When the Democrats regain power, their centrist leadership will claim, "We can't do anything because...". Don't be fooled. We need to get the corporate centrists out and real progressives in!

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SoloCritical@lemmy.world ⁨1⁩ ⁨hour⁩ ago
El-Sayed for President!

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BluescreenOfDeath@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
I’ll be the first one to say that the current Democratic party needs replacing, but they’re not wrong.

Or did everyone forget that you need a supermajority in the Senate to get past the Presidential veto?

Is anyone truly naive enough to think that Donald Trump would sign anything the Democrats put forward? The man who told Republicans to tank legislation with things they wanted in it to avoid giving Democrats a win?

Unless you’re advocating for a revolution, you have to work within the system. And it’s not the Democrats fault that is easier to break a thing than to fix it.

It’s always easy to point out a problem. Solutions are what we need, and all this kind of post does is discourage left-leaning people from voting, which is what the Republicans want.

So unless you have something resembling an actual solution, this just seems like virtue signaling to me.

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- Mulligrubs@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  They never, ever need a super majority. EVER.
  
  That rule can be changed at any time by majority vote. That rule is a parliamentary rule and is not law.
  
  Don’t be duped. Please look at what they call “the nuclear option.”
  
  There are over 180 exceptions to the super majority so far (last time I checked, a year or two ago).
  
  (fun fact: the “nuclear option” was called that be Trent Lott, a Republican, in the 2000s. Both parties immediately adopted the term because it scares the shit out of voters. What was it called before that? “the nuclear option”.
  
  Don’t be a sucker. If they want to pass something, viola! It’s an exception (like our budgets). If they don’t want to pass something, but they want the voters to think they do, “oh no, super majority, super sorry we tried”)
  
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  - BillyClark@piefed.social ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    You are thinking of filibuster, which I agree is just like you’re saying.
    
    However, they were talking about overriding the presidential veto, which is specifically defined in Article 1, Section 7 of the Constitution as needing a 2/3 majority in both houses. Not a simple majority. You also cannot adopt a rule that supersedes the Constitution.
    
    Here’s the specific paragraph that I copied from Wikipedia
    
    Every Bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a Law, be presented to the President of the United States; If he approve he shall sign it, but if not he shall return it, with his Objections to that House in which it shall have originated, who shall enter the Objections at large on their Journal, and proceed to reconsider it. If after such Reconsideration two thirds of that House shall agree to pass the Bill, it shall be sent, together with the Objections, to the other House, by which it shall likewise be reconsidered, and if approved by two thirds of that House, it shall become a Law. But in all such Cases the Votes of both Houses shall be determined by yeas and Nays, and the Names of the Persons voting for and against the Bill shall be entered on the Journal of each House respectively. If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten Days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the Same shall be a Law, in like Manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its Return, in which Case it shall not be a Law.
    
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- UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  they’re not wrong.
  
  Why can Republicans govern with a slim majority while Democrats consistently need a supermajority?
  
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  - Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    The democratic party accomplished all of its goals during the biden administration: they sold weapons for genocide.
    
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  - BeefGyro@lemmy.zip ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Because they also have the office of the president.
    
    Currently anyway.
    
    If one party controls both houses of congress and the president and has a sympathetic Supreme Court majority they can do a lot more than if they only have one or 2 of those things.
    
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  - daychilde@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Republicans historically do not fucking govern. They give tax cuts to the oligarchs and otherwise have a concept of a plan in two weeks. They lie and lie and lie. They are the ones pushing the “gummit is borken” lie - and making sure it appears to be true.
    
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  - RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Probably because the Rs are more loyal overall.
    
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  - homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Executive Summary
    
    The evidence shows multiple plausible answers depending on how one defines “dominate.” Recent sources most commonly point to the Democrats’ control of both chambers during the 117th Congress (January 3, 2021–January 3, 2023) as the last time they held unified congressional control, while earlier notable periods include the 111th Congress (2009–2011) and historically larger majorities like the 89th Congress after 1964. The statement therefore requires clarification of terms—“dominate” can mean simple majority, large supermajority, or sustained multi-decade control—to be answered precisely
    
    factually.co/…/when-did-democrats-last-dominate-c…
    
    Contemporary records and syntheses within the provided analyses indicate the 117th Congress (Jan 3, 2021–Jan 3, 2023) as the latest period when Democrats held both chambers, with a House majority and a Senate majority realized through a 50–50 split and the Vice President’s tiebreaking vote. This configuration coincided with the Biden administration and enabled the Democratic leadership to pass key legislation during early 2021, illustrating functional control despite narrow margins. Reliable repositories of congressional composition and institutional histories corroborate this timing as the most recent instance of unified party control in Congress cited across multiple analyses, making the 117th the default answer when “dominate” is used to mean holding both chambers —————————————————-
    
    That was after the republicans facilitated a global pandemic. The time before that was after the republicans destroyed the global economy. The time before that was before most of you were born: —————————————————————
    
    3. Earlier high-water marks: 111th Congress and the 1964 landslide
    
    If “dominate” implies a more comfortable majority or a legislative supermajority enabling broad agenda-setting, earlier periods fit better. The 111th Congress (2009–2011) provided Democrats with substantial House and Senate margins that facilitated major policy initiatives during the Obama administration, and analyses explicitly call this a recent example of decisive Democratic control [4]. Going further back, the 89th Congress following the 1964 electiondelivered the largest Democratic majorities since the New Deal era, enabling the passage of transformative legislation associated with President Lyndon Johnson’s agenda. Historical accounts position the 1964–1965 period as a classic instance of one-party dominance in Congress, distinct from the narrow 2021–2023 control
    
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- SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I will say that there’s immense value in symbolism, performative values, and simply being caught trying by voters. Yes the President will veto anything good, but fucking make him do it. Go on social media and the talk shows to rip him a new one for all of the good things that he’s actively preventing. Move the Overton Window. Change the terms of the public discourse.
  
  Governing long ago moved beyond mere parliamentary procedure; it also needs to be a show that the people in the cheap seats (a.k.a. low-information voters) can watch.
  
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  - AppleTea@lemmy.zip ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    Careful, that almost sounds like something a competent opposition party would do.
    
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- Rentlar@lemmy.ca ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  The thing is that you are looking too short-sightedly for the internal (non-revolution-like) reform path. The goal for change is 2028, but change in 2028 can’t get off the groind running, if a 2026 sweep doesn’t.
  
  What Congress can do is to compel Trump administration officials to get their asses into the chamber. They can put articles and lawsuits with appropriate standing to:
  
  Halt ballroom construction.
  
  Halt reckless and unnecessary tariffs.
  
  Halt the endless war spending on the unauthorized military adventure Iran.
  
  Halt funding for Israel.
  
  Abolish/stymie/revoke funding from ICE.
  
  Have the DoJ release the Epstein files.
  
  Congress under leadership of feckless Republicans and sometimes Democrats haven’t asserted the power of the purse. For budgetary matters, votes can be held removing the cloture rule. And if Trump refuses to sign a bill voted on D-party lines to fund the government while implementing changes, the government will shut down once again and the bill will await him on the desk until he signs it. He will try to shift blame, but the government has shutdown led by Republicans or Democrats, the common thread is his incompetent ass in charge.
  
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- inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I don’t think that OP is expecting Democrats or Progressives to get things through the Trump administration without a supermajority that can override his veto. What we are hoping for/expecting is that Democrats and Progressives to say “Fuck you, we’re passing this bill and sending it on.”
  
  Medicare for All? “Fuck you we’re passing this bill, veto it motherfucker!”. Taxing rich people? “Fuck you we’re passing this bill, veto this PDF”. Repealing the Medicare cuts? “Hey, asshole, we passed it, oh and go fuck yourselves”. Repeal the procedural filibuster? “Fuck it, we’ll do it live!”. Impeachment? “Hey, it’s Tuesday, this asshole just did something unbecoming of the office, guess it’s time to have another impeachment hearing, oh and fuck you, that’s why.”
  
  Just try instead of rolling over on day one, what we’re asking for even if you know it’s destined to fail and show that you’re willing to do the work. Back your shit up with actions instead of just words of “Well it’ll never pass so we’ll never try”. Say what you will about Republicans, when they get in power, they do not give a fuck and will introduce every bad idea in their head and dare the President to veto it and that’s why their base votes for them consistently.
  
  That’s what OP I think is asking people to remember.
  
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- JustPlainDave@lemmy.zip ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  You’re expecting a lot from people who’d rather stay home and claim some moral high ground while the world burns around them.
  
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  - isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    You’re just judging people based on your imagined stereotypes.
    
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- isleepinahammock@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  A little reading comprehension would indicate that the current discussion is clearly talking about cases where Democrats also control the presidency. Your whole comment is a non sequitur.
  
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- daychilde@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  you need a supermajority in the Senate to get past the Presidential veto?
  
  And the threat of filibuster, it’s a double-whammy
  
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  - granch_bibblyfibble@piefed.social ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    They can make the filibuster be an actual Mr-Smith-Goes-To-Washington event again and fucking FORCE those fucking assholes to stand up there and talk for 24 hours straight. The change in filibuster behavior, which Republicans enacted, to just table anything that the other side said would be filibustered, should end. And spineless Democrats should do it and take credit for doing it, and looking like they give a damn again.
    
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uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
We need to organize twelve million Americans under a common manifesto.

If the Democrats don’t take power in 2029 (both houses of the legislature and the executive), if they fail to move quickly, overhauling SCOTUS and ironcladding elections to stop tampering and voter suppression cold, then the US public needs to occupy Washington by multiple millions with a list of demands.

Or general strike.

Or riot in multiple municipal areas hard enough to overwhelm responders.

Or go on a billionaire assassination spree.

If we cannot do that, then we’re all going to be packed onto the cattle cars. Not necessarily all together, but the US will fall to one-party autocracy.

US Dictatorship by 2033 is on the BINGO card.

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aesthelete@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
When apparently you can just rename everything America and after yourself at whim as President, the never-ending excuses for getting nothing done during Democratic presidential administrations will not cut it for me this time.

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SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
The real trick: Republicans know their best shot of winning elections is to energize their base with “Democrats are going to destroy the country so you must go vote” while at the same time promoting the narrative “Democrats won’t do anything so you should bother voting” to de-energize the opposition.

It’s a very very obvious strategy being deployed here.

But go on and pretend you’re an edgy contrarian while spreading the exact narrative the fascists want you to spread.

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- Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  Conservatives will always be organized by bigotry and greed, which coincidentally are the things you need to be rich.
  
  Dems fight over party ideals and nitpick each other to death.
  
  In the primaries, be nitpicky. In the election, vote the guy who wont endanger millions of your neighbors and friends. Vote the guy who wont stuff money in billionaire pockets. Even if theyre pandering, a blue conservative is better than a red one.
  
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- TheFinn@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  This one is actually encouraging people to get involved and put in the work to fix the party. It isn’t like all the other posts I’ve seen that seem designed to discourage people from voting.
  
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  - urthoughtsrbad@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    None of it discourages people from voting. Y’all are wilin out.
    
    Vote for the lesser of two evils, but don’t tell me to stop calling them evil. They are. It’s disingenuous.
    
    I’m starting to think you folk are the ones getting paid to squash talk of reforming the party. You on payroll for a corporate dem?
    
    Or maybe calling everyone who disagrees with me a paid shill is idiotic. But hey, you all started it.
    
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Tollana1234567@lemmy.today ⁨3⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
also a supermajority dem had problems, they had too many DINOs in the party.

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mlg@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Lol I already said a year ago that even if they gain a supermajority, they’ll still somehow fail to successfully impeach Trump.

For the third time.

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- myyass@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I got the notion of this a long time ago. I mean like Obama expanding the Patriot Act. Like thanks for doing what I voted for you not to do. The opposite of progress is Congress. And there’s a whole lot of Cons.
  
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BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
My favorite Mamdani quote:

“For far too long, our party has seen its job as managing decline instead of delivering material change for working people,” Mamdani said at a rally headlined by Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders. “It has seen its job as explaining why we cannot instead of showing how we can”

The Corpo-Establishment, MAGA Lite Dems are going to try to be losers again, but the new DemSocs aren’t going to allow it, and more importantly, neither are we. They will do their jobs this time, or they will be treated as harshly as MAGAs.

If they try to sandbag the next Dem administration again, in another transparent attempt to hand it back to the MAGAs, then they will be treated the same as MAGAs, and end up in prison or at the end a rope.

We’re nearly as fed up with Dems as we are with MAGAs, and it starts with Schmuck & Jeffries. They are the first to go, to make way for real Democratic Leadership, and not just Manchurian MAGAs.

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daychilde@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
What the fuck is this nonsense? I’ve been saying for years that one of the reasons Democrats aren’t doing more is because Republicans are able to shut them down.

That’s only one reason, yes:

No supermajority means filibuster (which has been more like “the threat of a filibuster” or “someone whispers the word ‘filibuster’”) has real power and Republicans have used it effectively

Yes, establishment Dems are centrist and not progressive, but they have tried to do things that got shut down, q.v. above

Yes, plenty of Dems are also corrupted by oligarchs throwing money into the system

There are mulitple reasons we haven’t seen more progress, but this is not a new thing anyone is saying. Or maybe some people are just waking up to it, but OP’s image is full of bullshit if they think some of us haven’t been yelling about this for quite some time - because people think “Elect Democrat president = solve all problem” and this is VERY NOT TRUE. Same with Democrat majority in Congress.

And this is yet another reason why I think we’re beyond fucked.
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- BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  We need to help Progressives take over the Dem Party, and replace the party leadership. We can’t allow the next era of Dem power to be managed by Schmuck & Jeffries. They already had their chance, and literally EVERYTHING they’ve done has helped MAGA gain strength and regain power. They are at least 50% of the reason that MAGA took over again, and they’ve done less than nothing to earn the opportunity at a second chance.
  
  It’s long past time to make huge changes, from top to bottom. We can’t allow another term like the Biden term. The next Democratic term has to show substantial progress on Democratic policies, and massive rollbacks on MAGA treason, as well as criminal punishment for MAGA treason, corruption, and pedophilia, or it will be the end of America.
  
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  - daychilde@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    See, this is where while I might nitpick on a couple of things, I’m in at least like 90% agreement, and certainly 100% agreement on the conclusion. It irks me when so many are like “I know what we need to do, but some of the progressives that could help solve this are supporting one thing I disagree with, so fuck it, I’m out”.
    
    Because you are right - we’ve got to have progressives in charge. And it’s not because “my team win, I win”, it’s because they win for EVERYONE. Progressive policies work for everybody except fascists.
    
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CADmonkey@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Maybe if you werent such a fucking defeatist? I think this sort of post or comment should bw downvoted and ignored as russian/chinese/whoever propoganda, but just in case you’re real:

Should they get voted in, call and write them, everyday, demand to know why they haven’t fixed the problem. Don’t be “nice”, either, remember that repub congress critters are scared of their constituents, and they were (at first) doing what their voters wanted.

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- BrainInABox@lemmy.ml ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  
  ignored as russian/chinese/whoever propoganda
  
  BlueMAGA can’t even be bothered to pick a specific foreign country to scapegoat all their problems on anymore, now they’re just blaming foreigners in general
  
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- frisbird@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  LOL. What are you, 18? You think letter writing and call in campaigns do anything? Man, voting doesn’t even do anything. These people don’t work for you and they don’t care what you think except as far as they can keep you working and not trying knock over their gravy train. They don’t give a shit about angry phone calls or letter or email or petitions. They haven’t cared for at least century.
  
  Listen. Go research the civil rights movement. Go look at the black voter turnout and tell me that the reason civil rights passed is because of voting. It wasn’t. It was because of riots. How do we know? Because both the Ds and the Rs were forced to capitulate in successive terms. Nixon had to do a ton for civil rights because people were in the streets threatening to shut the system down. And then you know what he did? He launched the drug war to further criminalize black people and the hippies that supported them. And you know who stepped right up to help? The Democrats. Because that’s who both parties are. They are racist, misogynistic, genocidal PR firms providing spin to different audiences so that the population doesn’t try to stop the empire.
  
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nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
We also need to keep protesting for them to do the things we need them to do.

Getting complacent when a D is elected won’t fix these problems.

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Mulligrubs@lemmy.world ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Pro-tip: The “real progressives” will turn out to be Fettermans (at best).

Watch and see. The DNC is not paid to present progressives.

They will allow a small amount to hold office for appearances, but the higher up the pyramid you go, the less progressive they are.

Any time you doubt me, please compare the USA to any other “progressive” nation on Earth.

Poland now has better worker benefits than the USA. POLAND.

Mexico now has universal healthcare. MEXICO.

I’d love to be wrong, I vote every election and you should to. But the faster Americans realize that the DNC is not on their side, the better. I don’t think we can vote our way out of this.

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nullify3112@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Just watch them do a full archeological expedition to excavate the word “bipartisan” and then watch them cherish it as the treasure most sacred to our failing democracy.

Suddenly they won’t do things because they’ll be worried about what the right thinks. They’ll throw their arms in the air when the but think of the possibility of not having getting the votes in congress. They’ll tell us they tried nothing to revert our wealth inequality madness and say they are all out of ideas. They’ll claim that the poor being absolutely miserable and their conditions worsening is the American way and the debt is too big to do anything about it. Suddenly a balanced budget will be back on the menu with a whif of austerity hanging in the air.

We’ve been there before.

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Unsealed9041@lemmy.ca ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Very true. Dems had a supermajority and sitting dem president in 2009 and chose to sit on their hands instead of fixing healthcare in a materially significant way or codifying abortion rights. They left abortion in the hands of a lady that had more cancers than a lab rat.

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psycho_driver@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Yeah but we need to vote for anyone in the end other than the fascist fuck party.

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- frisbird@lemmy.ml ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I hate to break it to you but there’s a ton of Ds in the Epstein Files.
  
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  - fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
    This traitor is all over this thread.
    
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FluidBeef@quokk.au ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If another Democrat president is allowed to happen they’ll argue that Trump-style dictat cannot be used to materially improve the life of citizens instead of to enrich one man and his friends, because it’s not fair or something,

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Malica@lemmy.zip ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
If they don’t both get removed from power, the rot remains

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K1nsey6@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
This is more reform bullshit, which history has shown us countless times does not work

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adarza@lemmy.ca ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
well, the thing is. they actually won’t have much power at all. sure, they’ll be able ton control the flow of legislation through congress. but that’s it. dipshit will still veto anything his handlers don’t like, and democrats won’t have the numbers in either chamber to override.

if you want to see democrats actually accomplish something worthwhile that benefits people and the planet, give them a super majority in both chambers of congress and control of ~ 40 state legislatures.

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dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
They need a parade of constituents at their local and DC offices reiterating demands.

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- BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
  I pass my loser Democratic Congressman’s office often, and I think I’ll start visiting. This traitor just signed that ridiculous anti-socialist pledge, one of only a handful of STUPID Dems who thought they should cooperate with MAGA Propaganda. My first visit will be to let them know that I expect him to vocally condemn ALL MAGA bullshit of any kind, and to vote against ALL MAGA legislation.
  
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homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world ⁨13⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago
Dig this big crux

During the 2025-2026 congressional sessions, several significant pieces of legislation were passed that showcased deep partisan divisions. The key issues included:

Budget Proposals

Healthcare Reforms

Voting Rights

The voting patterns on these issues were characterized by strong party-line divisions, with Democrats and Republicans largely voting in alignment with their party’s stance. This trend reflects the ongoing polarization in Congress, where bipartisan support has become increasingly rare.

Summary of Votes

| Legislative Issue | Party Support | Key Points |\

| Budget Proposals | Mostly along party lines | Significant disagreements on funding allocations and priorities. |\

| Healthcare Reforms | Divided by party | Controversial changes to existing healthcare policies. |\

| Voting Rights | Strong partisan divide | Debates over access to voting and election integrity measures. |
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