Fake: cops obeying the law and following due process? Really?
Gay: Anon clearly took “be gay, do crimes” seriously… too bad he didn’t take his opsec as seriously…
The cops pay Anon a visit
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AnarchoEngineer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
ChilledPeppers@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Real: anon has cp on his drive Hetero: he didn’t bend over to the copa
x00z@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They already showed their cards so they’ll not come back with a warrant. This is more about intimidation than anything else.
I’ve had the same thing happen to me. “Can we search your house? It will only help you if you have nothing to hide”. Fuck off cunts. They didn’t try again.
lka1988@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
“Can we search your house? It will only help you if you have nothing to hide”.
Help me how, to get arrested faster? lmao
“If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear” remains at the top of my list of bullshit lines of “reasoning” I’ve ever heard in my entire life.
x00z@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I removed the “only” from my text because it was a bit ambiguous.
But yes it was exactly that. It’s like they consider themselves to be the law. “You’re either with me or against me”. Typical BS.
It’s mostly cops that think they have something to prove and try to do stuff by themselves.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Pretty much.
If OP had something incriminating, they would already have the paperwork they need to grab it.
Police knocking on your door is hoping you would give them information to arrest you. Proper swat team breaking down your door means they already had it.
ICE doesn’t count. They’re not cops.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, you can tell a cop is fishing because they’re talking to you. If they thought they could get what they want without talking to you they’d just be arresting you or doing violence to you
KingGimpicus@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Adding onto this one:
I suspect they are searching your trash. They roll up to your house, tell you there’s a bunch of “suspicious” shit tied to your address, IP, a cell ping in the area, whatever. The point is to scare the shit out of you in the hopes that you trash any “incriminating” property.
Then they search your trash (which does not require a warrant, let alone motice), find your shit, and then come back to arrest you.
The point here is fuck them. They didn’t bother to create a warrant, so they dont get to complain when you decide to upgrade your PC, slag the old drives, then keep them on your coffee table as conversation starters. If they had a warrant, that would be different. They dont.
Don’t let them scare you stupid. Continue on as normal. Maybe invest in a different ISP because some like to snitch.
mech@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
If the cops actually had anything real, they could get the warrant with a phone call while stalling you at the door, or even storm your place and get it retroactively.
And even if they don’t get it, no cop can get in trouble for the raid if they “believe” you might destroy evidence.
It completely invalidates your 4th amendment rights but congress felt this was needed to protect you against “terrorists” 25 years ago.hector@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Plus if police “believe” they are following the law, they are allowed to use the fruit from the poison tree, for decades now, ever since The Fear of the Others in the crime wave in the 80’s and 90’s gave them license to cancel the Bill of Rights.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Personally, I think it should work like this: any evidence found is admissible in court, but if the cops broke the law to get it, there are legal consequences for them.
The current system is abusable if you have connections with police willing to break some laws to make smoking guns inadmissible to court, and even if it’s an honest mistake, the whole “if they looked when they weren’t allowed to, you get away with whatever they saw” is just a second bad consequence to the public, assuming the crime was one of the harmful to the public ones.
xodasu@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Short answer, do NOT destroy the computer or flee. That is textbook obstruction and will turn a sketchy visit into a criminal case overnight. You were right to refuse a search without a warrant, keep doing that, but destroying evidence or running wiping tools is a dumb panic move.
Get a lawyer immediately, even a public defender if money is tight. Record everything from the visit now, names, badge numbers, what they said, time stamps, take photos of any paperwork or footprints. Do not log into accounts, do not run cleanup software, and if possible disconnect the machine from the internet and power it down until your lawyer tells you what to do. Turning it off is different from erasing stuff.
If the cops come back with a warrant, comply on your lawyer’s advice. If you’re honestly worried the allegation involves really serious crimes, get counsel fast, because those carry mandatory procedures and you need someone who knows how to handle evidence and interviews. And for the future, yes encrypt your drives and keep recovery keys offline, but that’s after you sort this with legal help.
hector@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
It is very arguable it would be a crime to wipe a computer with only the police asking to warrantless search it. It’s a crime to destroy any evidence of a crime so I guess there is that.
They have no evidence there was a crime though. I don’t doubt they would charge it, but a jury wouldn’t likely convict because it’s a bullshit charge. You are under no obligation to incriminate yourself with your own evidence no matter what the police and prosecutors say.
feannag@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
IANAL, but I think it’s only a crime if it’s destroyed after a warrant has been issued.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’m very glad you’re not a lawyer.
shouselaw.com/…/destruction-of-evidence-charge/
This says you just need to know what you were destroying was evidence, which Anon clearly does.
hector@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Or if a court has ordered you to preserve the information. And the establishment routinely flouts court orders to preserve information with impunity
ICastFist@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
congrats for torrenting the latest disney movie off their honeypot
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Their fault for torrenting without a VPN
REDACTED@infosec.pub 2 weeks ago
Thanks for seeding Disney
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
On one hand, I loathe pedophiles and the awful black market they use to trade whatever
On other hand, I wonder how often the “law” just uses this to get rid of people who displease them, they just install the appropriate stash with a thumb drive while “scanning”.
Decades in prison, asset forfeiture, who would stop them or even be able to prove it? The modern equivalent of planting drugs (which they are caught doing frequently), and nobody wants to defend pedophiles.
ricecake@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Yeah, but why bother? They can just turn off the body camera and shoot them in self defense. Same outcome and way less work.
piecat@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Making a martyr vs discrediting everything someone has ever done, and turning their family/friends/everyone against them and their ideology.
Hmm…
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
They do that already (gun them down), but they can’t kill too many people! It’s like they have a murder quota.
So, for the rest they plant evidence on, drugs and this.
Also, many of them are sadists and prefer the torture route (like 40 years in prison).
Apytele@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
This was literally the plot of Blake’s seven except they also installed the memories into his brain and that of the children.
irelephant@anarchist.nexus 2 weeks ago
Irl they’d just refuse to leave, and maybe shoot your dog.
Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Irl they’ve already bugged your home and the train arrives 0800 tomorrow morning, you will never be seen again.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Anon shouldn’t have fucked with the CSAM
hector@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Pretty convenient world for the cops you are constructing where everyone they try to warrantless search has kiddie porn.
They aren’t above [redacted,] on people either. One should never assume the police are acting in good faith in today’s world. Or yesterday’s. But especially not now.
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
These days it’s more likely a Facebook post that hurt their gifts fee-fees or a torrent of a shitty TV show
lka1988@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Step 1: Back up important files
Step 2: boot from live Linux USB
Step 3:dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/nvmeX && dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/nvmeXRepeatOmgpwnies@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Use a live Linux ISO that can run entirely in memory, and run step 3 in an infinite loop. Take the USB with you and leave the PC running.
hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
If you have nvme use secure erase first.
Chiqa@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
This, but encrypt the backed up data with full disk encryption.
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
What did anon even do to be on the radar, this is just not credible. They would never show up for a chat if that was the case, they would collect evidence quietly.
LordFireCrotch@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
4chan green text? Not credible?
No way!
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Green and gay of whatever
hector@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
So if there is anything on your computer, deleting it just destroys the file directory to it, they can find it still, you have to delete everything, then rewrite over it with new information.
Slashme@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
apex32@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hah. TIL you can use shred on device files. I was only familiar with using dd to wipe drives.
BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 2 weeks ago
Drills, big magnets, hammers etc… work too
Sv443@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Big magnets will only pull the arm off the plates and leave the data intact. Also why waste good hardware when all it needs is a couple of writes with all zeroes and ones?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Mircrowave.
Just take out anything LiON prior to nuking.
And also plan on getting a new microwave.
starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Feels like it’s easier to just not have anything on your hard drive that’s worth that much effort. I can only think of one type of file that would justify that level of obfuscation in most of the world, and I actually fully support owners of those files turning their PCs over to the police unmolested, so to speak
Agent641@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I recycle ewaste, and so I have boxes and boxes of old hard drives. My proc is single pass dban and then a 10mm hole drilled through the case and onto the platters.
This is for normal business eol hardware that I get from offices and warehouses, nothing sketchy.
If the client wants evidence of destruction before leaving premises, I skip DBAN and just drill the platters with a cordless drill.
Chiqa@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
Anon is not alone in this…
Hello_there@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
- Hammer.
- "my computer just broke. Had to get a new one"
moonshadow@slrpnk.net 2 weeks ago
If there’s not a thermite microcharge hovering above your crime drive are you even really posting? Ctrl-Super-M (for melt) and that sucker’s a puddle
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Would it be possible to wipe some files off the PC without leaving any traces?
MojoMcJojo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah, but there will be a trace that something was wiped if you use certain tools and didn’t then fill that empty scrambled space with a bunch of games or something.
RamenJunkie@midwest.social 2 weeks ago
“Why do you you have 47 installs of Roller Coaster Tychoon anon?”
“I was multiboxing.”
Bosht@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I don’t believe any local law enforcement, at least where I’m at, has a cyber crimes team capable of knowing this and pursuing it even if they did. Federal level? Sure. But if they’re coming they already have warrants and you’re fucked. Local doesn’t invest money in stuff like that.
IAmNorRealTakeYourMeds@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
burn the ssd/hard drives
lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org 2 weeks ago
Anon needs a bugout bag plan, which also would have him wipe his computer when he leaves. He needs to have some drills tho.
But like other people said in the comments, it is not the smartest legal move.
Flax_vert@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
Anon was probably downloading csam
hector@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
I don’t think that’s a logical assumption at all. But something to keep in mind. Especially now, with the administration going after journalists, leakers, and soon if not already critics, people that make fun of them, that criticize Israel, etc.
They would like us to assume everyone whose computer they are seizing is looking at child porn. They could also frame people for that.
lka1988@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
If that was the case, a warrant would have already been obtained.
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
chemical castration is the correct way to solve ops problem
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Sounds like time to wipe PC and install a clean OS
hector@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
Yes, wipe it all, write over it all, then wipe the entire operating system and install linux, as something you had been planning on doing for a long time anyway. If they say otherwise in court you rant to the jury about microsoft.
kcseb@pawb.social 2 weeks ago
And here’s where we introduce you to this magical term called full disk encryption!
EmpatheticTeddyBear@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
And if you use BitLocker, do NOT backup your recovery key to the cloud!
gizmodo.com/microsoft-reportedly-turned-over-bitl…
Print out out, give it to a friend, don’t mention it via electronic means (email, text, Snapchat, YouTube, and so on…)
msage@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
And if you use BitLocker, don’t!
turdas@suppo.fi 2 weeks ago
Even better is to memorize it.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Don’t print it. Your previous prints are easily retrievable
JPAKx4@piefed.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I think I’ve heard if you have a Microsoft account it automatically gets backed up
LodeMike@lemmy.today 2 weeks ago
This person should also turn off their computer and remove the RAM so it’s zeroed out if it gets siezed.
trxxruraxvr@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Full disk encryption doesn’t help much if the pc is running anyway since the key will be in memory
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
This is where I think NFC may finally be useful. If cops show up, I slide my phone by a hidden NFC tag, and an http request is sent to my desktop machine. Everything incriminating is wiped and the computer is turned off, before the cops can walk to the room.
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
If it can be proven you did that, that’s gonna look real bad in court.
Alpha71@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yeah… About that.
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Yeah, refusing a warrant is definitely a separate crime from whatever they’re looking for on the computer. If something like this happens, the only way to protect yourself from a warrant is to fully delete everything on your computer. They can’t arrest you for not handing over something that doesn’t exist. The cops know this though, which is why they probably wouldn’t give you that kind of warning without having a warrant ready to go, which is because this story is fake.