Oh no, Meta is shutting down official support for an old system?
Quest 1 becomes near-E-waste Apr 30
Submitted 11 months ago by fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com to games@lemmy.world
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gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
jkrtn@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
Does this make it possible to use the headset without ever having a Meta account? That’s the only way I’d be willing to interact with a Quest device.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Lol, of course not, you have to make an account to enable developer options to enable side loading
The stealing of our data is how they make the headset so cheap
gmtom@lemmy.world 11 months ago
But that doesn’t give security updates.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
That’s what happens with old devices and dealing with it is part of the cost of using them
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“BuT MeTa aNd TheIr MoNeY ArE GOOD FoR VR!!!”
I warned everyone. I warned everyone back in, like, 2016.
MotoAsh@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The second I heard Facebook bought Oculus, I knew it’d be ewaste. Fuck zuck and any piece of shit greedy pig like him.
NewNewAccount@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I was so excited about Oculus up until the acquisition.
They’re still doing interesting things I just can’t approach anything Meta does with enthusiasm.
glimse@lemmy.world 11 months ago
My BIL’s friend was an engineer at Oculus and he was so sad when they got bought out. He works at Meta now (golden handcuffs) and says it’s ok but not all that fun anymore.
ICastFist@programming.dev 11 months ago
I remember the dev of Frog Fractions was doing a kickstarter back then. After the announcement of Facebook buying Occulus, they put up a new bonus goal of 2 billion: “Buy occulus back”
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not trying to negate what you said, but I honestly don’t remember people saying that. I remember people complaining about Oculus being bought.
ThunderingJerboa@kbin.social 11 months ago
Are we going to ignore that VR adoption is basically held up by Oculus/facebook. I hate facebook and their support for their titles on the VR space are dreadful for instance it is unacceptable what they did with Echo Arena but you can literally look at the steam hardware survey and see that Oculus/facebook makeup nearly 70% (67.4% to be more accurate) of VR headsets in the market today for PCVR. Who the fuck is funding many VR game devs right now? I can tell you it ain't many publishers and the biggest one right now is Facebook as much as I hate to say it. Facebook absolutely is a crutch VR needs to survive in this market but we gamers should make use of them for as long as possible then ditch them whenever its convenient for us.
Hell the PSVR2 looking very juicy if that has great PCVR support and it doesn't require any ps5 nonsense to work but PSVR2 is a perfect example of how VR is not in a great place and a big part of it is price related. Like VR nuts (like I) would gladly pay higher tier prices for a good headset but to some average joe, they see a headset that costs as much as a fucking console that only works with a limited number of games. Hell the thing can even make you sick trying to use it. Most people aren't going to pay 1000+ dollars to try VR to see if they "like it", hell they aren't even paying $550.
Again I'm not here to advocate for Facebook but I will sure as hell make use of their investments in VR because they are sort of throwing that money in a fire pit with how the market is. Facebook plans on trying to fill that fire pit with so much money it becomes a bridge that is profitable and it might be in the future but right now if you want someone to try VR, a oculus headset is probably the best bang for your buck headset especially if you buy it used since realistically most people are going to play with it for a month then be done with it and try to hock the thing.
Anticorp@lemmy.world 11 months ago
So, they’re basically forcing it into the junk pile, even if developers want to support it. What a terrible company.
Dashmezzo@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Well it is meta. I am surprised they didn’t make them all just catch fire and burn down the owners houses.
Anticorp@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There’s no money in that for them. Now if they owned a real estate company…
NOPper@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Upon being handed a busted Quest 2 that indeed caught fire, I’ve found a lot of folks online that have had that very issue lol.
Unrelated, I fixed it and noe need VR game suggestions as this realm is the shit.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 11 months ago
lol it’s not even 5 years old?!? I appreciate Zuc giving me another reason to not buy their hardware
intensely_human@lemm.ee 11 months ago
It’ll be five years old this may. It’s four, going in five.
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“Because climate change doesn’t exist, so fuck you and fuck your grand children’s children. Our bottom line is what matters” - every company ever
PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
“Our headquarters are located in swamp-ass-backward-Florida”
KuroiKaze@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Meanwhile my OG oculus rift is still working fine
zzx@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Same. CV1. Fuck Facebook
Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 months ago
I mean, this will carry on working as a PC headset too. Doesn’t say they’re taking that away.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m about to revive my CV1 as I reinstall my gaming rig in a couple months. I hope it won’t be bricked by those Facebook idiots.
bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world 11 months ago
The only silver lining is that this will encourage the homebrew scene to take off. The same thing happened with the PS Vita as soon as support started to wane.
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
And 3ds And OG Xbox And PS3 (though it took some exploting) And Wii U Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head, anyways
bigmclargehuge@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Oh yeah there are loads of great example. Point being, official development means nothing for the homebrew scene. If anything, it might actually be a good thing because there won’t be any updates to break homebrew apps
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
Yeee anybody who bought these as an actual standalone headset is in for a rude awakening of how console gaming works and how app store monopolies and vertical integration are able to offer you prices that massively undercut the competition like this.
As always - PC games are forever, piracy is forever. My quest 2 exists to have VD on it and nothing else, and when support is discontinued if the dev keeps updating it - I’ll sideload the .APKs myself.
Rentlar@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
My worry and the main reason I’ve not jumped for one, is that with the requirement of a Meta account and stuff, Meta could decide to just have all their headsets of a certain generation stop working after some date even if you only use desktop streaming.
Are there any known workarounds/safeguards against Meta remote control of the device?
piskertariot@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I have used my pi-hole to blacklist all the oculus, meta and facebook domains, so I don’t get firmware update pushes on my Q1.
BUT, I did have a weird out-of-sync issue with Virtual Desktop a few months ago when I thought I had properly version locked.
All I ever wanted my Quest to be was a monitor. The fact that they could brick a monitor because they feel like it’s obsolete, is asinine.
thegreekgeek@midwest.social 11 months ago
evranch@lemmy.ca 11 months ago
My quest 2 exists to have VD on it
Sounds a lot like a girl I knew back in college. Do you also share it with all your friends and people you barely met?
PlantDadManGuy@lemmy.world 11 months ago
God bless Jessica
UnaSolaEstrellaLibre@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Is there a homebrew scene with these Quest devices?
antidote101@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Yeah, via SideQuest (which is a sideloader program), and most game engine support quest development. However it wouldn’t surprise me of Meta were able to present that.
They really are horrible to devs, they offer no real support, especially for Unreal devs, and their dev forums are practically dead.
They don’t understand how to encourage devs. I was thinking of getting a Meta Quest 3, but this post has me reconsidering.
UsernameIsTooLon@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Not quite homebrew, but SideQuest is the least hassle free solution for many alternatives and games.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
God I hope so. This is ludicrous. People are still developing NES games ffs! A friend of mine did.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 11 months ago
It’s just Android iirc.
Dunno how much enthusiasm there is for a homebrew scene because the 1st gen was weak as shit, and the main selling point is you can use them as a PC headset, which is going to get you a better experience than any game run natively on it.
rickrolled767@ttrpg.network 11 months ago
I can’t speak for the quest directly but I’ve used programs like sidequest to load homebrew games onto my quest 2. It’s also really easy to do so I don’t think they’re quote going to be e waste yet
fidodo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
We thank you for being our beta testers, now fuck right off
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It’s not even a beta tester thing. They just bought it from Oculus, made a few minor changes (most notably requiring you to have a Facebook account to use it) and that was it. This is a “force consumers to upgrade” thing. And it should be illegal.
fidodo@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I thought the on device camera based positioning was developed after Facebook bought them and hired John Carmack
MolochAlter@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It should still work fine with SteamVR right? I’m not too pressed.
AbsurdityAccelerator@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Will it? I would love to try out VR gaming but I really don’t want to be locked into meta’s ecosystem.
MolochAlter@lemmy.world 11 months ago
It currently does, I still use mine both standalone, and linked with my desktop on the oculus platform and SteamVR, since i disliked how cheaply made the oculus 2 was.
Right now I’m waiting for a competitor to the quest to even appear on the market, since there doesn’t seem to be any other standalone option right now.
fmstrat@lemmy.nowsci.com 11 months ago
There’s also SideQuestVR
DdCno1@kbin.social 11 months ago
The same thing will happen with WMR headsets in November of 2026, by the way:
https://www.uploadvr.com/windows-mixed-reality-headset-support-end-date/
Since these depend on Windows itself, I don't think there will be an easy (or even possible) workaround.
Sad news, because these are cheap, high-res, fast to set up, easy to use and generally very decent headsets. Controllers are not top of the class, but good enough for almost anything. Ideal for people interested in tipping their toes into proper PCVR.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 11 months ago
There are already third party/open source drivers being developed for WMR hardware, though. Like Monado.
It’s unlikely WMR headsets will be completely unusable after M$ drops support, but A) they will still work with existing systems, B) third party software will hopefully be okayish by then and C) it will almost certainly be possible to “pirate” the Microsoft WMR application(s) the same way it is already possible to manually re-add modules back into Windows that have been officially discontinued.
DdCno1@kbin.social 11 months ago
Thanks for informing me about Monado, but it seems like it's exclusive to Linux. That's hardly ideal. Then again, it's more than two years until November of 2026, so a lot might happen until then.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de 11 months ago
What a lame early April fools joke.
randon31415@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Does quest 1 have access to virtual desktop? If so, can you just keep playing off of your computer hardware? Or are those 10kB patches virtual desktop has to download RIGHT NOW five minutes after you start using it really important to the operation of the streamer app?
Mango@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Hold up. I can’t make an app for you because that asshole over there says no? Refund that shit. The hardware clearly isn’t yours, so your money should make it’s way back to your wallet.
summerof69@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Where does it say that you can’t make an app? From my understanding, you can’t distribute in their store. Nobody is taking away your hardware.
jacksilver@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Meta/Facebook has the quest locked down so you can’t easily install run apps without using their store. By preventing developers from releasing new games/updates on the store for quest 1, they’ve effectively killed the product.
Its the same as if Apple stopped supporting an iPhone in the app store. That phone is no longer able to install any apps on it.
hperrin@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I’m really hoping that Valve releases a new headset by the time my Quest inevitably becomes unusable.
DdCno1@kbin.social 11 months ago
I would expect Valve's next headset to be expensive, complex and requiring extensive configuration by the user, just like their previous efforts. Pretty much the polar opposite of the Quest.
Maalus@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Obviously you’ve never had a headset from Valve. It is literally plug in 3 things, setup space so you don’t hit your monitor (optional) and play it.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Device was released May 21, 2019. So about five years of use, assuming someone bought one on release day.
Meh.
flumph@programming.dev 11 months ago
And? Why take active steps to stop it from working instead of just stopping technical support? Oh yeah, to get more money.
intensely_human@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Why assume that’s what I was saying?
JCreazy@midwest.social 11 months ago
I have a Quest 2 that i haven’t touched in almost 2 years. I should sell it.
terrrmus@kbin.social 11 months ago
Since the Steam Link app came out on it, it's been waaay easier to play PCVR titles. I've had more fun with it playing modded games that weren't meant for VR than actual new VR games. Valheim was nuts. Skyrim VR modded to hell is super nuts. It's a great way to re-experience some of those old games.
bykdd@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
“WE ARE GREEN”
summerof69@lemm.ee 11 months ago
Why? I don’t see what blocks people from using it with a PC.
ech@lemm.ee 11 months ago
“Thanks for your support in growing this community without any compensation from us that we will throw in the trash the moment it becomes less than profitable. You can continue your unrewarded work for our new and ‘improved’ product that will face the same fate in just a few short years!”
Abucketofpuppies@lemmy.world 11 months ago
With the current pace of VR, the Quest 1 already feels extremely outdated. I’m not surprised that they are dropping support for it, especially when the Quest 2 and 3 have all but replaced it
Ultragigagigantic@lemmy.world 11 months ago
What would happen if you did a charge back if you bought one with a credit card?
FeelThePower@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
same thing happened to my Samsung mixed reality headset. I’ve just said fuck vr entirely if companies are going to do this. reminds me of how Apple used to be where people would patch new fully working iOS version features onto old phones to bypass artificial obsolescence.
redcalcium@lemmy.institute 11 months ago
Made me wonder how long Apple would support their Vision Pro devices. The Quest 1 was released on 2019, so it got about 5 years of support. Apple might support Vision Pro for longer (maybe 7 years?), but at $3499 (vs Quest 1’s $399), it’ll going to be hurt for the owner when it’s no longer supported.
wowwoweowza@lemmy.ml 11 months ago
What is a quest 1?
Kir@feddit.it 11 months ago
I hate this so much. Why should they be able to do this?
One thing is stopping customer support and internal software/OS development. But why should they BLOCK compatibility for third party developers?
voracitude@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I guess because fuck you, they got their money 🤷 It really should be illegal.
Annoyed_Crabby@monyet.cc 11 months ago
Tech company, they love E-Waste. Your thing can still play fine? Fuck you, buy our new shit that have all those privacy invasive tracker loaded into it, and let us snoop around so we can share your info with other tech company.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 11 months ago
I still can’t fathom people are somehow okay with buying a device that is, by design and function, festooned with cameras and microphones from goddamn Facebook and waving it around inside their homes. Like, what?
Kir@feddit.it 11 months ago
But they make their new products with 10% of recycled plastics and a cardboard box! SO ECO-FRIENDLY!
scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 11 months ago
By killing the product completely they’re forcing their users to upgrade. It’s always profits man, that’s always the reason
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 11 months ago
It’s called “planned obsolescence”.
Kir@feddit.it 11 months ago
I know. I was saying that is so unreasonable that they shouldn’t be allowed to do it.
That said. I hope people are not so stupid to trust Meta with an upgrade after something like that.
Gigasser@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Better to have invested in a Valve Index I feel than get an Oculus. Might be more expensive, but I trust Valve to not completely fuck over their consumers.
50MYT@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Minor exception is Australia.
Valve hates Australia (valve lost in court over refunds here).
So we don’t get access to their hardware directly. It’s lame.
ThunderingJerboa@kbin.social 11 months ago
I mean not really. Again the index is a great headset but look at how long people actually use their headsets for. Is it better to throw your money into a pit that is $400 or $1000. VR is a weird since you either love it or hate it. Most people are going to hate it and many people aren't really into the idea of reselling their stuff. This isn't to say facebook good or some nonsense like that but from a prospective customer's standpoint why spend so much money on something you might not even like. You don't have to drill any holes in your walls to put up base stations while inside out tracking isn't great it gets the job done and again its far more convenient. I like the option to have base stations but again realistically putting in so much work for something you might only spend a week or month on is not a great investment of your money or time. If you like VR, I would highly suggest getting a better headset than a quest or oculus headset but a newcomer I will 100% suggest a quest over anything else especially a used model to save them extra cash.
FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 11 months ago
Because we own nothing now.