Feel like if it was another country they’d be sanctions or something already.
Other countries are learning how to separate themselves economically from the US more.
Why isn't the rest of the world doing anything about the USA?
Submitted 22 hours ago by florge@feddit.uk to [deleted]
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SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 58 minutes ago
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Because it’s your own fucking mess.
Blumpkinhead@lemmy.world 31 minutes ago
I could be mistaken, but I don’t think that they’re a US citizen asking for help.
Tuuktuuk@piefed.ee 1 hour ago
The same has happened in something like 25 % of countries, and they haven’t gotten sanctioned for that.
Most of our diamonds and cobalt and cocoa come from countries that have similar problems as USA now does.BeatTakeshi@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Send the man a Luger, to be stored in the bunker under the Epstein ballroom
TheLazyNerd@europe.pub 5 hours ago
Countries need to reduce their dependency on the US first: The US is the strongest force within NATO, so with Russia getting more aggressive, Europe and Canada need to quickly build up a stronger army. The US is NATO’s largest supplier of weapons, so Europe and Canada need to invest in their weapons industry. The US is the worlds largest manufacturer of CPU’s and GPU’s. While there are non-US alternatives, these are not as good and are designed for custom build electronics rather than desktops, laptops and servers. Most international payments go via the US (even a lot of international payments within Europe). Countries need to persuade their banks to find new ways to do international payments, but the current system is pretty advantages for the banks, so they are reluctant to agree. Most cloud infrastructure is in the US. Other countries will need to move their data out of the US. The US is a large provider of humanitarian aid, and the largest exporter of food. Poor countries will have to find a new way to get those resources.
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world 58 minutes ago
Yup. Europe needs to become self sufficient again and move on from WW2 and the Cold War.
cmhe@lemmy.world 47 minutes ago
I don’t know what you mean by that. No country or federation in the world is self sufficient. Everyone needs global trade.
madcaesar@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
TLDR The USA is the most powerful country in the world, and the world never prepared for a time when the USA would be led by a fascist asshole.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Someone need to convince the US to invade the US in order to give the US some #Democracy™
Hadriscus@jlai.lu 4 hours ago
Nice tallyup, thanks
Matombo@feddit.org 2 hours ago
they haven’t even take poland by now, the world will act once they attack france
cv_octavio@piefed.ca 5 hours ago
Canadians are not buying America’s shit, and are unlikely to resume that habit anytime soon. It doesn’t take effect immediately, but when you compound it with the other ass backwards trade policies you’re living under now you will all be suffering greatly within a year.
So will everyone, mind you.
waspentalive@lemmy.world 2 hours ago
When you make an enemy of a friend, you will have to work 7 times as hard to turn that enemy back into a friend.
cv_octavio@piefed.ca 2 hours ago
7x if you use Newtonian classical physics. I think CERN discovered that it’s actually 9.4x harder when you account for the quantum foam. Plus in accordance with the theory of indeterminacy we might just spontaneously make trade deals with other partners.
1984@lemmy.today 5 hours ago
Because they are too powerful as an enemy. If they were the size of denmark, they wouldnt get away with anything.
The entire economy of the western world is also extreamly connected to the US. Our pension funds invest in their tech stocks, our financial systems use the dollar… And a lot more things that i dont even know.
America is pretty much running the western world. Like it or not. :/
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Its not just the Western world.
America defined the new world order after world war 2.
They accrued 75% of the worlds golds reserves selling weapons to allies during WW2.
This allowed them to peg the dollar to gold under the Breton Woods system, allowing their currency to become the global reserve currency.
The rest is history.
1984@lemmy.today 3 hours ago
Yeah.
I have mixed feelings about it. How would the world look if it was China or Russia that managed to do that? How would Europe look?
I mean, maybe better but I have so much western propaganda in me, that i cant judge how Russia or China would be.
anas@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
We’re doing what we can, I personally boycott US products as much as I can.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 7 hours ago
Trump has inspired more trade side deals between countries than any US President in history. It will take 5-10 years to notice but it cannot be reversed and the US will feel the result of an isolationist economy like once Great Britain.
Canada is signing new trade deals every month with not the USA.
cley_faye@lemmy.world 14 hours ago
The rest of the world is slowly routing everything around the USA. Assuming things turns back, there will be a lot to rebuild in matter of trust and commerce.
Now, if you’re talking about what happens inside the USA, well, what do you propose other countries do? Invade? Because that’s not happening. There’s enough to do for damage control outside of it.
Waldelfe@feddit.org 5 hours ago
Assuming things turns back, there will be a lot to rebuild in matter of trust and commerce.
I’m not so sure about that. The US has proven that they’ll make a 180° turn on anything within just the blink of an eye. Even if the US turns back, there’ll be no guarantee it won’t elect the next batshit crazy person as president four years later.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
It will take the US decades to rebuild trust. Its more likely the country decays some sort of hypercapitalist modern flavored feudalism with water slaves dying in the streets before other countries put long term trust in the US again.
Rooty@lemmy.world 5 hours ago
We’re not going to liberate you. You brought this upon yourselves.
optissima@lemmy.ml 4 hours ago
I think part of the issue being brought up here is
- Yes but our policies impact the world stage a lot
- a majority of the people here didn’t bring it upon themselves
bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 21 hours ago
There are 200 countries and the US is one relatively small, isolated pocket making terrible decisions and hurting themselves. Many countries hurt themselves and the US is just one of them.
US problems benefit their rivals immensely and is influencing their allies to become more independent and form new local alliances, there’s no benefit to anyone to long jump into one isolated hornet’s nest.
Sanctions are specifically difficult against the US because 1) they’re largely hurting themselves, most countries don’t agree the US is doing the wrong thing about Palestine/ foreign/other policy to warrant sanctions and 2) the US has so much, albeit dwindling, legacy political and financial/banking influence that sanctions won’t make much of an impact.
If your dog starts defecating on the floor and rolling around in it, you clean up your dog.
If your neighbor starts defecating on their floor and rolling around in it, well…
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
…you call for a welfare check on them? I mean, clearly there’s some mental issues going on with your neighbor.
But what are you going to do? Go over there yourself??? Whoa whoa whoa whoa! Easy buddy. This is America. They probably have a gun, and are already proven to be mentally unstable! Plus, they’re covered in shit! I just cleaned my dog. I don’t want to smell MORE shit!
bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 21 hours ago
Yup, that’s basically what has happened.
Political leaders and journalists have visited and done “welfare checks” on the US, and came to the same conclusions you just have.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 hours ago
The last time the US enacted global tariffs, it created the Great Depression, which hit the entire globe and was one of the major contributing factors to the Nazis rise to power. What happens here might only be hurting Americans and killing American minorities at the moment, but the psychotic demagogue in charge here will have real international repercussions soon enough. Honestly though, I think the tariffs have done what international sanctions couldn’t do, which is help convince some of Trump’s cult that he’s the one hurting them. Sanctions would just let him blame the outside world.
You should keep in mind, it will take time for everybody else to truly divest themselves of the orange shit-gibbon and all the corporations based here, and that means time in which the fan spraying shit can turn towards Europe.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone 21 hours ago
dog if you think the US is “relatively small”
look at what Nazi Germany, an even “smaller” country did – it started a world war and nearly took over an entire continent.
the fascist US, with a much larger influence, is an existential threat to the world.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 2 hours ago
The US is small on a global scale but certainly big enough to destroy the world.
bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 21 hours ago
The US looks bigger and more influential from the inside. Its tantrums look tiny and rambunctious from out here.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 19 hours ago
The US is an existential threat to Canada and countries in the Americas that MAGA has bones to pick with. Maybe also Iran. The vast majority of the world is mostly safe, because America has no interest and/or capability to start shit there. For your Germany example, Hitler made it clear exactly what he wanted to do in Mein Kampf.
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
How the fuck do you consider one of the largest countries, in literally every physical, economical, military, and basically every other metric… Small?
The fuck crack are you smoking. Cause that’s some good shit.
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
The US certainly punches above its weight economically and militaristically. But its population is still a fraction of the global population and while it has wealth and lots of weapons, the rest of the world absolutely does have a say in how important we let it be.
bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 3 hours ago
The world is muvh, much bigger than one sparsely populated country, and there are far more important metrics than the physical size of the US.
Metrics like population, geographic isolation, health care, political instability, violent crime, countless others that define a country, mark the US as an entity to be safely disregarded.
Thailand passed the US in health care years ago, China passed the US in renewable and next-gen tech, not to mention manufacturing, most countries citizens enjoy much more robust civil rights.
Yes, the physical country is large, but the US is s small, insecure, violent pocket of the world that people don’t need to pay nearly as much attention to as its groupies demand.
The US looks very tiny from out here, and even tinier from the inside after seeing some of the rest of the world.
z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml 21 hours ago
And when your neighbor starts defecating in your house and also all your other neighbors houses and also onto their own wife and children in plain view of everyone else, daring them to do something all while their armies and aircraft carriers point in every direction including at themselves?
I think the answer is still you do nothing. But man would I like to be wrong on this one.
bitofarambler@crazypeople.online 21 hours ago
Do yu mean Russia? Their attacks have resulted in external military buildup near borders, NATO assurances, local military alliances.
Russia’s aggression directly harms and threatens other nearby countries.
Different measures for different circumstances.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 16 hours ago
putin benefits from countries becoming isolationists to some sort. so russia can eventually take over ukraine, and move onto other former soviet block countries.
jmbreuer@lemmy.ml 12 hours ago
Doctorow’s as usual excellent take also touches on this:
pluralistic.net/…/redistribution-vs-predistributi…
TL;DR: it’s not so much only the US, it’s corporate (quasi-)monopolies, and those operate in a lot of countries.
falseWhite@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Unfortunately by sanctioning the US, they would be sanctioning themselves. The world just needs to wait for the orange madman to destroy the US economy, which is well on the way.
whaleross@lemmy.world 20 hours ago
The rest of the world has done various responses to the American trade war. Most everybody else has found other partners to do business with and those that haven’t are soon about to. America is not hurting other countries economically as much as they are hurting themselves. The entire ICE thing is terrible and it is too bad the government agencies have given in and that the military seems to be rolling with it too. But it is still domestic affairs as long there isn’t any proof of concentration camps or massacres or the like. We have lots of empathy for the people in America suffering from all of this.
But then again…
You guys have free elections and this is your democratically elected leader doing what he promised to do. You guys had him elected after he staged a failed coup once already. What do you expect the rest of the world to do about it? To save you guys from yourselves?
ABCatMom@lemmy.ca 19 hours ago
Never fails to surprise me that there are people in the US who expect the world to fix this for them. Sorry, it’s your country, you’ll have to figure out how to take it back. In the mean time the rest of us will work out new trade deals with other countries and arm ourselves in case your government decides to take their shit across the border.
expr@programming.dev 17 hours ago
The OP is on reddit.uk, so most likely not an American.
The question is also just that, a question. Not an expectation.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 9 hours ago
Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 3 hours ago
Eh give it a bit and we won’t even be able to afford to make em anymore. Self solving problem really!
melsaskca@lemmy.ca 9 hours ago
They respect other nations sovereignty plus there is a mad man with his finger on the nuke button who is very jittery.
Objection@lemmy.ml 5 hours ago
They respect other nations sovereignty
Uhhhhhhh???
1984@lemmy.today 1 hour ago
Must have missed a “dont” on his keyboard.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 16 hours ago
they are, by not giving tourism dollars to the welfare states, and not going to usa.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
This. Academics are avoiding the US. Job seekers are looking elsewhere. Suppliers are not sourcing from the US because it is unstable.
Quexotic@infosec.pub 6 hours ago
Exactly. Nation states don’t need to do anything because the world’s economy is actively avoiding the US due to its instability and untrustworthiness.
I can only imagine what the next generation is going to have to deal with. Kind of makes me sad.
14th_cylon@lemmy.zip 20 hours ago
trump is literally issuing sanctions on his own citizens and they applaud him for it. i don’t think sanctions will work here 🤷♂️
Strider@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
Have a look into what other countries did with the rise of nazis.
Business liked it.
As a German, what do you think we could do? Even with our experience we’re having fun with the far right Afd and the other parties are basically doing everything to get more voters to them!
blargle@sh.itjust.works 19 hours ago
yaroto98@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
I think they’re just keeping their heads down and not poking the bear. He’s already blindly striking out at imaginary percieved insults. They’re just riding out the next few years and hoping to not make anything worse.
Plus, it’s not their job. It’s the US’s job to clean up the bed they shit in.
BombOmOm@lemmy.world 22 hours ago
Yeah, from the world’s perspective, this is a problem that solves itself in a few years. Plus, the idea of ‘doing something’ about a country is not a very common action. The most common action is to ignore the BS best you can, focus on building up allies, and focus on building up your own country.
Sunshine@lemmy.ca 21 hours ago
There’s absolutely no excuse for buying American goods services.
yaroto98@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Absolutely boycot the crap out of us.
starlinguk@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
The rest of the world has been trying to do something and has received threats from Trump in return.
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 hours ago
As a US citizen, I would expect the rest of the world not do anything - the fuck have we done for them? And even if things had been done at some point, why rock the boat now?
Let the US collapse, boycott our exports, ridicule Trump when he travels. Fuck this country, let it burn.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 16 hours ago
oh, no, you misinterpreted OP
they’re not wondering why nobody is helping. they’re wondering why nobody is cutting them off
AlecSadler@lemmy.blahaj.zone 16 hours ago
Gotcha. Well, in that case, I think everyone should be cutting off more. I want to see the US economy get decimated.
(I realize I’m coming off super aggro, but I just don’t see how else everyone here is going to wake up)
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works 21 hours ago
Xi Jingping, Putin, and Trump are all having a feast with each other, meanwhile their respective countries’ citizens starve. We have more in common with the average people across borders than with our own leaders.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 21 hours ago
To some extent, this has always been true.
It’s just that right now it’s worse than ever
jannaultheal@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
What can anyone do? The USA has the strongest military force in the world.
And they are being “sanctioned” by tourists avoiding going to the USA
KelvarCherry@lemmy.blahaj.zone 14 hours ago
Also the USA has nukes. No one’s going to invade us, because doing so would be a destructive act, and the final order of any armed state is to nuke its attackers. This is the same reason North Korea gets to remain its defiant self when their army could be obliterated in a few bombing runs. This isn’t even counting all the non-nuclear weaponry we have. Think of that annual budget of hundreds of billions of dollars in military spending that keeps getting raised every year…
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
There are bigger and worse threats than the USA out there, and it’s more beneficial to trade with the USA than to not trade with the USA. You could rationalize that the USA might be more likely to fix itself while sanctioned, make them realize their mistakes, but you would at the same time be severely lowing the West’s military capabilities in a time of eastern aggression.
1984@lemmy.today 5 hours ago
Making Trump realize his mistakes? Yeah, somehow I dont see that happening…
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
The insinuation is that the USA citizens would learn and then somehow magically overthrow the world’s most powerful military.
NoneOfUrBusiness@fedia.io 19 hours ago
US "allies" haven't gotten the memo yet, US enemies aren't going to interrupt America while it's killing itself and non-aligned nations don't give a shit. Human rights abuses are almost never the real reason for sanctions, just like the US didn't invade Iraq to spread democracy.
Auli@lemmy.ca 20 minutes ago
Because the US is the biggest market and they’d rather make money then do the right thing.