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  • homes@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    We didn’t put paying taxes. We just quit paying unfair taxes to the Crown.

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    • Denvil@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Quit paying unfair taxes to the crown

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      • thorhop@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        “No taxation without representation”. If the colonies got representatives in Parliament, that flag would look mighty different.

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    • TallonMetroid@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      A reminder that the taxes in question were levied to recoup the costs of French and Indian War, which the colonists started.

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      • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        And, which was largely fought (and won) in a way that dramatically benefitted the colonists.

        Ever wonder why there are so many places with French names just slightly inland from the original 13 US colonies have French names?

        • Bayou La Batre, Decatur, Lapine, Leroi, Mon Louis, Dauphin Island, etc. Alabama
        • Louisville, Paris, Versailles, Montpelier, etc. in Kentucky
        • Leroy, Napoleon, Montpelier, Saint Croix, etc. in Indiana
        • Bellaire, Bellefontaine, Louisville, Marietta, etc. in Ohio
        • Dubois, Duquesne, Labelle, Fort le Boeuf, Eau Claire, etc. in Pennsylvania
        • The name “Michigan” itself (originally Ojibwe, but interpreted into French), and a whole lot of parts of that state, including Detroit
        • Ozark (aux arcs), Benoit, Bellefontaine, D’Iberville etc. in Mississippi

        New France went from the Gulf of Mexico north, included all the Great Lakes, and kept going up to Hudson’s Bay. American settlers couldn’t go west without entering New France, so England fought a war to allow the expansion west. It won that war. The resulting treaty gave the British colonists in the Americas a huge amount of territory they could expand into, leaving only a small amount behind for France and its native allies.

        The British colonists in the Americas were asked to help pay for the war that gave them that opportunity to expand west, and they rebelled. And then, after the rebellion, they decided they didn’t need to abide by the terms of the British treaty with the French and took over most of the remaining land that France had been left after that war.

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      • CommanderCloon@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Didn’t the boston tea party start because they lowered the price of legally imported (and thus taxed) tea, undermining smugglers?

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    • GarboDog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      We just like how the “un fair taxes” they teach is actually way lower than the taxes US citizens have now adays.

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      • ftbd@feddit.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It really depends on what you’re getting in return. If your taxes paid for your healthcare and education, things would be different

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      • homes@piefed.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        The checks were unfair because they went to the crown rather than back to the American people who are paying them in the first place

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      • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It was also 1/10th what the British citizens were paying at the time.

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  • meekah@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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      • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Jokes on you.

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    • dogdeanafternoon@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Is this just for the memes? Or do people actually not like fireworks?

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      • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        They’re boring, loud, and pointless.

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      • meekah@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I can only speak for myself, but I do think fireworks should be much more regulated. Each year 10,000 people get hurt from fireworks in the US alone, and it’s pretty horrible for the environment. I do appreciate the cultural importance, so I don’t think completely banning them is the solution, but I think it would be much better if there were just a few organized firework shows, and no more fireworks for private use.

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      • Rusty@lemmy.ca ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If you’ve seen one, you’ve seen them all.

        Unless someone can invent the real equivalent of the fireworks Gandalf usef in the LoTR movie, I’m not interested.

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        If you have a dog or a cat, it shouldn’t be too hard to figure out why some people don’t like fireworks

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      • gmtom@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I have pets and any firework related holiday I have to hole up with them all night to comfort them. And that’s just on the days I know they will have them, basically all of autumn and winter have dickgeads randomly setting off fireworks for god knows what reason. It’s hell

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      • DupaCycki@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Do you have any idea how many homeless (and some with homes too) animals die from heart attacks caused by fireworks?

        Or how many people with ptsd, anxiety, or other issues need to cover their windows and ears, just to not have a panic attack?

        All just so a bunch of retards can laugh about their great country.

        Same for all other countries on new year’s eve. Except the ones that banned fireworks.

        I can excuse people having intellectual disabilities and not realizing this. But anyone who does and still chooses to play with fireworks belongs in a re-education camp.

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  • kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Are people under the impression that the US revolution and independence was specifically about not paying taxes? That’s some libertarian shit right there.

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    • thedeadwalking4242@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      It’s the narrative pushed In alot of schools in the USA

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      • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        I distinctly remember writing some report about taxation without representation, thinking it was some super important American principle. I was real confused when I learned about Puerto Rico

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      • merc@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        alot of schools

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    • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No one ever accused Americans of being smart.

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      • TachyonTele_Esq@piefed.social ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Listen pal, I wish you were in front of me. Me and my two buddies would take you 5 to 1.

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    • ohulancutash@feddit.uk ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Colonists were even paying tax at a 90% discounted rate compared to those in Britain.

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  • Leviathan@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    This is one of the most effective propaganda lines to keep idiots voting for less taxes for the rich and corporations.

    You didn’t stop paying taxes, you started getting services and representation in your legislature in exchange for paying taxes.

    Ironically, you guys pay taxes to Israel in exchange for nothing now.

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    • HugeNerd@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      you guys pay taxes to Israel in exchange for nothing now.

      Nonsense, we get free trips to the desert (god’s idea of a chosen land) to go lick rocks!

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  • thezeesystem@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You know what’s also not cool. Making using fireworks illegal because it might cause a fire but don’t ban the selling of fireworks.

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    • nullspace@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Fireworks enthusiasts should take their fireworks to a fireworks range when they want to use them and keep them locked in a fireworks case when not in use.

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    • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The greatest punishment from God is that the pretty fireworks that aren’t loud and annoying are also the ones most likely to cause fires

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  • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Lemmy is starting to really tire me out with constant negativity. The niche comms I sub to are mostly quiet, and the big ones it seems like everyone is at each other’s throats.

    This was a joke, in shitposts. I thought it was worth a chuckle, but not really worth dissection and all the negative energy.

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    • vinyl@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      then don’t be part of the community? you’re not being held back.

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      • JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Thanks for providing evidence to my point, I guess…

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  • Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    When we quit paying taxes… to England.

    It’s a half thought, but anything sounds deep to a giant idiot.

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    • SalamiDommie@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh get over yourself. Most of us who did 6-7th grade history understand that the “no taxes” period of the Rev War was about everyone understanding if they cut off england they could take this massive new country for themselves. It wasn’t but a few years before Hamilton and the rest had do the treasury and more.

      It isn’t that it is “deep”, it is that is a silly little jab at history.

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      • chiliedogg@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Taxes pay for community benefits and projects like roads and police and fire services and public education and (ideally) healthcare. Those paying taxes should have representatives to help ensure their constituents are benefiting from the taxes they’re providing.

        The American colonies were being taxed without representation and therefore meaningful benefits from the taxes they were paying. The British government was present in the colonies, but they were there for the purpose of trade and tax collection to benefit of the Crown and those in England.

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      • Snapz@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        It’s not silly. It’s ignorant and dangerous.

        America is very broken, but the concept of taxes is how we have roads, bridges, first responders, teachers and a number of any decent society’s basic needs that the free market didn’t give a FUCK about.

        Too many ignorant folks who don’t understand a progressive tax system, focus on the wrong “enemy” (the minimum wage either versus the trillionaire) and completely buy into the rhetoric you defend here that perpetuates that. And end up voting for people that take everything, build nothing and create the hell these purple irrationally feared in the first place.

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  • callouscomic@lemmy.zip ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    The U.S. literally started charging insane taxes right as the country began. They even teach Shays Rebellion in school.

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    • TheKingBee@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The whole story only makes sense through the propaganda lens, brave freedom fighters against an oppressive government taxing them for no reason.

      Then you read the actual context and it’s a bunch of new aristocracy high on slave money mad that the empire refuses to let them expand past the boarders established in a war that benefited them and they are now having to pay taxes for.

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    • ozymandias117@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      If they taught Shays Rebellion in your middle/high school, you went to a much better school than I

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  • 5ha99y@lemmus.org ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I see taxes as a good solidary thing but we need far stronger regulations or personal interest direction where the tax should go

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    • RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      No we shouldn’t. Imagine where the taxes would go, and then understand where people would make sure they didn’t go. A shitload of people are racist, self serving, and shortsighted.

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    • MrEff@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I would rather my tax dollars don’t go to government investments of ripping Pokémon boosters and magic cards. The military would also balloon more than it already has.

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    • starman2112@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Suddenly 1/3 of the entire country’s budget goes to the military lmao

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  • Zephyr@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Hear me out, just start a religion where fireworks are a form of religious ceremony. Although you’ll likely still pay tax on procuring the materials to manufacture the fireworks.

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    • Drusas@fedia.io ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I once had a tabletop RPG character based on that concept.

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  • Katana314@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Ugh. How does MA have to keep reminding this part of history?

    No taxation WITHOUT REPRESENTATION. Having a voice was the important part. But asking people to parse a conditional is too much.

    “If you breathe mercury, jump off a bridge.”
    “You’re telling me to jump off a bridge!???”

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  • Uranus_Hz@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Wait, what idiot thinks that the 4th of July is a celebration of not paying taxes?

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  • HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s why I buy mine on the rez

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  • damwab@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Then don’t get the fireworks? I’m a huge advocate to just ban the entire thing worldwide anyways. Let the cities organize big shows but no private sales, it’s massively wasteful for both your pockets and the environment.

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  • modus@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I want to see some fireworks special interest group successfully lobby to have taxes dropped on fireworks in June.

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  • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Know what’s really not cool Bobby? Using ai to approximate King of the Hill when there are real King of the Hill screenshots you could’ve used.

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    • PhoenixDog@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Wut?

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      • chuckleslord@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

        Why is this ai when there’s so much king of the hill material that isn’t? You could even use the actual screenshot from this actual scene, rather than some ai nightmare fuel

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  • SalamiDommie@lemmus.org ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Based and lib pilled

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  • Siegfried@lemmy.world ⁨2⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You americans can always crawl back to the king of england and ask for forgiveness

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