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  • ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    There’s a lot of international folks here getting downvoted because

    AMERICAN CHIROPRACTORS ARE QUACKS.

    Can we please step out of our American bubble for a fucking second to realise there is whole world out there of real healthcare.

    In the vast majority of the world Chiropractors are exactly the same as Osteopaths and Physios, they have to go to the same schools, lectures, have the same training. They are purely musculoskeletal. Why they are insane in America is anyone’s guess. But this is a problem with America, not Chiropractors.

    That said, this is fucking hilarious and I have sent it to a friend to take the piss.

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    • ywain@lemmy.zip ⁨25⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      Massive amount of misinformation, every country has a protected name and registration for real medical jobs. Chiropractic stuff is a US pseudoscience and a negative impact on patients the same as homeopathy.

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    • chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Since Chiropractic medicine was invented in America by a spiritualist quack, I would say trying to use the same name for valid medical practices in another country is the mistake of whoever decided that was ok to do. It’s like saying yes, wizardry is bullshit in America, but in many other countries it’s a valid form of pharmacology. Just call it the valid term that has regulations.

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    • Fedizen@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Chiropractics literally started as an alternative to germ theory. The quackery was baked in from the start. They may couch their quackery in medical jargon now in some places but I’ve yet to see stats where people who went to chiropractors did better than people that went to massages or physical therapy.

      Example from Australia last year:

      news.com.au/…/96b8084d70755d577a44091c976066e7

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      • ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world ⁨44⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

        Cases like this should obviously be taken seriously, as it was here. But it doesn’t invalidate the whole field any more than it does for medicine, physiotherapy etc.

        In this case, the woman went against medical advice, and did not tell the chiropractor about her injury or give him her notes. This is why it was recommended to be standard practice to request them. This chiropractor was also clearly an idiot.

        These types of cases happen all the time with all medical professionals, it would be disingenuous to suggest otherwise. In fact, here, it also happened with the paramedics.

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    • Dyskolos@lemmy.zip ⁨2⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      AFAIK it’s the same in Germany too. Unregulated. I could just go and call myself a chiropractor, trying my best to fuck you up.

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    • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Yup. And I should say you can find good ones in the U.S., you just never know.

      Mine was from New Zealand and worked with one of their Olympic teams. She never cracked my neck but gently massaged and manipulated it to release a whiplash injury after a car accident.

      For every one of her, there are 20 quacks who claim they can cure cancer with foot baths.

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      • WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Doctor Glaucomen or whatever is his name has a lot of interesting content on bonebros.

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  • Aeri@lemmy.world ⁨9⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Regularly scheduled warning but chiropractor is not a real doctor and can paralyze you for life.

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    • The_Almighty_Walrus@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Also the guy who invented it learned the practice from a ghost during a seance

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      • thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        you’re fucking with me, right?

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    • TransNeko@lemmy.world ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      regularly scheduled reminder that real Chiropractors are highly trained and not paid extra money to prescribe you a medication that has a warning label that includes the very minor side effects of… may cause: dizziness, nausea, rashes, cancer, and a mild case of death.

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      • DragonAce@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Chiropractors are not doctors in any shape or form. There is no scientific data to backup the idea that popping random joints somehow cures illnesses. They’re nothing more than snake oil salesmen who have no clue WTF they’re actually doing.

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      • expr@piefed.social ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Who are these mythical “real chiropractors” that you speak of?

        It’s pseudoscience, and always has been.

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      • shane@feddit.nl ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        A highly trained phrenologist still cannot diagnose personality problems by feeling bumps on your head.

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      • SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Bullshit. Chiropractors cannot prevent or cure any disease or condition. They can help you manage lower back pain. That’s it.

        Thanks to immunotherapy, I am now four and a half years cancer free. See if a chiropractor can do that.

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      • Tetragrade@leminal.space ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Ok your comment may have been dumb, but for $50 I’ll remove all the evil ghosts from your keyboard, and maybe you won’t get downvoted next time. Deal?

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    • Comrade_Spood@quokk.au ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      You can also go to a Doctor of Osteopathic Medicine (DO) who is an actual doctor and will crack your back in scientifically backed ways.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    i was in the hospital and just had had a few major organs removed. a chiro i had never met but who went to the same cult as my parents walked into my hospital room unannounced and started lecturing me about how i would have been able to keep my organs if i’d let him give me a spinal adjustment.

    my friends, a chiropracter was saved by an orderly that day.

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    • D_C@sh.itjust.works ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Flip side:
      Woke up in agony. I couldn’t walk without aid. Why to GP, “it’s sciatica. It’ll be ok in a few weeks. Two months at most”
      6 months later and I can’t walk still.
      Hospitals did the scans, X-rays, MRI, etc etc, but found nothing wrong. They did acupuncture, physio, hydrotherapy etc.
      All slightly helped. However two years later I still couldn’t walk without help and then just kept on offering me pain killers.
      Nope!!

      My mate, “Hey, try my new chiro guy. He did wonders for me”
      Me, “Lol, quacks.”
      My mate, “What have you got to lose?”
      Me, “Money…”
      …
      Mate, “Hey, told my chiro guy about you. He said pop in. The first month is free. If no improvement after then you go separate ways. What have you got to lose?”

      Long story short.
      On that first appointment he said he thought it was piriformis syndrome. Not back problems.
      Within a month I was sitting almost pain free for the first time in two years. Within 3 months I was walking unaided for the first time in years. In 6 months I was running again.
      Within a year I was 95% of what I was before the back issues. I’ll never be 100% because it wasn’t diagnosed in time and everything had ‘healed’ incorrectly.

      Now, with that said, the guy was more than a chiro. He did sports body mechanics, and other things that I can’t remember now. He worked with the local lower league football squad for about ten years. And whilst they were no Manchester United they wouldn’t just let any quack work on their team.
      Plus in the UK chiro’s have to be registered and follow guidelines. If they do anything illegal they are fucked.


      Flip side to my flip side:
      The mother in law went to a chiro who said he could cure her spine curvature disorder. Anyways I find out when she’s complaining of (extra) back pain, so I tell her to stop going as the guy is obviously a dodgy bastard. Within the year the guy was arrested for his illegal shenanigans.

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      • zikzak025@lemmy.world ⁨8⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        It sounds more like you didn’t see what the US would consider a “chiropractor”, but rather an orthopedics/sports medicine specialist. Maybe he was just advertising as a chiropractor to attract clients or maybe your buddy was confused about his credentialing?

        Chiropractors don’t need to be licensed or registered with anything in the US. It’s all pseudoscience mumbo-jumbo.

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      • W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        He did sports body mechanics, and other things that I can’t remember now.

        Ok, so he had more training than most US chiropractors.

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨11⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        let me tell you the first illegal thing the chiro did the day i saw him

        walk into a hospital he was unaffiliated with.

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      • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Chiropractors in the US don’t have medical degrees

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  • ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca ⁨16⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I mean, the chiropractor is technically correct. You’ll say goodbye to a lot of things, including IBS.

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    • Kolanaki@pawb.social ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Cured of all ailments, including the terminal illness known as “life.”

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    • Gullible@sh.itjust.works ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      So, ibs has an unknown cause, right? Does it persist indefinitely in donated organs or does it eventually subside? I might have it, albeit undiagnosed, so I got curious as I’m an organ donor

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      • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        IBS is doctor speak for “we don’t know what’s wrong and we give up, but we recognize you have symptoms”

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      • unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz ⁨14⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        You can get feces transplanted to treat a c. diff infection. Like, you swallow a pill made from human shit and it can help you. So if you need the whole ass organ transplanted, you need that.

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  • mojofrododojo@lemmy.world ⁨15⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    visited a friend’s family reunion and met his chiropractor uncle. dude said he could cure diabetes and cancer.

    he could barely pronounce diabetes. I will never ever understand chiropractor quackshit.

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    • thermal_shock@lemmy.world ⁨12⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      In most cases, it seems like temporary relief. Like when your bigger, older brother picks you up and cracks your back. Feels great in the moment, but not a long-term fix.

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    • whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      In my experience it was for old insecure guys who were uncomfortable going to a massage or doing any structured stretching regularly so they’d get an adjustment from a quack a few times a year instead.

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    • stickyprimer@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      I understand chiro quack shit the same way I understand crystals and essential oils quack shit. It’s all just quack shit.

      What I don’t understand is why insurance actually pays for chiro, at least sometimes.

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  • BanaramaClamcrotch@lemmy.zip ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Maaan, I just don’t trust doctors. Not in a “you’re injecting microchips into my bloodstream so bill gates can control my mind” type of way. Rather a “you are another facet of the capitalist society a getting caught in the healthcare system is like getting caught in the justice system. Once you’re in, you’re in” type of way.

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    • andros_rex@lemmy.world ⁨35⁩ ⁨minutes⁩ ago

      I really wanted to become a doctor when I was in college, so I went to pre med meetings.

      You are not going to be a doctor if you have to work in college. No, you need to have time to “volunteer” at the right places and scribe. Don’t take challenging classes, because your GPA needs to be perfect.

      The US artificially suppresses the number of doctors who can enter the work force every year - doctors have lobbied to keep the number of residencies and thus admissions to medical school low. And these rich fuckers are going to go into dermatology or other high paying fields, while family doctors in rural America are non existent.

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    • ickplant@lemmy.world ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Can’t blame you. There are good doctors out there who hate the capitalist system and the insurance companies, but they still have to work within that system.

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  • Fizz@lemmy.nz ⁨10⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I had a bit of back gain and I went to a chrio once and this tiny Asian women beat the living shit out me. I swear she elbow dropped onto my spine. It made my back so sore I was unable to move for 3 days. I called to tell them it had gotten significantly worse and they replied that means its working come back for another session. I never returned and it healed up perfectly fine.

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  • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    I have known a few chiropractors. Two were decent naturopaths who were also nutritionists, physical therapists, and masseuses. Whole body and nervous system health. Never cracked or popped a joint.

    The third charges $35 bucks, no insurance needed, and just pops your middle back and gropes you. Absolute worst and he bought the business from one of the first.

    Good chiros are about nervous systems. Bad chiros, the vast majority, are witch doctors selling bunk cures.

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    • Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      nutritionists

      Just a heads up, but anyone can call themselves a nutritionist. It is not a protected term. You don’t have to pass any exams. The only thing you need is to be interested in the subject.

      en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nutritionist

      The actual professional term is dietitian.

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      • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨5⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah I was using common nomenclature. I don’t recall if they were licensed dietitians or not.

        The one sold supplements and vitamin tinctures his wife made, so they weren’t far off from the unlicensed category. But they were both also licensed/certified physical therapists and masseuses. He had done some kind of sports medicine if I recall correctly before starting his business.

        The other guy was really into the whole gambit of chinese herbology and such, but he kept himself grounded with physical therapy regimens and promoting tai chi every other sentence.

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    • themaninblack@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      Good chiros aren’t chiros.

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      • Comrade_Spood@quokk.au ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah, they are DOs

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      • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        I mean, that’s kind of the implication.

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    • ayyy@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

      The inventor of chiropracty said that a ghost taught it to him during a seance. Yes, really, I’m not making that up.

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      • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works ⁨4⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

        Yeah I think he also said he fixed a deaf janitors hearing by popping a neck vertebrae into alignment, if I remember the lore. This was ‘drink heroin for medicine’ era too.

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  • themaninblack@lemmy.world ⁨6⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    www.reddit.com/r/…/chiropractors_be_like/

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  • Digit@lemmy.wtf ⁨7⁩ ⁨hours⁩ ago

    Beware the iatrogenic death dealers, and the cowboy-chiropractors both.

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