Having a Linux phone that chroot compartments for Android apps is the dream.
Me when Valve releases a phone
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barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Lfrith@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Steam Xperia Linux phone would be a dream. I think if a Steam phone did well then other companies like Asus would jump into Linux phone.
Then suddenly we get mainstream alternatives to Android.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
You mean the one with PlayStation integration? Fuck yeah.
jcr@jlai.lu 2 weeks ago
I was just checking that yesterday, and there was the opportunity to have something equivalent to a “steam phone” with https://liberux.net/#specs , but the indiegogo failed.
One that is actually sold is the Furiphone , which is under finalization of software update., and has chroot for Android apps with Waydroid. check the links ! 😊
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
The GNU organization just announced a Linux phone a couple weeks ago
hayvan@feddit.nl 2 weeks ago
Not exactly that but Jolla might be interesting for you. I had the first edition of the device in 2014 and I loved it.
Thry finally released a second gen hardware last year I think.
barnaclebutt@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
BlackBerry had a separate walled/secured android instance a long time ago. I wish that more people bought the phone. Jolla is interesting, but I really want the banking apps to work.
olafurp@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Fuck it, just make them work like Flatpaks or snaps and run a minimal android session on top of virtual hardware and install like normal.
daggermoon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Unless it runs Linux, what’s the fucking point?
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Steam Deck: Already runs Linux.
GabeCube: Confirmed it will run Linux.
Steam Frame: Confirmed it will run Linux.
Obviously Valve has made no overtures whatsoever towards making a phone. But if they did, what on Earth would lead you to believe that it wouldn’t run Linux?
Amir@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
There being zero ecosystem for Linux phones, unlike the desktop.
You’d need an Android runtime layer.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
You know what, value releasing a Linux phone is actually plausible. Like, they could totally do it. Lots of people would like it, they could whether a new market with an idea they would be willing to play to that the establishment absolutely refuses to…
Dude, you joke but this is a plausible path the Linux phones going mainstream.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Openness. So far, Valve hardware offering is not trying to coerce you into a closed ecosystem, is not trying to forbid you from doing whatever the fuck you want with your device, and is not trying to force you to do things their way. They come with Steam, but you can basically do anything with them. Including removing Steam if you desire. And you can peek under the hood all you want.
The current mobile phone market is either walled garden jail from Apple, where you have to follow their value to the T, broken iphone where you have to jump through hoops to get something that may or may not survive the next update at the whim of our corporate overlords, or Android, which I like the most, where Google can pull a fast one on you installing an app by hand if they so desire (yes, I know they sort of walked back… for now).
Today, I see the phone I own as a necessary liability because of banking apps and such. I’d like a phone that would feel more like a device I own and can somewhat trust.
Is Valve the best player for that? No idea. But no current player is. At best we got some software offering built to support a very limited subset of hardware, and that software offering is still tied to the upstream (usually AOSP) playing nice.
qualia@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Was gonna comment you misspelled SOAP 🧼, but just in case I did a quick joojle and it actually turns out it’s “Android Open Source Project” (for any other newbs like me reading this).
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think linux is the point. Because Valve has put SteamOS on their VR headset (which uses the same processor I have in my phone) it would be expected for them to do the same to a phone. Having a phone with an optimized emulator, a normal linux for arm desktop mode, and Steam built in would be very nice IMO, there are a lot of PC games that play fairly well with on-screen controls or even one of those controller phone cases that you can buy, and it’s very hard to find good mobile games in comparison. I have the app Winulator on my phone, which sort of does that same thing, except not insanely reliably, and with meh UX, and it can’t really run Steam (last I checked, I couldn’t get it to work, it might be easier now idk), and you can’t run linux x86 or ARM apps or windows ARM apps through it like I think people will be able to on the Steam frame.
hperrin@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
Call it the Steam Iron.
callouscomic@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
I think it’d be Steam Sight, or Steam Sight Glass.
It fits the theme and is essentially a window to peer into steam pipes to assess how things are going. An easy view inside the system.
Also called View Port, Sight Window, and I think Sight Flow?
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Steamy Chocolate Bar.
frank@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
I hope for Steamie Boi
psoul@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Steam Panel? Steam Pocket?
eta@feddit.org 2 weeks ago
s08nlql9@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
not a pro memer yet
the_swagmaster@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Make it easily repairable like the Fairphone and then I’ll be interested
bjoern_tantau@swg-empire.de 2 weeks ago
So far their track record is pretty good in that regard.
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 2 weeks ago
Won’t steam machine have a lot of soldered components? But yea they’ll probably sell spare parts so at least that’s a good point
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
Isn’t Steam Frame run in SteamOS made for ARM chip?
While there likely won’t be a steam phone, it technically exists as of now.
AndyMFK@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
Not sure I follow… A steam frame isn’t a phone. It can’t make or receive phone calls
psx_crab@lemmy.zip 2 weeks ago
What the other comment said. Since Valve is already half way there with their Steam Frame version of SteamOS(which run on ARM architecture, where phone and tablet also use) and Linux phone iirc do exists, it’s only a matter on how much futher Valve wanna go. So as of now they “technically” already have half a steam phone.
Osan@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I think what they meant is that the technology exists since steam frame is an ARM based device it’s just a matter of running it on different hardware and adding firmware support for things like phone calls and touch screens.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
It only lacks a modem tho.
It’s a few gens back top of the line snapping turtle (Snapdragon), 16 giggies of ram, a battery, two LCDs, a bunch of cameras, and it runs Linux (SteamOS of unknown openness).
nul9o9@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 weeks ago
I want a cyberdeck with cellular connectivity with talk/text.
FartsWithAnAccent@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
Yes please.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Gaming on a phone is an abomination. There are many fun time wasters but I want a phone that does less, not more. Internet, Camera, GPS, done.
muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Valve: “there are things phones are good at. There are things phones are bad at. And there theres the failed attempts to blur the lines. We here at valve have watched others spin their wheels stuck in the mud with their brilliant efforts to make terrible ideas work. We have a different idea….
What about a phone that just does phone things and when it needs heavier lifting, it doesn’t rape your battery or wallet to get it done? Instead, it seamlessly reaches out to your already powerful gaming rig at home? You install an app on our phone, and that tells your pc at home to install the same app automatically. Now when you tap that icon on the Home Screen, your phone taps into the massive power and connivence of an already working rig at home and streams it to your device!
We are compatible with backbone, Xbox and PlayStation, and of course steam machine controllers.
We here at valve don’t see the merit of spending tons of money marketing a compromise. Sell it once. Do it right. If we do the damn job right, you’ll come back for more. No abusive lock ins.
We call it the steam whistle. Small, portable, cheap, but everyone will notice it.”
Tell me Valve can’t market that.
WALLACE@feddit.uk 2 weeks ago
The market for a setup like that would be pretty small. The average person just has a craptop that isn’t switched on most of the time. Many don’t even bother with that.
Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Now when you tap that icon on the Home Screen, your phone taps into the massive power and connivence of an already working rig at home and streams it to your device!
??? Steam link came out in 2018 and is still available.
Moonlight, Sunshine and Xbox have also been a thing for a very long time.
Or are you mocking their failed Steam Machine?
TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
if steam made a phone it wouldn’t be
dbtng@eviltoast.org 2 weeks ago
I’m probly stating the obvious. I’m usually a little behind the curve
… But this steamframe thing … It’s already a phone, pretty much.
It just needs different apps now.So … Steam just DID make a phone.
udon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Do you guys not have phones?
Lemminary@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Yes, but we despise the companies behind them. Valve is still in good graces after all this time.
udon@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Hm, maybe the reference was not clear or maybe it was and we’re stuck in layers of implied references:
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
G*mers will buy anything if it has their favourite monopoly logo on it.
s08nlql9@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club 2 weeks ago
Well, it would need to be open with open sauce drivers to run whatever OS you choose.
It would also have to be of higher spec.
Basically just take that Frame, cut the battery in half, change the cameras to 1" (wide & telephoto), swap the LCDs with one big ol’ OLED, and cram it in a nice alloy body. And RGB lighting everywhere (kidding).
CobaltMetropolis@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Valve should release a phone if they get into the mobile gaming industry of course steam isn’t based around that, but it would be nice if valve at least officially port their games to there…
Sturgist@lemmy.ca 2 weeks ago
No, but since the frame is arm based, a phone with clip on controller bits like the switch that could also play my steam games is absolutely something I would throw money at.
billwashere@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I’m a self proclaimed apple fanboy and I would seriously consider switching to a Linux phone by Valve. I have to admit all this hardware they’re releasing is quite intriguing.
Demdaru@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
I kinda wanna hate that but, while pricy, it…it would be good, wouldn’t it? It’s Valve after all. It wouldn’t be astounding. But it would be stable, reliable, accessible…
All dreams as of now but…
real_squids@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
But it would be stable, reliable, accessible…
And have a 50% chance to be abandoned/unsupported in 2 years. In the real world they have zero reasons to release a standalone phone, (huge) maybe they could make a tablet for remote play.
fistac0rpse@fedia.io 2 weeks ago
mobile gaming is one the biggest segments of the gaming industry based on revenue. depending on how scummy their intentions are, a GabePhone could be a very good business move
rapchee@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
last year i plugged in my steam link just to see if it still works and it had an update
Electricd@lemmybefree.net 2 weeks ago
What’s the point? The entire point of a phone would be compatibility with apps. You can already run something nice and repairable and relatively open if you go over the fact that many features won’t work with it, like some banking apps, NFC payments…
LuigiMaoFrance@lemmy.ml 2 weeks ago
stable
SteamOS is by far the least stable experience I’ve ever had out of all consoles and handhelds I remember owning. Linux phone would be nice though.
Toes@ani.social 2 weeks ago
Would be crazy if it was also running steamos (arch)
dbtng@eviltoast.org 2 weeks ago
Jebus. Ya, I’ll take Valve’s bloatware compared to anyone else’s … so far.
Until they get in bed with Facebook.
And push some new AI girlfriend on me.Goddamn I wish I could build a custom phone OS like Arch. I would actually take the time and do that.
When I get a new phone, it takes me a couple weeks to strip out all the crap without disabling the devices primary functions. Lotta breaking shit and rolling back. It takes for fukin ever.I know open linux phones are on the horizon, at least to some degree.
And when its a legit option, I’ll shell out for a customizable phone.
Until then, I’ll stick to my lobotomized moto-g.techfox@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
I’ll take Valve’s bloatware compared to anyone else’s
Damn right!
Until they get in bed with Facebook.
Absolute worst possible move!
And push some new AI girlfriend on me.
Woah woah woah, let’s not be hasty now, let em cook, that could be good.
dbtng@eviltoast.org 2 weeks ago
Bawwhahahah!!! k. … but I don’t do that on my phone …
cley_faye@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Goddamn I wish I could build a custom phone OS like Arch. I would actually take the time and do that.
You totally can. Android phones are basically a Linux kernel with a nice GUI. Just find the appropriate modules for your specific hardware, then assemble a suitable set of software to provide an user interface, and voila. We even already have good support for touch screen, phone calls, and a lot of other things available as separate pieces. I’m sure people will be happy to have this, myself included. Oh, and once you get all the pieces, remember to fix all the weird quirks, who would want a phone where the gyroscope stop working when you enable the camera, right?
What? That’s too much work? Yeah. That’s exactly why people are seeking for a large, resourceful entity to do that. Because it requires a truckload of time, effort, and knowledge. Today, “building” a linux distro is possible because of the vast amount of effort invested in it for decades.
dbtng@eviltoast.org 2 weeks ago
So ya. Building your own is not a legit option yet. When it becomes more feasible, I’ll be one of the early adopters.
etchinghillside@reddthat.com 2 weeks ago
Where!? When!?
entwine@programming.dev 2 weeks ago
These types of posts worry me because I can’t tell how much of it is a joke, and how much of it is sincere. It’s starting to feel like the healthy skepticism towards Valve that existed before is now mutating into Apple fanboy shit.
Valve is a monopolist. Maybe you happen to like them, but they’re still a monopolist. They have a monopoly on PC gaming, and you’re cheering for them to have a monopoly on smartphones? Maybe you think they’ll be “better” monopolists than Apple or Google, but they’re still fucking monopolists. Monopolization is the root cause of the enshittification epidemic, and a lot of the inequality and just obviously-broken shit in the economy. It’s no coincidence the Trump admin is so eagerly supporting consolidation, and his FTC has stopped absolutely zero mergers.
This is the non-political version of the “leopards ate my face party” joke.
Jakule17@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Pls with a jack and sd slot
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works 2 weeks ago
Shut up and take my pixels!
vga@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
If it’s the size of an iphone 13 mini or smaller, I’ll buy it.
guynamedzero@piefed.zeromedia.vip 2 weeks ago
You know, I would 100% buy a phone from them if it runs Linux
bobo1900@startrek.website 2 weeks ago
With the amount of work they are putting in compatibility layers technology, I wouldn’t be surprised if you could run The Witcher 3 on it out of the box.
AdrianTheFrog@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
people are saying that the witcher 3 works really well with the winulator app (uses wine and box86, which i’ve heard usually performs a tiny bit better than FEX, what valve is using, at the cost of occasional innacuracies)
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not disagreeing, but if you just want to run the witcher 3 on your phone you can do it right now
zergtoshi@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Me too, even if I could have more bang for my buck elsewhere.
Give it a decent camera, battery life and good security as well as privacy and take my money already!
Matriks404@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
If you have a phone running Android, it already runs Linux.
guynamedzero@piefed.zeromedia.vip 2 weeks ago
I unfortunately do not, and come on, you know that’s not what I’m talking about
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 2 weeks ago
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