$1130 CAD for the 512gb model.
I built my gaming desktop for that price and it has a 4070 super.
Next word generating companies have literally made personal computing unaffordable for the next decade (at least).
Valve has raised Steam Deck prices in the US
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PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
carotte@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
have literally made personal computing unaffordable
…not if you buy our XBOX GAME CLOUD!!! and WINDOWS 365!!! rent forever and own nothing! the future is looking bright 🤑 /s
FreeBooteR69@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Cold day in hell i ever subscribe to that shit.
tal@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
unaffordable for the next decade
If you’re talking RAM prices, those are expected to come down in early 2028, so 18-ish months.
Exec@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
So how are they expected to come down? If new capacity becomes available the ai companies would gobble it up again.
garretble@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I hope people here give Valve the same flack they gave Nintendo and Sony for raising prices.
Hell, the Switch 2 went up $50 and everyone on Lemmy lost their god damned minds in that thread because “Nintendo bad” or whatever. But I’m sure because it’s our sweet baby angel Gabe on his 20 yachts we’ll all be reasonable about the $200+ upcharges.
Look, none of these companies WANT to raise prices on these consoles. It’s just the AI bullshit and stupid ass tariffs ruining everything. That’s what needs to change.
atrielienz@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They lost their minds because Nintendo said:
Last week, Nintendo president Shuntaro Furukawa told shareholders that the house of Mario had no current plans to raise the price of its $449.99 Switch 2.
Then they raised the price of the original switch and a bunch of the accessories.
Then the tariffs in the US were deemed to be illegal and they sued to get their --money-- profit back and didn’t want to repay the price increase they passed along to their customers.
There’s also the fact that Nintendo was on a lot of people’s shit lists for their litigiousness and other anti-consumer crap they had done so people were already mad at them before they raised prices.
When you look at it that way, Sony (who were also on people’s shit lists for a laundry list of reasons) are no better in many’s eyes.
Also, this completely ignores how small a company Valve is in comparison to Nintendo and Sony. I think that’s the main problem actually. Valve isn’t a hardware power house and they can’t command the kind of sales contracts or parts/fab that Nintendo or Sony can. So they are less likely to be able to withstand raising prices on their hardware as a result. The fact that they have raised prices so late in comparison to their counterparts in the space is interesting even if you don’t find it laudable.
At the end of the day, the backlash that Sony and Nintendo faced wasn’t because of the price increase so much as it was because of all the other stuff.
Requiring proprietary hardware for $80+ games that almost never go on sale or have online subscription services that also keep going, and then anti-consumer practices like (in Sony’s case) the whole have to have an account to play their games on PC and not wanting to issue refunds where a PS account wasn’t available but people bought the game and oh well we just won’t port our games to PC at all then, and so on.
Like. There’s way more to it than Valve good, Sony/Nintendo bad
DillDough@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Valve doesn’t have 50+ years of hardware experience though. Sony, Nintendo, and Msoft can all swing their big dicks all over that industry and get whatever the fuck they want, Valve cannot.
Valve can and does strongarm the software side all the time, the gaming industry would have died instead of exponentially surpassing the film industry if it weren’t for Valve setting strong precedents.
And finally how in the fuck are you blaming AI at the same time that you are trying to defend Sony? The company that’s adding AI to PLAY THE FUCKING GAME FOR YOU?
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I hope people here give Valve the same flack they gave Nintendo and Sony for raising prices.
Narrator: they did not.
garretble@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
“We can’t get mad at Gabe and Valve! PC Master Race loves not being able to buy physical games and loves buying a license to them from Valve!”
Waiting for the “bu-bu-bu-Game Cards!” response to this. I can still sell a game card.
mursejoy@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
True! I own both and I remember people losing their minds over the switch 1 price increase.
lordnikon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oof I mean I’m glad they are back in stock again but that stings. I do see valve being the only company that would lower them as soon as they are able though. Public shareholders wouldn’t let them if they were public.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Nah, that’s not true. All of these companies would absolutely love to charge less for the console up front so that they can get recurring payments out of you elsewhere. It was a regular occurrence for decades that console prices would drop dramatically over time.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Less of an issue with Valve. They don’t have as much of a need for a hardware loss leader since they earn from Steam regardless of which hardware it’s running on.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
All this for stupid fucking anime profile pics
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This timeline sucks.
TheGoldenV@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Holy hell what a jump! Yeesh, I’m glad I got one in January, but there’s no way I’d be paying 1k for it.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I guess I’m not buying the steam machine. I guess buying technology is an investment now.
absquatulate@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Holy fuck. How is it even competitive at this price?
SparroHawc@piefed.world 2 weeks ago
The RAM and SSD have gotten that much more expensive to source. Anyone who sells a product with similar components either raises their price, or takes a loss.
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
It’s weird that I’m actively rooting for China to do it’s thing and begin to rapidly pump out cheap memory modules in such high volumes that they are able to over-satiate demand and put a downward pressure on pricing.
Before anyone tries to accuse me of copium or some other affliction, I would like to remind you that this is EXACTLY China’s modus operandi for the past 20-something years.
Both Samsung & SK Hynix were just in the news for issuing their DRAM division staff annual bonuses of well over $300K USD from a 10-15% pool of operating profits. The margins are there for China to squeeze once their manufacturing capability catches up - and it’s catching up very quickly.
imetators@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
A year ago I got 2x SATA cheapo SSDs - 1TB at $56 and 2TB at $106. Today the same listings are over double that price.
Even HDDs are expensiver now. 2.5" 1TB is $60. In January I got 12TB WD HDD for $220. Today it is $460.
FUCK AI!
Darnton@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
Competitive with what, buying your own computer? Because that stuff is expensive too.
absquatulate@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
With the switch. Or the asus rog handheld, which as of now is only what, 50€ more? ( wonder how much that one will last tho )
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
It isn’t.
ParlimentOfDoom@piefed.zip 2 weeks ago
All it’s competitors also increased.
llii@discuss.tchncs.de 2 weeks ago
I will never buy a new system again.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It’ll be a few years of pain, but once the bubble pops, we can start to return to normalcy. Take good care of the hardware you have in the meantime.
PerogiBoi@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
I don’t want to crush people’s optimism (I’m also envious of your viewpoint), but what makes you think any of this will pop and return to normalcy?
Z3k3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I wish I could muster the ability to give a fuck at this point. Between trumps bolocks and the us ai industry fucking everyone over.
Im kinda of you brought this on yourselves at this point
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sure, but if the price is going up here, it’s the latest symptom of prices going up everywhere for this hobby.
Z3k3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeh and that’s why im fucking pissed. The rest of the world is getting shit because of American internal bolocks
thingsiplay@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
919,00€ for OLED 1TB model in Germany.
I have no hopes for Steam Machine price now…
chunes@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
eli5 why can’t someone make their own hardware, sell only to humans, and become instantly beloved and rich
Canconda@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Because producing chips requires a complicated supply chain.
- Taiwan. China wants to own it for the same reason they can’t just bomb it to smithereens. Producing chips requires human hardware engineers, possibly thousands depending on the complexity. Each engineer specializes in specific tasks and processes.
The human talent element is the most fragile and least replicable piece of the supply chain.
- Taiwan is close enough to China to take advantage of cheap factory labour for anything that doesn’t require engineering skills.
The geography of Taiwan & China is the backbone of the supply chain.
- Extreme Ultraviolet (EUV) lithography systems. ASML from the Netherlands owns the proprietary design for the massive and complex machines that print microchip transistors onto silicon. US/Netherlands have restricted the sale of the most advanced systems to China.
The machines that allow for microchip production are all owned by one company
- In retaliation to the above China has restricted Rare Earth Metal exports to western manufacturers.
** Video Game components are now military assets**
Atropos@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They totally could, but it would take years and a looooot of money to be entirely vertically integrated. I bet at least some groups are considering getting into chip making, but it will be a long time before we see any new players.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They are, but they’re not beloved for it. The companies still selling to consumers now have less competition for fewer available parts, which is why prices are higher.
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I guess I’m never upgrading my Steam Deck to oled
OneCardboardBox@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
There’s always decksight: www.crowdsupply.com/shade-technik/decksight
CaptainBasculin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Holy shit, 1080p resolution AND lower power draw is crazy. I’m definetly doing this if I damage my lcd
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
That is just straight up not even remotely worth it.
AlphaSpellswordZ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Raising prices that much with no hardware upgrade? I guess I won’t be buying a Steam Deck anymore. May as well get a ROG Ally or Logitech Cloud for that price.
ampersandrew@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Depends on when precisely you’re in the market for a handheld, because if Valve is raising their prices, everyone will be eventually.
AlphaSpellswordZ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah but still a Steam Deck isn’t worth over $700 when there are handhelds with better specs around that price already
meowcar420@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
how does a logitech g cloud even compare to a steam deck?
AlphaSpellswordZ@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I am making a point
ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They raised it an extra $100 in Australia over the US price.
Should of been increased to ~AU$1320, is actually AU$1429. (AU$1049 last week)
Thanks Gabe :')
thlibos@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
LOL. I mean imagine paying such inflated prices for such little storage capacity before the our vile AI overlords decided that silicon was for AI not humans? There is no way I will ever buy anything going forward other than an entry level smart phone and a single Linux PC until China stabilized silicon chip pricing. There is no way I am buying anything more before we see how things play out over the next couple of years. Leased computing with thin client device that connects and uses an ISPs servers for computing power? Nope, go fuck yourself.
PlzGibHugs@piefed.ca 2 weeks ago
Unfortunately, given the current economy, its not suprising. With how much prices have risen, the old pricing competed with and often beat out even used desktops.
ISolox@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Oof I can’t recommend a new one to anyone at that price. Fortunately there’s still a lot of used ones around where I live, but that’s a big old yikes.
d_o_o_m_g_u_y@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Of course it did.
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Hot take, this is honestly a steal. That’s like 10 nice meals in this economy, and 20 reasonable ones. It’s absurd to throw a fit about the price of a Steam Deck when the rest of the economy is so bad. I love my deck, I use it daily, honestly I use it more than my $2000 desktop. It’s an amazing piece of hardware that makes me rethink what a gaming device can be. I can play my favorite game one moment, than log in to my raspberry pi a few minutes later via a real desktop. The Switch isn’t even close to that kind of agility, and will NEVER get close. The Steam Deck is a stroke of genius in a world of mediocre slop, and 1k is a totally realistic price.
nuko147@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Sold out in USA in days? Hours? Dunno.
Muffi@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
You called it. Still sold out in less than 24 hours.
nialv7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
SM is going to cost like 1000+ isn’t it…
lemmyng@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
At this point, try closer to $1200-$1500, and that’s for the BASE model.
nialv7@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
We so cooked
FatVegan@leminal.space 2 weeks ago
Pretty sure it always was. Tge steam machine was already fucked by the time aome random guy wrote an article that just randomly assumed it’s gonna cost 500 dollars for no reason at all
damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Who was that dickwad?
Bluegrass_Addict@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
SM?
Pyro@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
Steam Machine
samus12345@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Sadomasochism.
damnthefilibuster@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
BD
ms_lane@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
It might be better to just go back to the drawing board on that one if even possible-
Scrap the board as is, go for Strix Halo but give it a big fat 150w PPT, give it 4x DDR5 slots instead of soldered LPDDR5X.
Don’t sell it with RAM or an SSD.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
That’s not going to decrease the cost, as Strix Halo is expensive. See: the Framework desktop.
And it needs LPDDR5X, though they could use SOCAMM modules. Framework tried, but I think they ran out of R&D time to work out the electrical gremlins.
warmaster@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Holy fuck. It’s happening.