Use Linux. And dont listen to zealts who say its not a viable option. Its actually way ahead than Windows or Macos
"You should probably just throw it away"
Submitted 1 week ago by scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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_carmin@lemm.ee 1 week ago
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
Right? People don’t think about the years (decades in some cases) that they spent learning Windows in order for them to be as comfortable with it as they are.
For those people, learning Linux should not take very long and once you do you will realize that it is superior in literally every way.
Hawk@lemmynsfw.com 1 week ago
Devils advocate. The m{1,4} chips are nice.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Depends what you do on your computer.
Macs are amazing and unique and, at the same time, extremely infuriating and very expensive.
computerscientistII@lemm.ee 1 week ago
And dont listen to zealts who say its not a viable option.
It is a viable option, especially for old hardware. I mainly don’t use it because I want to install an OS exactly once: When the computer is brand new. This is exactly when some shit is not working properly on Linux. But if you have old hardware, it will run no problems. Just install Ubuntu and Libre Office on it, pray that you get the printer set up, done.
itslilith@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 week ago
“pray you get the printer set up” is more of a windows thing. For ten years, over three versions of windows, I couldn’t get printing to work reliably. Switched to Linux, no problems since
Also, the new hardware thing is not really true anymore. Most things are supported from the get-go, or at least within a few weeks
Fedizen@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Glad those tariffs hit just in time
anon@reddthat.com 1 week ago
Anything but the penguin😂
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
What about the pengwings
deadcatbounce@reddthat.com 1 week ago
You should have thrown Windows away at the beginning of the century.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Browsing from a 12 year old laptop running Win7 … what’s the issue?
yonder@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Malware. All the malware 🪲. That thing better be airgapped.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Please explain how malware would get on my laptop now in a way that it didn’t, oh, say, in the last 12 years?
turnip@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Even JavaScript can infect you.
owl@infosec.pub 1 week ago
BUY A COMPUTER ALREADY YOU CHEAP F*****!!!
Shape4985@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
This doesn’t fix the e-waste issue. Its not always about the price of a new machine.
bleistift2@sopuli.xyz 1 week ago
I think owl meant to talk in Microsoft’s voice.
Granite@midwest.social 1 week ago
I just installed Mint instead.
riodoro1@lemmy.world 1 week ago
recycle it
Haha, like in the landfill or the incinerator?
ignotum@lemmy.world 1 week ago
No no no
You dump it in some third world country, out of sight out of mind
untorquer@lemmy.world 1 week ago
They act like the computer’s just going to stop working or something… People are going to use win 10 out of support for years.
SARGE@startrek.website 1 week ago
People in these comments act like the computer will just stop working.
untorquer@lemmy.world 1 week ago
There are lots of IT/SysAdmin on Lemmy so their work will have to switch. I think their concern/sentiment gives others the impression that personal PC owners will also have to switch.
smol_beans@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Microsoft finally embracing the Apple model of upgrading
jittery_shibe@lemmings.world 1 week ago
Well at least the second hand laptop market will be flooded by the companies deciding to upgrade to newer laptops for Win11, so a small upside.
tacofox@lemm.ee 1 week ago
I just lost out on the sale of two Lenovo P51 thinkpads because the CPU has been literally arbitrarily cut off. 32gb ddr4 2400mhz, quad core xeon, Nvidia GPU w/ 4gb gddr5, 512gb SSD. Because Microsoft decided to leave it off of a spreadsheet. Fuck this company….
lichtmetzger@discuss.tchncs.de 1 week ago
I have two Xeon E5-2697A v4’s in my system. 32 cores. My machine runs the latest AAA titles like Indiana Jones on maximum settings flawlessly.
Microsoft: “Just throw it away, bro.” Bless Lord Gaben for making Proton so good, I can run 95% of my Steam library on Linux, with better performance.
tacofox@lemm.ee 1 week ago
xye@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Yeah I lost it when I saw this too. But, because I waited so long to switch to Linux, it’s to the point where I feel it has so much of what was lacking the last time I used it. Easily over ten years ago. Thank you to everyone who slogged through it to get here.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 week ago
It took about a year of dual booting for me to finally feel confident using it, but now I’d never go back. It’s definitely not an overnight or weekend thing, learning the “Linux way”, but it’s worth it. It’s so much easier than it was even just 5 years ago, let alone 15
faythofdragons@slrpnk.net 1 week ago
It depends on what you use your computer for, really. My partner isn’t very tech savvy and doesn’t use their computer for anything more than watching youtube and writing emails, so porting them directly to Ubuntu was super easy.
madcaesar@lemmy.world 1 week ago
It’s probably a non monitored email but I just replied, “I already switched to Linux because of this”
zephorah@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Infuriating for sure. People can’t afford groceries or rent and Microsoft chooses to ride in with a, by the way, your computer needs to go, just buy a new one, k?
superfes@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Meh, I just saw this banner on my Win 10 desktop, which is not compatible with Win 11, I’ll just put Linux on it.
visnudeva@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
They just try to force people to buy another PC and so many “computer ignorant” people will…poor old ladies who click on the ads…
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 week ago
“Genius Bar” was always just a means of getting people back into the Apple Store to sell them another product.
nuko147@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Guess my parents will continue and will use unsupported OS in the future. Maybe i install Linux to my mother, as a beta tester for the family when i go visit them in the summer.
CallateCoyote@lemmy.world 1 week ago
They use it for basic everyday stuff like web browsing? I installed Linux on my mom’s aging laptop that she just used to sell stuff on eBay, browse, listen to music, back up photos, etc. Linux glides with ease on the machine when Windows slogged and she was able to understand the OS fine. Users today don’t really have to touch the command line at all unless they are doing something advanced. The GUI is just as easy to understand as Windows.
nuko147@lemm.ee 1 week ago
I don’t know. They maybe use only their phones now. I’m not sure. I better check before start anything. My father’s computer needs AutoCAD and office so probably gonna stay in Windows 10.
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 1 week ago
I recommend Zorin. My mother didn’t notice a difference. I just told her I “upgraded it”, and most she said was “oh they changed it again”. Did the normal setup of helping her sign into things, but haven’t heard a peep since
RedFrank24@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Trade it in to who? Who’s buying PCs that can’t be used? I mean there’s the retro market, but AFAIK they aren’t buying anything after Windows XP.
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
[deleted]RedFrank24@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Why would you want to though? I can understand the retro market because there is software like games that either won’t run very well, or won’t run at all on modern hardware. I’m in the market for a ‘powerful’ machine circa 2003-2005 for that exact reason.
When it comes to machines made in 2015? I’m not sure there’s a lot you can run on those machines that you couldn’t on modern hardware, apart from Windows 11.
I guess you could use them for things like media servers, but it would have to be phenomenally cheap, as in cheaper than cheap modern hardware.
Personally, my rule is a 10 year gap is old, a 20 year gap is retro.
toddestan@lemm.ee 1 week ago
That’s true, but the supply vastly outstrips the demand. They may make great Linux machines, but the majority of 10-15 year old computers have little to no economic value.
Retropunk64@lemmy.world 1 week ago
People who know that the computers can still be used.
Tieas@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
Yeah once windows 10 is done I’m moving to Linux. Use mint on the laptop but I’ll install it on my main PC unless valve launches steam os
synapse1278@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I recommend you to use a regular Linux distro for your PC, SteamOS is always going to focus on handheld devices which may not provide de best possible experience for desktop. Bazzite seems to be the hot Linux gaming distro at the moment, it’s based on Fedora (my personal favorite, also a good option for gaming IMO). Maybe, give this one a try ?
Tieas@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
I might have to give it a shot. I only use my computer for gaming so since I’m familiar with the steam deck I figured holo OS or steam OS or whatever it’s called would be nice. I’ll wait to see some reviews before I do it
rocketpoweredredneck@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
I want steamOS too, but Ive been dual booting bazzite for a couple of weeks and I love it.
Tieas@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
Its steam OS isn’t good or isn’t fully cooked I might grab bazzite and check it out
bfg9k@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Sweet, bunch of cheap laptops about to flood the market
gabbath@lemmy.world 1 week ago
For people who still need Windows:
I have a 10-year-old Surface Pro 4 and I was able to freely upgrade to Windows 11 and it works fine. It wasn’t technically supported but I enabled preview builds or something like that (I think I had to enable the Insider program) and it showed up as a Windows Update. I don’t know if this is applicable to all PCs that don’t support Win 11, but surely it’s applicable to some of them that Windows says don’t support Win 11.
HunterLF@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
Yes, it’s known that it is possible to do that, but Windows 11 has TPU 2.0 requirements for a reason. As they say, it’s for security. In my opinion, if you have to jump through so many hoops and loops to use a damn OS, just to use it as a home desktop or to use old tech, just move to Linux. You have Linux Mint, Ubuntu, Fedora KDE, Steam OS (not yet fully out), and many more. For a beginner who came from Windoes, I recommend Linux Mint. If you already have a Steam deck, for example, I recommend Bazzite (it’s non-imutable) or Fedora KDE Plasma.
gabbath@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Ah, no worries. I’m just sharing for folks who might need Windows for one reason or another. It’s a one time thing to upgrade either way, not a hassle at all. They might be weird niche unrepairable devices like my SP4 which may not handle Linux well or who knows. For clean installs there’s that nifty place with serial keys and builds whose name I forget right now.
As for Linux, I’m kinda torn. I had my fun tinkering with config files in the early 2000s in the days of Fedora Core 3 and KDE 3.x before all this Plasma stuff. The whole “year of the Linux desktop” thing left me disillusioned, although I did enjoy the Compiz/Beryl days. It’s probably better now but I’m too comfortable nowadays. We’ll see if things get dire enough that I need to jump ship again, I hope not.
a_wild_mimic_appears@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
i run nobara (a fedora spinoff) for a few months now, and it’s a great experience, i learn a lot about how the os works and it’s all visible! i feel like i modded my pc into a transparent machine - i can read up about simply every part of the os. i freakin love it :-D and all this while i can use it as before.
my last experience with linux was debian jessie - i was not so happy with that, and after i landed in dependency hell for the first time, i switched back. nowadays, with flatpaks and appimages, all those issues i was having in normal operation are gone.
thermal_shock@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Zorin os!
tibi@lemmy.world 4 days ago
While I agree this is a shit thing to do, I am looking forward to the influx of cheap hardware.
jaschen@lemm.ee 1 week ago
For those who is not quite ready for Linux and don’t want to be left behind, you have options.
Do a search for Tiny11. It’s super lightweight and you can set what you want to share with MSFT.
Old machines can run as well.
TheOctonaut@mander.xyz 1 week ago
This is just replacing one unsupported OS with another?
Irelephant@lemm.ee 1 week ago
unsupported by microsoft
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 1 week ago
I would highly avoid getting Windows from anywhere but Microsoft. That’s just asking for trouble.
Instead install Windows 11 Pro and then go though and remove the unnecessary apps. Then use group policy to tweak the system in a way you are happy with. You can do everything from disabling Bing search in start to preventing full screen popups from Edge.
jaschen@lemm.ee 1 week ago
Some of us have older processors that is more powerful than some current gen processors yet Microsoft decided that it’s too old and won’t let you install it.
Tiny11 is a community driven OS. I have been using it for years and has never given me any problems. If your computer is not able to legitimately upgrade to Win11, you can either spend money to buy a newer computer or install Tiny11.
ornery_chemist@mander.xyz 1 week ago
What a coincidende, the end of my support for windows is also approaching.
jk I srubbed that shit from my personal devices years ago after graduating.
BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 1 week ago
The ONLY thing I still apparently need Windows for is running OPL Manager and HDL Batch Installer for my Playstation 2 hard drives. Can anyone point me in a direction of Linux alternatives? I managed to get WinHiip running in Wine, but it can’t see the PS2 HDD from Wine. Pretty sure I need something that runs native, and for the life of me I cannot find anything. Which is really surprising to me.
merci3@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Back whe I used OPL, OPL-PC-Tools worked fine. OPL Mamager specifically also ran fine under wine for me.
If you find the time you could do some testing under a live media enviroment, I recommend Linux Mint if you haven’t tested it already :)
BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world 1 week ago
I’ll definitely check out OPL-PC-Tools, thanks! HDL Batch Installer just hangs on open, checking for updates. I have been running Mint since November. I can’t get OPL manager to launch at all. Regular Wine, Proton, nothing. I’ve tried brand new prefixes with fresh .NET runtime, it just refuses to start.
AnAustralianPhotographer@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Try Linux on it, specifically have a crack at raspberry pi os first. www.raspberrypi.com/software/ . See the section for Raspberry pi desktop for PC and mac .
Valmond@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Ah, got a little bit worried there, no linux propaganda in a whole bunch of replies!
Mint is so cool BTW, it’s like XP/Seven, it just works.
werefreeatlast@lemmy.world 1 week ago
Just recycle that shit! Here’s my…and address where you can recycle it to…
djvinniev77@lemmy.ca 1 week ago
Time to Linux it up!
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
Windows 10 LTSC is supported until 2032, and is free to pirate.
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 1 week ago
Sweet. This will totally fill my point of sale at home needs.
alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 1 week ago
It’s called LTSC IoT, but it’s normal windows. Actually much better because it doesn’t automatically install so much bloat.