so we might as well.
Justifying things as “scientific” when the science is social science and the results are not reproducible is intellectually dishonest, and is rampant in discourse about various topics nowadays. The academia brought upon themselves the mistrust they have garnered. This is good because universities have become job training centers and they were never meant to be that, so maybe we’re due for a little creative destruction.
I could continue, but I got shit to do.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 4 hours ago
This will be fun to watch.
jaupsinluggies@feddit.uk 4 hours ago
That’s still an oversimplification. In reality political opinion varies across a spectrum; it’s not just hard left, hard right, or no opinion. My own views for example are a little left of centre with a leaning towards liberty (i.e. away from authoritarian). So of course I get called a nazi by the hard left, and a tankie by the hard right, both of which are utter nonsense.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 4 hours ago
Daniel Sloss has a funny bit about exactly this.
https://youtu.be/O-qcXpapsoY
Sadly it’s so true
passepartout@feddit.org 4 hours ago
Regardless of online / offline, this can be attributed to a method of gaining and maintaining political power called divide and conquer.
BlueCanoe@lemmy.ca 3 hours ago
Ideological polarization is actually pretty low among average Americans. It’s mostly felt among the highly politically engaged and politicians. So to that extent, this image seems accurate.
Ek-Hou-Van-Braai@piefed.social 5 hours ago
Wait does bellend mean at the end of a bell curve?
DmMacniel@feddit.org 4 hours ago
No its what german dogs do.
FridaySteve@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
People need something else to focus on. When everything is politics then politics is everything and it’s stupidly difficult to get people interested in doing anything positive.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 hour ago
I mean, everything is politics whether anybody likes it or not, because politics is just what you get when you have a hierarchical power structure.
FridaySteve@lemmy.world 46 minutes ago
And this is what I mean. Everything is very much not politics but if you politicize everything then by definition it becomes so. People need to stop doing that.
TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip 4 hours ago
Maybe if you mean this as the left vs the left… sure.
Tippy@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
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