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See? Bar is higher.
YOU HAVE HURT THE FEE-FEES OF THE CHINESE PEOPLE!1!!!
Submitted 15 hours ago by Godric@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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nullspace@lemmy.world 3 hours ago
psycholocomotor_no2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
This isn’t what happened as far as I can tell. He just lost ads and sponsorships.
arotrios@kbin.earth 14 hours ago
Challenge accepted.
Mao was a rapist as bad as Trump.
Yep, kids too. And on top of that, he was just fucking gross
Oh, almost forgot... Taiwan is not China, Hong Kong deserves independence, and FREE FUCKING TIBET ALREADY.
Attachment: media.kbin.earth ↗psycholocomotor_no2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
I seriously cannot find any sources on the rape stuff aside from yours.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
That’s because it’s a lie. Because capitalists have to lie about socialism or we’d all be socialists.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
It’s like a bug zapper for tankies
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today 8 hours ago
I miss when nazis were scared.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz 6 hours ago
Are you seriously calling him a nazi for citing facts about Mao?
DudleyMason@lemmy.ml 6 hours ago
FREE FUCKING TIBET ALREADY
Mao already did, ShitLib. The Lamas will not be getting their slaves back no matter how many white people they con into crying about it.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
Regarding your source for the claim of Mao as a sex abuser, The Private Life of Chairman Mao by Li Zhisui, here’s what Wikipedia has to say:
Several people have questioned the authenticity of the book. Li’s memoirs were not based on original records or personal diaries. During the Cultural Revolution, he burnt all of his original diaries and, as such, the book was based on restructured memories which might be wrong or fallible as Li’s collaborator, Anne Thurston, admitted.[14] Historian Frederick Teiwes accused Li of being “anti-Mao”.[15] According to Tai Hung-chao, who was the translator of the book, Random House, the company which published the book, wanted to add more “juicy bits” to the book such as Mao’s sex life in order to attract a larger readership.[15] Li disagreed with this line of approach, but eventually gave in to it.[15] A statement protesting that many of the claims made in Li’s book were false was issued soon after its publication, signed by 150 people who had personally known or worked with Mao, including Wang Dongxing, Li Yinqiao and Ye Zilong.
The about this site section of factsanddetails.com is also especially concerning:
I am not professor or an expert on the subjects I write about but I have done a fair amount of reading about them. I try to use good sources (see below) and have been doing what I am doing—collecting and organizing information and facts— for some time and feel I have developed some skill at it. The text is written in factoid style generally using language found in travel guides, magazines and newspapers rather than academic journals. I don’t have footnotes and bibliographies but I often list sources at the end of the facts or under the first fact under each subheading. When a source is not listed the information: 1) can be taken to be a generally accepted fact (often seen in at least two different places); 2) has been arrived at through observation (direct or second hand through other sources) or by common sense; or 3) was taken from a newspaper or magazine article that didn’t attribute it.
In other words, hearsay is totally fine and allowable information.
When I started this project in the 1990s I used mostly print sources such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Daily Yomiuri (a Japanese newspaper), The Times, National Geographic, Smithsonian magazine, The New Yorker, Time, Newsweek, U.S. News and World Report, The Guardian, Atlantic Monthly, Archeology magazine, Natural History magazine, news services used by these periodicals such Reuters, Associated Press and AFP, information from national tourist offices, tourist brochures I have picked up from places I have visited, Lonely Planet Guides, other travel guides, Compton’s Encyclopedia and various books and other publications.
In other words, near-exclusively western media, with no alternative perspectives whatsoever.
When I started this project I was living in the Washington D.C. area and called every embassy and national tourist office and asked them to send all the information they had—and started with that. Later, I collected the newspapers, magazines and books that I listed above and every few months spent an entire day cutting them up and putting them in piles based on country or topic and put the piles into boxes with previous piles, ending up with about half a room full of article-filled boxes. The piles of articles used so far for China and Japan alone, when added all together, would probably exceed three or four meters in height. It is a crazy system I know but is ultimately easier, more comprehensive and reliable than relying totally on Google searches.
In other words, the site maintained lived in the heart of the US, and found sources directly from the US state department.
As for Taiwan, their own self-described title is the Republic of China, who do not claim independence from the mainland but instead sovereignty as the self-percieved legitimate government of the mainland as well as Taiwan. Saying “Taiwan is not China” is actually against Taiwanese identity. The question isn’t whether or not Taiwan is Chinese, but whether the government in Taiwan or Beijing is the legitimate government of China.
As for Hong Kong, as of 2019 (the latest polling) only 17% want independence from the mainland. Hong Kong was already freed from British colonialism, and has now been returned to China as the era of colonialism has ended.
There’s no actual polling data concerning Tibet that I can find. However, prior to the intervention of the PLA, Tibet was a feudal slave society with rampant sex abuse.
The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation — were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. [22]
Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.” [23] Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet. [24]
In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who was raped and then had her nose sliced away. [25]
zeejoo@thelemmy.club 14 hours ago
The tankies are coming in hot with wikipedia sources. It’s also fucking hilarious that you’re like "I can’t disprove tibet wants independence so I’ll just call them all savages and pedophiles while sourcing the sketchiest website in history. Bro get Maos micropenis out of your mouth and stop licking boots.
Derpenheim@lemmy.zip 11 hours ago
I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on Ukraine and Palestine. Im certain they are sane.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Challenge accepted.
Goes on English posting site
Shakes fist at Foreign county
Posts low-key racist memes
Nobody in China knows or cares
We did it
RedditLemmy!EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
Please explain the racism part.
No really, if it’s racist, I don’t want to further racism, and would like to know how it’s racist.
arotrios@kbin.earth 14 hours ago
Wow. Didn't expect it to work so fast. You ok, boo boo?
TheEighthDoctor@lemmy.zip 8 hours ago
What was racist about any of that?
Catgrass@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Biased sources gtfo
yucandu@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
But the information is correct, despite any perceived bias of the people reporting it.
NeilNuggetstrong@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Wait I thought everyone on Lemmy were communists. Thank god
measureyoucanpleasure@piefed.social 6 hours ago
gross
relatable … til i’m basically mao (born wrong)
measureyoucanpleasure@piefed.social 6 hours ago
He claimed he needed the waters of yin — or vaginal secretions — to supplement his own declining yang — or male essence, the source of his strength, power and longevity.
fr fr
bloomnolia@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 hours ago
If it can be destroyed by the truth, it should be destroyed by the truth
This message brought to you by Tiananmen Square
Ninja876@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Its not “some” of the broadcasters, it ALL the broadcasters. china is in full censorship mode on this guy.
yucandu@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Their censorship isn’t working anymore. The walls are breaking down, people are using VPNs, and Chinese people are talking to us on western social media sites. They can still believe it’s all western propaganda lies, but they can’t hide from the truth anymore.
psycholocomotor_no2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
I think the response has actually been something like “wow, Americans and Europeans really have it that bad? I thought that was propaganda. It’s real!?!”
souma@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
This is 0% true
Freeposity@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
How is that even insulting?
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 14 hours ago
The insulting part is where he says (paraphrased) "I don't like this meme because Mao killed a whole bunch of people and I didn't (I think)."
Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
I probably wouldn’t sponsor someone who wasn’t entirely sure they hadn’t killed a whole bunch of people, too, tbh.
Blibittyblah@futurology.today 15 hours ago
Oh man, don’t insult Mohammad either. These people. Jokes.
Freeposity@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Like with Obama’s joke about Trump this week saying that the White House renovations made the building look like “Saddam Hussein opened a Cheesecake Factory”.
The GOP flipped out about the cheesecake factory part, but not about the comparison to Saddam.
For those not in the know, Trump’s style of decorating has a name that existed long before 2016, it’s called “dictator chic” and it is the same decorating style Saddam, Qaddafi, other dictators and drug lords embrace.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
The GOP flipped out about the cheesecake factory part, but not about the comparison to Saddam.
A strategic decision to make this about insulting white people, rather than comparing Trump to a historic National Enemy.
It flopped, in large part because Republicans have fully forgotten how to meme. But it’s the standard conservative racism jujitsu.
Blibittyblah@futurology.today 14 hours ago
how dare you call my house a McMansion!
yucandu@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
What are you talking about? They don’t make it a criminal offense to broadcast anyone insulting America. In fact they have people whose job is to go on TV and make jokes about how stupid America is. They have entire networks dedicated to talking about how much they hate the current administration. Insulting America is like an American national pasttime.
Compare that to China where every news network messaging is enforced by the state, and saying anything else is illegal.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
As an American who also insults America this thread doesn’t make me mad at anything more than how people stupidly hold another ape up as a paragon and then argue whether they were shitty or not.
copingwithelmons@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Why do they even like Mao so much? Dude was only good for helping them get the country. Literally nothing else.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Why do they even like Mao so much?
Same reason Americans love George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Adam Smith.
He’s a Founding Father of the modern nation, a spiritual progenitor of their economic philosophy, and a guy with tons of media to play up as nostalgia bait for the Chinese equivalent MAGA nationalists.
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
I’ve never understood the stereotype that Americans idolize a bunch of old white guys from the 1700s.
Most people I know don’t give a single shit about them, and the ones that do are very vocal about their dislike of them.
It’s pretty widely accepted that they were all garbage human beings by today’s standards.
If you mean Republicans idolizing them but only in specific circumstances that support bigoted worldviews, then sure.
zeejoo@thelemmy.club 14 hours ago
There’s kinda a large gap between Jefferson being a sexual predator and Mao allowing 25+ million people to starve in the great leap forward. Definitely feels like one requires ignoring a lot more in order to defend.
yucandu@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Same reason Americans love George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, and Adam Smith.
The average Americans have never heard of Adam Smith.
copingwithelmons@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Okay, makes sense.
He’s meant to be a legendary figure.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 14 hours ago
Life expectancy doubled under Mao. Foot binding was ended. He was instrumental in the victory of China against Japanese imperialism. China rapidly industrialized under Mao. Without Mao, there certainly would have been someone else playing his historic role, but the important factor is that it was indeed Mao that led China to liberation and helped set in stone the modern prosperous China.
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
Life expectancy doubled
After a few hiccups.
yucandu@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Imagine opposing fascism while supporting the one guy that was worse than hitler.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 1 hour ago
Uh... hell no? Mao fucked up hard, but ultimately he fucked up; he wasn't in it to kill people. Saying he's worse than the Hunger Plan guy is frankly ridiculous.
Cowbee@lemmy.ml 10 hours ago
Hitler intentionally killed about 5% of noncombatants in Nazi-controlled areas of Europe. We aren’t including soldiers at all. Under Mao, around 2.5% of China died in famines that could be partially attributed to aggressive industrialization. Arguing that Mao was worse for mismanaging industrialization than someone that industrialized mass murder to deliberately kill undesirables is horrendous historiography. It isn’t a coincidence that Mao is near universally loved in China while Hitler is near universally hated in Europe.
Captain_Stupid@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
.ml lmao
Forester@pawb.social 10 hours ago
So wait can we just summon you like this?
Railcar8095@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Is it me or you just placed a whole paragraph of arguments in somebody’s 10 words post just to Terry to win an internet fight nobody else knew was happening?
Because that’s just sad.
gastroglizzy@piefed.social 9 hours ago
Hitler executed about 8 million people, about 6 million of whom were jews.
Stalin starved about 20 million people.
Mao oversaw the Great Famine, following his order to kill all the sparrows in China, which lead to the starvation of 60 - 80 million people, depending on who’s counting.
psycholocomotor_no2@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 hours ago
Why the hell do deaths under communism always seem to include every person who died from any cause not from old age, while the deaths of fascism only include people who were executed?
Objection@lemmy.ml 8 hours ago
Wikipedia lists the range of estimates for the famine as 15-46 million, so your numbers are beyond even the high end of that.
It also lists the number ]killed by the Nazis](en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victims_of_Nazi_Germany) in mass killings as 11 million, which doesn’t account for at least 39 million combat deaths in the European theater of WWII, which Hitler started.
I’m not sure why you feel the need to minimize Hitler’s death toll or inflate Mao’s, as if even the lower range was not a dismal failure. The policy was so much of a failure that overall life expectancy in China stagnated, before continuing it’s meteoric rise. You can see it very clearly around 1960 in this graph:
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.cafe 14 hours ago
ol_capt_joe@piefed.social 9 hours ago
China, dude, relax. With Trump in the white house you’re so perfectly poised to take the throne… why you gotta ruin it by being a petty betty?
We can talk a trade deal, but first you have to unwind.
umbrella@lemmy.ml 7 hours ago
it wouldn’t be wise for any country let alone china to be trying to strike deals with the US, even moreso now that they are even more openly meaningless.
deft@lemmy.wtf 10 hours ago
Cult.
stickly@lemmy.world 21 minutes ago
The encapsulation of Mao:
Zapp Brannigan revolutionary with no plans beyond bravado. There was/is no universe where a nuclear holocaust ends in sunshine and roses instead of the (functionally) permanent crippling of the human race. That lack of critical thought is still infecting leftist conversation today: vastly underestimating the cost and implications of actions and relying on blind appeals to moral determinism.