I thought I had finally found a healthy drink I liked with no artificial sweetness and they had to go and fuck it up
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Liquid Death Quietly Adds Stevia to Tea Drinks
Submitted 5 days ago by Thatoneguy@sh.itjust.works to mildlyinfuriating@lemmy.world
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voracitude@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Showroom7561@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
Not only that, but unless you can guarantee that a significant portion users will recycle those aluminum cans, they are significantly more energy intensive to manufacture compared to single use plastic bottles.
Epicmulch@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I thought stevia wasn’t an artificial sweetener. It’s just a leaf.
Zanz@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
Stevie leaf extract is a petroleum base sweetener. It was used as an artificial sweetener , but then they found that it could be naturally occurring in small quantities and rebranded. It works like natural flavors where it can still come from petroleum so long as its naturally occurring with some source. I find it extremely bitter and soapy, just like almost every other artificial sweetener.
syreus@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Could you give a source? I can’t find ANY mention of stevia being “petroleum based”.
Afaik Stevia is entirely produced from the shrub.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 days ago
sounds more like aspartame, stevia comes form the stevia plant.
Welt@lazysoci.al 4 days ago
That’s the trouble with words like ‘artificial’ and ‘natural’. They mean nothing. It would be better to call them refined additives, because I expect the “stevia” would be in a refined, extracted form when added - whether substantially changed from the form present in the plant or not, this could be considered artificial, if we insist on using this word.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world 4 days ago
This is what bothers me the most from marketing. Uranium, arsenic and petroleum are 100% natural too
BangCrash@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Sugar is refined.
Ledericas@lemm.ee 3 days ago
the oop said it came from petro, which isnt true. the substance which used to extract stevia isnt organic though, probably using an organic solvent, but they purify it to some extent. but alot of stevia brands only used the pure stevia from the plant.
socsa@piefed.social 5 days ago
The unsweetened tea fight is a losing battle. The only way to get it is to make it yourself.
Lumiluz@slrpnk.net 4 days ago
This isn’t unsweetened tea either. It’s probably very sweet considering how high in the order agave syrup is
kcuf@lemmy.world 5 days ago
What about tejava (spelling?)
tomi000@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Why would anyone want to buy unsweetened tea? Its literally less work making your own than carrying the cans from the store.
socsa@piefed.social 4 days ago
When I'm out and about and looking for a drink on a hot day I'd love if regular unsweet tea was widely available. I hate buying bottled water but I also hate sweet drinks.
3dmvr@lemm.ee 4 days ago
I hate this brand, we now pay 6$ for water from a stupid can instead of having water bottles at festivals for 1-2$, the dude who owns it is friends with insomniacs owner, ruined water supply at every festival redbull is typically cheaper than water now at 4$.
turmacar@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Cans are actually recyclable. That’s the benefit. The rest is marketing.
Red Bull doesn’t give you wings either.
ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 4 days ago
The reason venues live the cans is that that can’t be recapped after opening, so they are harder to refill so you keep buying more instead of reupping in the bathroom.
3dmvr@lemm.ee 4 days ago
They throw away caps either way, but like 50% of ppl are nice and let you keep them
rumba@lemmy.zip 3 days ago
Also to keep people from throwing full bottles of capped water at people and hurting them
Default_Defect@midwest.social 4 days ago
Where the fuck were you getting $2 water at festivals? I remember paying $5 for anything to drink back when the Mayhem Festival was still a thing.
toynbee@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Insomniac like the video game company? Are they problematic? Or am I misunderstanding?
Forbo@lemmy.ml 4 days ago
The company behind massive music festivals like EDC.
3dmvr@lemm.ee 4 days ago
The company that has a monopoly on music festivals now, post covid especially.
3dmvr@lemm.ee 4 days ago
They keep raising prices, keep overselling down to the night of, damn near get crowd crushed every other festival, I kinda stopped going to the more mainstream ones because of it
3dmvr@lemm.ee 4 days ago
Forget your water backpack or theres a fat line? Liquid Death is there to empty your wallet, or you can die to dehydration.
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 4 days ago
How about drinking water from the tap? Much cheaper, not wasting cans, and healthy. If you live in a community with bad tap water, write a letter to your local water board, and buy a filtration tank you can put in your fridge.
If you must really have flavor, buy some of the powdered dehydrated lime or orange powder packets.
isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
I presume you’re not from the US.
Many municipalities across the US do not have drinkable water, and many more do not offer public access to water fountains. Thus, bottled water is a huge market in the US as free facilities are not always available.
I’m Canadian and I legitimately cannot recall the last time I bought bottled or canned water. I bring my two 18.9L jugs to the store to fill them with filtered water for $5 and that’s the extent of my “bottled water” consumption. Elsewhere, I carry a metal water bottle I can get refilled anywhere for free.
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Yes, the US is a mirage of a first-world country.
skuzz@discuss.tchncs.de 2 days ago
Have drank tap water across the US for decades. Some municipalities are crappier than others, but a fridge filter tank takes care of those places.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 days ago
That’s tea
Lightor@lemmy.world 3 days ago
Ahhh this line of logic. Yes, people can forego luxury items and save money while being healthier. You could never eat red meat, or drink soda, or have ice cream, sure, that would be much healthier and cheaper.
kerrigan778@lemmy.world 4 days ago
How were you convinced sweet tea was a healthy drink to begin with? health.clevelandclinic.org/what-is-stevia Stevia to reduce the amount of agave nectar used is making it healthier if anything. Can you actually taste it if it’s used sparingly in addition to real sugar?
OccamsRazer@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Stevia leaves a disgusting after taste and is an immediate deal breaker for me in any drink.
kerrigan778@lemmy.world 4 days ago
I agree if it’s the sole sweetener in a sweet thing. But if it’s combined with real sugar in a only lightly sweet thing I find it unnoticeable. I recommend giving it a shot.
ZeffSyde@lemmy.world 4 days ago
To be fair, I’ve heard it’s a migraine trigger for some people, but I suppose everything is a migraine trigger for someone.
notfromhere@lemmy.ml 3 days ago
Ow, my migraine.
BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 5 days ago
Stevia is not artificial you silly fuck.
tal@lemmy.today 5 days ago
Stevia is not artificial you silly duck.
Not to mention that while it’s OP’s money, but at least in the US, natural and artificial sweeteners (or flavors) can be chemically-identical. I remember a bit…might have been from NPR Planet Money on a substance that literally could be obtained either way, but some people thought that artificial flavors were bad, so there was a market for companies to go out and (more-expensively) extract the thing so that they could make the food they made say “natural flavor” rather than “artificial flavor”. The designation is just a function of whether you synthesize or extract the thing, the manufacturing process. It doesn’t say anything about the actual content.
BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 5 days ago
These are great reads. Thank you for the links!
Also, thank you for paraphrasing one of them, because they helped pique my interest further.
Appreciate you!
Thatoneguy@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
To clarify I don’t necessarily have an issue with stevia itself it’s the fact that it is usually mixed with erythritol which is bad for you.
BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 5 days ago
usually mixed with erythritol
Your photo shows no evidence of this.
is bad for you
I’m fucking done reading shit on the internet where people say things and expect us to believe them at face value. You made this statement, and it isn’t my burden to provide evidence to prove you correct, you will.
Please provide everyone here a link for us to read and change our minds.
The2b@lemmy.vg 5 days ago
Do you have any actual data showing that reasonable amounts of erythritol is worse for you than any alternatives?
Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 days ago
erythritol
Shouldn’t that be on the label if it was in there too? How can you assume it is when it’s not labelled?
IDK what shitty country this is from, but it’s for sure an illegal label here.
GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 days ago
You’re cooked
AstralPath@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
Weh, this got heated real quick.
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 5 days ago
Stevia is incredibly misleading as a product
BaroqueInMind@lemmy.one 5 days ago
I love how you say this, offer zero explanation as to why and just drop the mic.
I’m not here to defend Stevia, and I could give two shits about it; I’m here because I don’t believe you, unless you please provide usb all something to read, because we are done taking things people say at face value.
Lightor@lemmy.world 3 days ago
You’re wrong.
What is asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.
seven_phone@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Stevia can only be added in the manufacturing process by a cyclone valve which is actually quite noisy.
AnimalsDream@slrpnk.net 4 days ago
I’m sorry, you didn’t actually think this beverage was healthy to begin with, right? Lol
For starters, agave is one of the highest fructose-containing sweeteners out there. Our bodies can’t use fructose directly, so most fructose metabolism occurs in the liver where it’s converted to glucose. Overconsumption of it may promote metabolic syndrome even more than glucose.
The only two sweeteners I use are date sugar (whole powderized dates), and rarely molasses. Unsweetened teas might be an acquired taste for some, but after getting used to it, they generally add plenty of sweetness on their own.
Grabthar@lemmy.world 4 days ago
Why do all the 0 calorie sweeteners have to taste like a dead hobo’s arse?
daggermoon@lemmy.world 4 days ago
They don’t
boonhet@lemm.ee 4 days ago
The products containing them definitely taste weirder though.
Pepsi Max is about the only one that I think tastes decent. Fanta zero? Weird. Coca Cola Zero? Weird. Sprite Zero? Does nothing for me. Sugar free red bull? Ew.
Monster’s white Ultra flavour, whatever it’s called, is semi-ok. Watermelon Ultra is OK. But neither is as good as say, Aussie Lemonade, which has sugar in it.
Of course, I’m Estonian, so the baseline here is regular sugar, not HFCS. I love Fanta, but American Fanta was disgusting.
Buffalox@lemmy.world 5 days ago
This label is what’s called green-washing here, and is illegal unless what they are doing is a signifikant part of the price.
The labeling of what’s NOT in the drink is also under similar regulation, but I don’t recall what it’s called.Whatever country this is from has bullshit regulation.
The thing that is ABSOLUTELY NOT a problem is the Stevia which is clearly labeled!So the “mildly infuriating” part is completely misguided compared to the real problems of that product.
ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 days ago
It’s a US label and the percents are % of recommended daily intake. So that’s 3% of your daily recommended carbohydrate intake, 6% of your daily recommended intake of sugar, and 12% of your daily recommended intake of “added” sugar. The recommendation is something like, no more than half of your carbs should come from sugar, and no more than half of those should be added during manufacturing (i.e. most of your sugar intake should be from fresh fruit, etc.). So the numbers do line up.
Thatoneguy@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
Whatever country this is from has bullshit regulation. I’ll give you one guess…
GBU_28@lemm.ee 5 days ago
It’s not percent of total it’s percent of daily recommendation. I’m not defending that choice but it just isn’t the same.
Rivalarrival@lemmy.today 5 days ago
The labeling of what’s NOT in the drink is also under similar regulation,
For consistency, the regulations on labeling requires listing quantities of all of those specific nutrients, whether they are present or not.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone 5 days ago
Before this picture I thought Liquid Death was literally water in a can.
Had no idea they added stuff.
MelonYellow@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
Yeah the slogan goes “Don’t be scared. It’s just water.” So same here, I thought it was just water lol.
anus@lemmy.world 4 days ago
They have a few different products including plain water
ArtemisimetrA@lemmy.duck.cafe 4 days ago
The only benefit this company offers with their beverages is the non-alcoholic-but-not-NA-beer tall-boy. My recovering alcoholic friend brings these to parties if he knows people will be drinking and just hold one and I’ve watched him go sober through so many situations where he’d probably have had a drink before. Not that these are the only options for that, though, obviously.
And009@lemmynsfw.com 4 days ago
Sips from a can of tonic
Am i doin it rite
tal@lemmy.today 5 days ago
So, having a pre-chilled and conveniently-available product can be nice when you’re away from home, but if this is for at home, have you ever considered just, you know, making a pitcher of your own drink with whatever you want? Maybe take a Thermos of the stuff chilled or iced if you’re on the go? I mean, if you want agave as your sweetener, then you can make a drink with just agave and then tweak it to however you want. Food-grade citric acid is a preservative – I have a bottle in the pantry. You can purchase all sorts of flavors.
Like, if you buy a premade good, then you can benefit from the R&D done by the company, but if you have extremely exacting demands that you feel no company is making, you can rage about it or just make what you want. In general, drinks have an enormous markup – I mean, you’re mostly buying water with a little flavoring and coloring – so you can have exactly what you want and it’ll probably be cheaper, too.
shalafi@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I take my own unsweet tea to work in a thermos. If that runs out, I drink the bottled water they provide.
These are the same people that bitch about the plastic waste in Keurig pods.
Kolanaki@pawb.social 5 days ago
Man fuck that. I wanted to try these specifically because they said they only used agave syrup as a sweetener. Stevia, suclarose and aspartame always have this weird aftertaste and mouth feel.
makeshiftreaper@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Are they? These seem to be completely different products to me. One has caffeine and artificial sugar whereas the other has neither. I’d have a hard time believing these are the same products and not just similar ones with confusing names
tiefling@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 days ago
Flavored Liquid Death tastes like absolute ass to begin with
Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
This entire thread had been really disheartening
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe 5 days ago
Anything in a can is not going to be good for us
Ze_Rosie_Ro@lemmy.cafe 5 days ago
My fiance loves liquid death because it didn’t have anything for sweetness aside from the agave. Now all he’s gonna taste is the stevia. :(
MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works 5 days ago
The drink on the right is caffeinated, maybe that’s why they added sweetener? The label on the left doesn’t mention caffeine.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 5 days ago
Stevia isn’t artificial lol
Today@lemmy.world 5 days ago
But it tastes artificial and fucks with lots of tummies.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 5 days ago
I think anything you’re not used to has the potential to fuck with your tummy
digger@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
I have yet to find a low calorie sweetener that doesn’t bother my digestive system. My wife, who lives on diet Pepsi, doesn’t believe me.
isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca 4 days ago
Yeah Stevia tastes like poison to me, super bitter.
Basically all artificial sweeteners taste like either bitter or nothing at all to me. So I’m really angry when I buy a product I’ve been buying for years and it suddenly tastes like a Nintendo Switch cartridge.
>:(
Dkarma@lemmy.world 4 days ago
You’re thinking of xylitol which gets mixed with commercial stevia crystals to cut the sweetness
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca 5 days ago
Have we applied the same scrutiny to HFCS or refined Sugar itself? Or does sugar get a pass because it was the first plant processed for its sweetness?