Weird hill to die on perhaps but I’ll never forgive Microsoft for arbitrarily deciding not to support my 4Ghz i7 6700K CPU on Windows 11. It’s perfectly technically capable, they just decided I hadn’t spent enough money lately. Well now I won’t on your products, ever again.
"You should probably just throw it away"
Submitted 2 months ago by scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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Darkmoon_UK@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Kit@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Gaming is great on Linux nowadays btw. I installed Fedora a few weeks ago and haven’t had a single problem with any of my games - I’m getting better framerates, too.
spooky2092@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
Any reason you went with fedora? I’ve been partial to fedora for a decade, but last I knew it wasn’t recommended for a daily driver given the upstream fuckery from redhat.
Asking cuz I’m about two weeks from kicking win10 in the dick and moving to alma or something.
deeferg@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Any good step by step explainers nowadays? Been over a decade sinceI set my last Linux machine up for a friend, and have been thinking about trying one for a Jellyfish server.
Knowing that my gaming PC could get a few extra frames might intrruige me into performing the upgrade there too if the jellyfish machine goes well.
dingus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m in a similar boat. My computer meets all of the other requirements like TPM and whatnot, yet they are arbitrarily deciding that my processor is too old. And for some reason you can walk into your local computer store and buy a laptop with the shittiest processor and other specs possible that somehow runs Windows 11. Just because the processor on the new shitbox was manufactured more recently. Ridiculous.
Smokeydope@lemmy.world 2 months ago
assuming you use steam, see which of your favorite games run with proton compatability layer and which absolutely require windows. You may be suprised.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
WINE works surprisingly well too. I’ve seen people talk about gaming on Linux using Lutris or launching it through Steam as a “Non-Stean game” but I just put my files in my WINE directory and have better success.
sporkler@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I run everything on steam with proton that I did on my windows PC, nothing was left behind. If you ‘add a game’ from outside steam, you can run the installer and then change the game location to the executable. Ubuntu or Ubuntu mate are what I install on everything. Recommend.
zerosignal@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I have that same issue. My older laptop barely misses the cutoff, even though everything meets the requirements except the cpu. I have a newer laptop with Win11, and the old one runs circles around it. It’s faster and has way more RAM, yet somehow won’t run 11? I’m going to keep it and just run Linux instead. I’ll use the crappy Win11 lappy just for MS office and keeping papers from blowing off my desk.
CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’ll use the crappy Win11 lappy just for MS office
LibreOffice works very well. I use it often in a company that uses Office exclusively, and I’ve never had a compatibility issue.
Soleos@lemmy.world 2 months ago
In the same boat with the same CPU. The beast is running Cyberpunk 2077 fairly well at 1440p with a DLSS/ray tracing card but it can’t run Windows 11 🙄🙄🙄
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
It boils down the CPU microarchitecture
dance_ninja@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I figured it was related to the hardware architecture, but I’m curious if this is for security reasons (potential exploits) and/or a support bandwidth concerns managing 2 OS code bases (on top of the obvious revenue from new licenses). If the hardware security isn’t the issue, then switching to Linux is a good money saving choice for those that are tech savvy.
hellfire103@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Psythik@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I’m trying but the girlfriend refuses. She watches YouTube on the TV and does everything else on her phone; literally only uses the laptop to play The Sims 4 (which her 1080ti can handle just fine), yet she’s convinced that she will need a brand new gaming machine with a 4090/5090 as soon as Microsoft dumps WIn10. She’s afraid that she’ll completely break the OS if she switches to Linux. (Which is plausible, though unlikely.
I’m hoping she’ll change her mind as soon as she realizes just how much more GPUs cost these days, especially mobile ones.
vii@programming.dev 2 months ago
Create a live USB stick and demonstrate it to her, without deleting Windows. Bonus points if you rice the fuck out of it with some kawaii shit for your GF and make Sims 4 work with Wine.
unlearned0653@startrek.website 2 months ago
Use an immutable distro so even if she breaks it it’s easily fixed
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Install win 10 LTSC
nullroot@lemmy.world 2 months ago
en.m.wikipedia.org/…/Windows_10_version_history Windows 10 ltsc 1809 will be supported until late 2029 if you or someone you know is set on continuing to use Windows 10
_carmin@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Is she stupid?
toddestan@lemm.ee 2 months ago
If all she uses the computer for is playing Sims 4, another option is just let her continue to use Windows 10. If she’s running it through Steam she’s probably got another 3-4 years before that stops working.
EarlGrey@discuss.tchncs.de 2 months ago
Introduce her to Immutable OS’s. They’re effectively idiot proof. She would have to research how to break them.
Bazzite comes with Steam/Proton preconfigured and everything
Fredselfish@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I have Linux on a jumpdrive can I install it on my main drive without it effecting my other drives?
meliaesc@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Only the drive you install it on will be affected, but the other drives likely won’t be formatted to work with Linux.
mexicancartel@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
It’s called dual-booting, and yes there are so many tutorials availiable. But you have to be a little more careful in that process. I do dualboot but almost never uses windows. I have heard situation where windows updates messing linux installs on same drive. The safest route might be to do what others suggested but it is possibe to install that way. Be careful with partitioning and formatting. You also have to determine the sizes for each partitions yourself too
hellfire103@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I think so?
MisterFrog@lemmy.world 2 months ago
This is me. I’ve always been too lazy to switch (I have some of the worst hardware for it. I’m running my old surface pro into the ground and have hardly any internal storage so hard to dual boot for testing).
But now, well hey, Windows 11 is stupid, windows 10 has been spying since forever.
Linux it is, thanks Microsoft for giving me the push I needed.
You know, later in the year. When I have to.
I’m only human
Yoga@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
I mean, what do you expect them to say?
“Time to install Linux, here’s how you chose a kernel:”
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 months ago
It would be funny if they struck a deal with Canonical to start offering an upgrade to Ubuntu 24.04 using some of the same dark patterns they use with Windows 11
ch00f@lemmy.world 2 months ago
“Trade it”
TO FUCKING WHOM? The whole point is that you made it useless.
(Unless this is Microsoft providing some free advertising for Linux)
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Probably going to be a ton of cheap used computers on the market in the near future for installing Linux on
spacesatan@leminal.space 2 months ago
Every now and then a little devil on my shoulder says “you should set up a cluster computer that serves a secondary function as a smart space heater” and it’s gonna be really hard to ignore if the deals are good enough.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Oh good. My PC is actually 11 years old. The hard drive died a few months ago. So I replaced the 3.5inch sata 7200rpm drive with an enclosure that holds 2 2.5inch drives. I’m using solid state for the first time. I was able to clone my Windows 7 drive to a solid state drive. It works even better than the original drive.
But! That enclosure makes it so that I can just turn off the PC, eject the drive, insert a different drive, and now I’m on an entirely different OS. It’s my first time using linux…it still sucks, but it’s useable. Last time I tried linux was right before I bought this PC 11 years ago. I tried using linux on a PC that previously was running Windows XP. I couldn’t even get it to boot. Now things generally work, but it has BEEN a constant struggle, and a constant learning experience.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com 2 months ago
The prices have already been cratering for anything with 7th gen and older Intel CPUs. Full systems seem to be under $100 now where just a year or two ago they were around $200 or more
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 2 months ago
Trade it in.
In other words, someone may be willing to pay you for parts, rather than you just getting nothing for it (recycling).
They are not going to recommend you use an alternative OS, and probably not because they’re worried about market share, but because they then have some responsibility for every time a person fucks up a Linux install.
ch00f@lemmy.world 2 months ago
In other words, someone may be willing to pay you for parts,
Except for the parts that Windows obsoleted. Not saying that they’re valueless, but they certainly tanked the value of otherwise useful parts.
ArachnidMania@lemm.ee 2 months ago
SELL IT TO WHO, BEN? AQUAMAN???
ch00f@lemmy.world 2 months ago
My thoughts exactly. Didn’t think anybody would get the reference.
Kualdir@feddit.nl 2 months ago
Time to encourage people to switch to Linux instead
mooncake@lemm.ee 2 months ago
If Linux had more support for games I would
levzzz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Games aren’t much of an issue anymore, it’s the other software that keeps me from switching
XM34@feddit.org 2 months ago
I’ve been gaming on Linux for close to two years now. I believe there have been two games that actually caused some issues in getting them to run. But for the most part Proton does everything out of the box. And especially older games work way better than on Windows. There are no problems with compatibility mode or deprecated WinAPI-Calls. It just works.
The only thing I would advise is to install Steam and all your other launchers via Lutris. That will save you some hassle.
TexMexBazooka@lemm.ee 2 months ago
When’s the last time you tried?
I’ve been gaming on bazzite and haven’t found a game that doesn’t work. Haven’t had to touch a command line or anything, everything has been stable out of the box
Irelephant@lemm.ee 2 months ago
What games don’t work?
Most of the time, the issue is the drm on games or anticheat.
PeteZa@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Ironically SteamOS is based on Arch Linux lol
dingus@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I can’t get the more elaborate functions of my common Logitech mouse to work properly. And Linux systems like to cause my computer to periodically hang for some reason. In Windows, it used to BSOD, and I managed to fix the issue in Windows but it seems impossible for me to fix in Linux because of how vague of an issue it is.
ItsJannnneee@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
That moment when Microsoft tells people to throw away perfectly good working computers because they’re running Windows 10. When Windows 10 was just coming out or had just come out, Microsoft promised that Windows 10 would be the last OS of theirs, and there would only be updates. Also Microsoft is constantly sending messages to people running Windows 10 urging them to update.
SirEDCaLot@lemmy.today 2 months ago
I really wish there was something regulatory that could be done about this. There are millions of perfectly good fully working computers that are going to go in the fucking trash because of this. I understand the desire for a TPM on every machine. It makes sense in a way. But the pure environmental impact is just indefensible. All of those computers had a significant environmental footprint to build them and ship them and again to dispose of them plus building and shipping their replacements.
If Microsoft had such a hard-on for TPM, they should have worked with computer manufacturers to make some sort of retrofit system or way of easily determining if a TPM can be added to an existing computerscrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 2 months ago
I remember that “promise” too. And here we are
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip 2 months ago
Hold on to your butts.
Big influx of Linux-compatible office PCs hitting eBay soon.
phx@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
That and/or a big influx of vulnerable unpatched Windows machines…
Fedizen@lemmy.world 2 months ago
You can literally buy new thinkpads with ubuntu pre installed for $140 dollars off the price of a windows PC
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 2 months ago
Very good point!
Tenograd@feddit.org 2 months ago
This is the biggest garbage a tech company did to almost 256 million PCs in use and fully working. I installed Linux Mint on all three PCs I own. Free and works far better than I thought.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 2 months ago
My parents are now using Zorin os because it feels like Windows, and they don’t even know it’s not windows. For the vast majority of people who only use a browser it’s a no brainer to switch.
MellowYellow13@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I got PopOS a month ago and its freaking awesome
kalpol@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Mint runs on a 17-year-old Acer Aspire One I have. Slowly, very slowly, but perfectly.
ManaOatbun@jlai.lu 2 months ago
I took the last message I got from them as an invitation to ditch Windows for Linux. Now I wish I did that earlier!
meowMix2525@lemm.ee 2 months ago
The OneDrive plug at the end is *chefs kiss*
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 2 months ago
Is it relevant to the email at all? Nope! But we’ll keep them addicted to OneDrive out of fear!
Rai@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
“But don’t learn about Windows 10 LTSC IoT!”
real_squids@sopuli.xyz 2 months ago
if i remember correctly, some ltsc versions will get updated until 2029
Polderviking@feddit.nl 2 months ago
I love how in a world where we banned straws we are somehow OK with Microsoft pushing people to recycle they old system for some extremely thin security arguments.
Sturgist@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
paper thin security advantages.
And loads of highly intrusive, unremovable, anti-user bullshit.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 2 months ago
I love how in a world where we banned straws
We didn’t. If anything, we are in a world where we banned banning straws, because even this trivial token concession was considered a Violation of Our Fundamental Freedoms. Media personalities screaming and nashing their teeth over straws was a PR stunt by petrochemical companies to backstop any kind of radical anti-plastic reforms.
Anybody who asks me about Windows 10’s EOL date will be introduced to the option of using Linux before i’ll help them select a replacement system.
Cheers to this.
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 2 months ago
We’ve lost to climate change already. Can’t even get people to wear a mask. Asking them to completely change their polluting lifestyles? Impossible. What we do instead is ban plastic straws to pretend were doing something. Reality doesn’t matter, just how people feel.
cupcakezealot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 months ago
end of support for windows 10
beginning of support for linux mint
medgremlin@midwest.social 2 months ago
Yeah, my old desktop computer is getting turned into my first dedicated Linux machine and my current desktop isn’t getting updated to 11 until October 13th.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Trade it in or recycle it with local organizations
And what are those organizations expected to install on systems that can’t support Windows 11, Microsoft? What are they expected to install exactly?
Xavius@lemm.ee 2 months ago
Goodbye Windows, Hello Linux
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Windows 11 is the most secure Windows ever built
They’ve been saying that about every single one since that notoriously insecure one. ME, I think?
Also, I’m pretty sure that Tiny11 or the like is more secure if you consider data privacy important, since a lot of the privacy issues of Windows 11 are coming from the unnecessary parts of Windows itself…
sanguinepar@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Ugh. I’m going to have to seriously look at Linux, aren’t I?
Absolutely no idea where to start with that, nor whether any of the software I need for work (or indeed anything else) is compatible, not how I’m going to find the time to learn all this.
Bleugh 😔
tal@lemmy.today 2 months ago
Windows 11 is the most secure Windows ever built, with comprehensive end-to-end security
Does “end-to-end security” actually mean anything in this context, or is it just intended to evoke “end-to-end encryption”?
Mwa@lemm.ee 2 months ago
this is literally E-waste
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
Before you recycle your Windows 10 PC, keep in mind while Windows 10 22H2 is ending in 7 months, 21H2 LTSC Enterprise is still good for 1 year 10 months:
https://endoflife.date/windows
To download the 21H2 LTSC, go here:
https://archive.org/details/en-us_windows_10_enterprise_ltsc_2021_x64_202301#reviews
Then generate a free license key using the Ohook or KMS38 methods via PowerShell as explained here:
Disclaimer: I haven’t tried this myself so there may be some bugs/issues along the way. For my next laptop, I’m thinking about switching to Linux and specifically Ubuntu or Fedora, so this won’t really impact me
DioEgizio@lemm.ee 2 months ago
They’re not even ashamed of intentionally creating e-waste for people that don’t know that Linux exists
tengkuizdihar@programming.dev 2 months ago
Holy shit they really just said, “throw it away”. Troglodytes!
Opinionhaver@feddit.uk 2 months ago
What a coinsidence - I stopped supporting it too!
rmuk@feddit.uk 2 months ago
“Trade it in or recycle it” basically means “your best bet to solve this problem is to pass it on to someone else, who will pass it on to someone else, and so on until it arrives at landfill”.
fossilesque@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 months ago
This is incredibly infuriating and I’d honestly consider it ecoterrorism and abusive.
zer0bitz@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Im so glad I fully switched to Linux a year ago. Never going back to Windows.
ulterno@programming.dev 2 months ago
Throw it away.
Gently
In my direction
GrumpyDuckling@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
I said from the beginning that the tpm 2.0 requirement was a way to make people buy new pc’s. Good news for me who wants a laptop upgrade.
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
Windows 10 LTSC is supported until 2032, and is free to pirate.
BigTrout75@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Isn’t Windows 10 suppose to be the last Windows release? We changed our minds.
Yoga@lemmy.ca 2 months ago
Correction: it’s MY last Windows release. I invite it to be yours too.
plummydahusky@lemmy.world 2 months ago
Cue the people freaking out about ‘ERM well only if it’s an offline machine’ lol
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 months ago
That was never mentioned in an official Microsoft communication.
bravesilvernest@lemmy.ml 2 months ago
“Technically” lol I think one of their corp guys said it, but never endorsed it as a position.