Business ethics is the opposite of ethics.
Anon tries to be ethical
Submitted 8 months ago by Early_To_Risa@sh.itjust.works to greentext@sh.itjust.works
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Limonene@lemmy.world 8 months ago
hushable@lemmy.world 8 months ago
my business ethics professor was fired for sexually abusing a student
JJROKCZ@lemmy.world 8 months ago
So are most, it’s either rape or embezzlement. Most don’t have access to funds to embezzle so rape is more common
primrosepathspeedrun@lemmy.world 8 months ago
sounds like he was a master of the subject.
bobs_monkey@lemm.ee 8 months ago
toynbee@lemmy.world 8 months ago
This guy looks like Walton Goggins during the reading of Pierce’s will in Community.
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
Probably what businesses really want is unethical people who are competent at lying about it, and the professor was giving anon practical advice if not actually ethical advice.
khaleer@sopuli.xyz 8 months ago
They want those people as CEO’s, not as workers.
son_named_bort@lemmy.world 8 months ago
They still want workers who are willing to lie to protect the company. There’s a reason why whistleblowers tend to be blackballed from their industries.
_bcron@midwest.social 8 months ago
They still don’t want an honest 95%+ ethical person in any role because it might conflict with the corporation’s desire to have workers rationalize that the needs of the corporation are more important than ethics, ie not wanting to hire potential whistleblowers.
They want ethical but only to the point that they’re willing to be unethical for the corporation, but not to the point that they’d ever be unethical towards the corporation. Basically sketchy ‘ride or die’ logic
WiseThat@lemmy.ca 8 months ago
They want them even more as middle managers.
The CEO’s goal is to be able to say “we had the best intentions, I have no idea how it went so badly”, and that requires a bunch of layers of middlemen who are willing to do anything to meet targets
Xanis@lemmy.world 8 months ago
What businesses want are unethical people, but only towards everyone else. To them you must always be the pretty prim diamond unicorn princess who shit’s rainbows and profit.
Leate_Wonceslace@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
36 seems like an accurate score for someone going to Business School.
Sylence@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
For the most ethical of people going to business school. Everyone else lied.
recklessengagement@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Business school seems to be the exact polar opposite of therapy
Isoprenoid@programming.dev 8 months ago
American Psycho was a documentary.
olafurp@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Anon had a massive dunk on his professor lined up.
“You said there would be no judgement and said that people should lie rather than put an accurate score on an ethics survey. Wouldn’t that make your score lower than 36 then?”
canihasaccount@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The professor probably would have responded that his response was another part of the lesson: don’t trust those above you in a business setting.
sudneo@lemm.ee 8 months ago
I guess the answer would be “but I have a job already”…
Xanis@lemmy.world 8 months ago
“Yeah, and judging by how you immediately put down one of your students I suspect you lied to get it.”
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Goes to business school, shock that the people are twats. Yeah, they are going to school to learn how to be the owner class, what you expect, empathy?
MehBlah@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Anon learned his professor wants you to lie.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
kinda par for the course… literally a business course so…
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Counter with, “this isn’t a job interview”.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 months ago
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
Should have just said they were going to become a politician.
Lizardking27@lemmy.world 8 months ago
In business school
I think I found your problem.
medgremlin@midwest.social 8 months ago
I accidentally ended up at a religious university for medical school and you better believe I’ve gotten in numerous fights with the law and ethics professor (who, to be fair, is actually a MD/JD) regarding the prescribed conservative religious approach to the ethics discussions. I absolutely did not change his mind, but I did get a bunch of my classmates to start asking questions by putting myself out there and challenging the professor on their BS.
echodot@feddit.uk 8 months ago
I accidentally ended up at a religious university for medical school
Oh, yeah, we’ve all been there.
Also, religion and medicine don’t seem like things that should mix. They are bringing preconceived notions to the table that are not supposed by logic, that seems dangerous in the medical setting
fibojoly@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
I’m guessing the most important lesson in such a school is to not get upset when morons start praising God almighty after you saved their loved one in a day long operation or something.
SSJMarx@lemm.ee 8 months ago
religion and medicine don’t seem like things that should mix
I mean I get where you’re coming from, but I’m places that don’t have a secular medical establishment it’s usually spiritual practitioners that fill the gap.
medgremlin@midwest.social 8 months ago
Thankfully, the extent of the religion in the education is in the ethics discussions and strong recommendations to discuss spirituality and religion with your patients because faith communities are “very important”. The religion does not make it into any of the actual medicine or science.
Skates@feddit.nl 8 months ago
religious university
medical school
Alright class, now that we’ve removed the patient’s lungs, we’re gonna pray he gets better. Yes, I see a raised hand in the back row?
Yes, sorry - doesn’t he need a lung to survive?
Right, good catch. We’re first going to pray he grows a lung. Yes, you with the notebook?
Who will be doing the closing?
That’ll be sister Janr. Sister, 12 “hail Marys” and a closing prayer, please. Class dismissed.
And then I guess y’all watch as the man flatlines while the nuns go “please give this one some sutures God, I promise I’ll be good from now on” and “God, if ever you were going to grow organs, please, now’s the time. The man can’t breathe. It’s not his fault”
killingspark@feddit.org 8 months ago
“And I wouldn’t want to work for a liar” is the obvious comeback to this.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I’d say that this is one of the few exceptions to the “those who can’t do teach” stereotype being bullshit but clearly he sucks at teaching others ethics as much as he sucks at being ethical in his own behavior 🤷
primrosepathspeedrun@lemmy.world 8 months ago
well yeah. business ‘school’.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Yeah, teaching ethics at a business school is like teaching bicycle repair to a school of fish 🤷
Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml 8 months ago
I guess I look at this as the teacher setting the tone early to disabuse the students of any false notions of what the ethics class actually is. Shame they did it in such a shitty way, but I see that as part of their point too. I’m not sure I believe the scenario is necessarily real, but if it is, the message would be appear to be that going forward everyone must understand that this isn’t going to be about how to be ethical, but how to appear to meet artificial requirements that pay lip service to ethics. A teaching to the test kind of approach.
Teaching explicitly that they should act unethically (lie about their ethical convictions) to ensure they meet future expectations of falsely signalled ethics, and teaching that through a pretty unethical act of deception and public humiliation delivers this message quite succinctly and makes it pretty clear what to expect here on in.
BakedGoods@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
Those who who can’t do teach, and those who can’t teach manage. After working with normal people, teachers and managers I have concluded that managers should be excluded from homo sapiens sapiens. They are more like chimpanzees with some learnt behaviours that they don’t fully understand but will perform for a treat.
Asafum@feddit.nl 8 months ago
I don’t actually think I know what a manager is. I’ve always thought it was synonymous with supervisor, but I’m a supervisor and I do all the work the guys I work with do plus the “manager” responsibilities. There is no time where I’m just sitting around sipping coffee or whatever the memes are. I’m building shit and fixing the problems my team come across.
I guess I’ve just never worked in a place where I’ve had the kind of management people complain about.
ClockNimble@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Nah, he wants to see if anon can be shamed about his lack of ethics.
If he is shameless, CEO behavior.
If he is ashamed, McDonald’s behavior.
If you lie about it, then just par for the course and you can be a broker anywhere. Gotta feed out the line to find the narcissistic socios and not the stealthy ones.
psmgx@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Aye same thought. He was testing the group. OP should have been blunt like “IDGAF and was the only one of you honest enough to admit it”
Warl0k3@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Business school culture sucks, news at 11…
Wootz@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Agree, with arguments: theguardian.com/…/bulldoze-the-business-school
AVincentInSpace@pawb.social 8 months ago
On the one hand, this is a great article. On the other, I now have to go the rest of my day knowing that I said that about an article published by the Guardian.
nul9o9@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Listening to professors who are also chief officers of companies tickle the balls of capitalistic idealogies to young adults fresh out of high school.
primrosepathspeedrun@lemmy.world 8 months ago
that is business school, yes.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 months ago
There’s a Harvard Professor named Richard Wolfe who always likes to tickle his audience by asking the question “Why do universities have an Economics department that’s distinct and separate from the Business School?” And then he gets into the distinctions between the western ideology around economic planning relative to the practical education around running an efficient business.
The People’s Republic of Walmart also goes into this bifrication of western understanding of efficient economic practices. Theorists preach the value of competition and choice and flexibility and auction pricing, while successful CEOs tend to prefer strict hierarchies over regional monopolies with steady schedules and well-defined quotas and flat fees.
Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 months ago
I’m with the professor on this. If you self-identify as a mostly unethical person, I’d fire you too. I disagree with encouraging him to lie in the future though. 2 times out of 3, this guy says he’ll make a shady choice.
Quik@infosec.pub 8 months ago
The professor can’t be right, he said no judgement, be honest and judged an honest answer not for the frame of mind that lead anon to believe it, but rather for being honest (which he himself asked it to be), so I can’t see any valuable lesson here.
snooggums@midwest.social 8 months ago
That’s right everyone, the ethical thing to do is lie. What a great point to make.
Kimjongtooill@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
The scale is subjectively relative though. Maybe anon feels that because they eat meat, don’t recycle, don’t tip well, etc, that he is acting unethically. By that scale, he’s probably significantly much more ethical than someone without that awareness.
Gigasser@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Plenty of self hating people from former hyper religious households out there too. A lot of people in general, who hate themselves and don’t come from a religious household.
axum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 months ago
If a job asks you to rate your own morality, 9/10 times it’s a shit job as jobs worth having don’t ask this kind of bullshit.
So any firing would be sparing someone from a shitty employment.
hoshikarakitaridia@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I disagree. People like this will put any of their own gain above their morality. And if we look at this rationally, sure at first that means you will start living comfortable. But if everyone does what you do, the world around you would suck. And I’m sorry, I don’t want the world around me to suck, even if I have to sacrifice some potential gain for that.
And this is why, even as a completely egotistical asshole, your goals should be noble, even if only for your own sake.
And this is also why no one should promote lying if there’s not a damn good reason. This is not a damn good reason.
Mnemnosyne@sh.itjust.works 8 months ago
The irony being that the person who rates themselves as unethical is actually likely to be one of the most ethical people answering; someone truly unethical would’ve lied about it in the first place, or failed to even notice or acknowledge their unethicalness.
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 8 months ago
And on top of that, he’s so stupid that the 1 on 3 he does the right thing is revealing that. If not fired for being un ethical, fire because he’s an idiot.
jmsy@lemmy.world 8 months ago
why are ethics and sustainability in the same class? They are 2 different fields. It’d be like lumping a sociology and math class together.
FiniteBanjo@lemmy.today 8 months ago
I’m not actually sure what the point of this greentext is supposed to be.
It’s very clearly not a true story. Not particularly funny. Is this just a circle jerk for insulting people who wear a suit and tie to work?
Honytawk@lemmy.zip 8 months ago
It wasn’t a test about how ethical you are, but how moral you are
SatansMaggotyCumFart@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Any other place you’d be on the fast track to management.
dumbass@leminal.space 8 months ago
Be ethical by lying about being ethical!
Taleya@aussie.zone 8 months ago
Look in his face and say ‘that was an 8, not a 3’
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 8 months ago
I woulda told him to practice his preachings
Isoprenoid@programming.dev 8 months ago
Professor was acting unethically.
He claimed there would be no judgement, and then didn’t follow through on that condition.
He also instructed the student to lie in the future.
Where is my A+?
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 8 months ago
Sounds like business ethics to me.
Etterra@lemmy.world 8 months ago
Ah yes. “Ethics.”
makyo@lemmy.world 8 months ago
And the student himself acting ethically despite thinking they’re only 36/100
Etterra@lemmy.world 8 months ago
The teacher sold it to a different student who kissed his ass harder.
Empricorn@feddit.nl 8 months ago
Hypothetically, if you kidnapped the prof, tied him up and gagged him until he gave you an A, working you have earned it? Based on his example, and the voices in my head.