Submitted 5 weeks ago by Lisk91@sh.itjust.works to [deleted]
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The funniest thing is that the superhero they have a problem with is Superman.
If it were Batman, that would be different. Batman isn’t a pure-hearted hero, he’s a more complex character. If it had been someone in the X-Men, or pretty much any Avenger other than Captain America, there would be room for a discussion.
But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it’s basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.
Absolutely.
I know people can call superman boring, but to me what makes him even more amazing is that he has enough power to basically dominate everyone… But he doesn’t, he always chooses to do the right thing and tries to give people a second chance.
It’s part of the reason Zach Schneider’s Superman sucked balls, because they tried to make him some dark edge lord that literally kills in the first fucking movie.
Supes is the last hero that remains as some sort of beacon of hope and fairness, which naturally goes against the fascist mindset.
A red hatter cannot comprehend having power and not using it to subjugate or enforce your will. It simply does not compute in their lead infested brains.
I think it’s a challenge to make superman interesting because he’s both so powerful and so good. That’s why, when I read / watch DC stuff, I like it when he’s a side character, not the main character. I think Captain America is the Marvel universe’s equivalent of Superman in terms of personality / attitude. But, he doesn’t have anywhere near Superman’s power, which is why it’s easier to write interesting stories with him.
You’re completely right that that’s the mindblowing part of Superman – that he has all this power, but he doesn’t use it to reshape the world. Instead, he saves people from dying, whenever he can. And, he stops people from hurting other people.
I think a lot of the conservative mindset is that there are people who are supposed to be at the top, and people who are supposed to be at the bottom. If you’re at the top, it’s because you deserve to be there. If you deserve to be there, you have the right to impose your will on the people below you. Superman is undeniably at the top in terms of power, but he refuses to wield his power. That doesn’t make sense if your world view is that might is right.
they would like viltrumites from the invicible universe then, they are just a nazi version of superman, but without sun enhancements or weakness to kyrptonite.
The biggest super hero fan I know said that he doesn’t like Superman. Confused by this I asked him why, and he had a pretty good point.
His reason was that, Superman generally isn’t physically challenged. In most cases the only issue he faces is trying to figure out what is going on. After that, Superman wins every time. The only exception is with kryptonite. His literal only weakness.
So all plot lines boil down to a mystery, followed by some flashy scenes of Superman going Superman stuff, the end; with the only real exception being “bad guys have kryptonite”. It’s boring.
And you know what? He makes a good point.
None of this goes against anything you say, it’s just one person’s opinion (not even mine). The only reason I’m posting this is to say, it’s possible to dislike Superman content, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t imply someone is anti-Superman.
Food for thought.
It’s probably the main reason that there are games about pretty much every superhero going, but Superman always gets skipped. Superman 64 is the classic example, due to how dire it was. There’s been a few attempts since then, but nothing popular and the last was about 20 years ago.
The only real threat to Superman is to attack the things he cares about.
I kind of like the subversion of Superman type characters, like Dr Manhattan (what if Superman was indifferent?) or Homelander (what if Superman was a cunt?)
Death of Superman, Reign of Supermen, Superman Allstar. There are many film/scenarios, where superman has to fight someone actually stronger than he is. Even in Justice League Dark Apokolips, he is captured first, and then injected with Kryptonite.
Your friend needs to watch/read more DC content.
Some more examples with spoilers below.
He even got mind controlled by Poison Ivy once. Hell, in the new game, Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League, he is mind controlled by Brainiac, and Wonder Woman having Kryptonite didn’t protect her from Superman. Superman has also done questionable things, even without being mind controlled, like in Batman The Dark Knight Returns Part 2, it is implied that he ripped out one arm of Oliver Queen, aka, Green Arrow, who was also member of Justice League, because the government of USA wanted to stop vigilantes. Then he also almost killed Batman, after being almost killed by Batman.
I feel like this might need some context.
But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it’s basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.
Right, the main complaint is that he’s so perfect it’s boring.
And also that he has a pretty Western/USA centric sense of morality, which you think Western chauvinists like conservatives would eat right up.
Well, except he’s a journalist and an immigrant and he fought against the kkk.
Personally i like stories where he strugless more with how yo use his powers without becoming a despot.
Its so intresting tought experiment how much some one who is basically a god should intervine before it is too much.
At what point enforcing law becomes tyranny.
Even in-universe they call him boy scout lol
Batman is just a rich guy playing edgy superhero. In batman the villians are the stars.
Batman is a lunatic occasionally playing rich playboy to finance his crusade against crime, born from untreated trauma.
And most of his villains are just as insane as him.
Gotham is basically a vicious circle of maniacs driving each other further insane.
Peak human and “the greatest detective” of all time. Also with prep, basically unbeatable. Rich guy comes in with the gadgets and cave.
Im so glad Im not American. It must be fucking exhausting keeping this dumb as fuck culture war going.
its the billionaires(class war) + a little troll farm is keeping us distracted from the class war. with the help right wing talking heads and fox.
For fucks sake, mate. How can you be so right, and so fucking blind at the same time???
Conservative culture creates whiney little bitch-made motherfuckers that have no meaning in their lives beyond clinging to imaginary grievances. The state of the world would be marginally better if we all learned to stop giving them attention.
Because “woke”/liberal/left/PC mob/etc arent the exact same thing just coming from the other side? For every right wing grifter, theres a left wing grifter do the same thing. Winding everyone up.
Feels like they’re arguing with themselves and begging for attention most of the time. It wouldn’t be a problem if corpo bitches didn’t listen to them.
If only they were arguing with themselves. The problem is everyone else who picks a side, and then jumps in arse first with a lot of opinions and very little information that isnt just headlines and buzzwords. People are so fucking angry all the time. And they blame the “other side” for it, not once considering that for every right wing grifter, theres a left wing grifter turning the screw just as hard in order to get likes, shares and subscribes.
Only the time of the online influencer became a thing, we were all fucked. Covid just accelerated to ludicrous speed, and now dark helmet is up all our asses.
Not anymore, it runs off AI. All you have to do is feed the data centers catastrophic amounts of fresh water.
Fellas, is it gay to value your loved ones and oppose violence?
Hella gay. Let’s go do crimes about it.
The only problem I have with this is that it’s fiction.
If even Superman is being targeted, I don’t even want to know what Captain America is up to these days. Is he already the poster boy for ICE?
I’m asking because this isn’t fiction.
It would be pretty ironic if it was considering he socked Hitler in the jaw all those times
I mean, dirty cops love the Punisher, even though he’s canonically killed quite a few of them.
Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest, because the MAGA cultists somehow still see themselves as patriots.
Irony just doesn’t seem to be their thing, otherwise they probably wouldn’t have voted for the same rapist twice.
I take it you never saw CA: The Winter Soldier. There’s this whole bit about Steve and Nat getting hunted because they didn’t bow to the fascists.
I think it’s very interesting that CA: Winter Soldier was about the secret Nazis that have taken over the government while CA: Brave New World (Order) is about how slavery is okay when the President General does it and loves his daughter or something
what Captain America is up to these days. Is he already the poster boy for ICE?
Well, yeah, he basically was, for a while.
(These fascist types tend to identify more with the Punisher, though, despite the fact that he’d be the first to shoot them full of bullets.)
I’m kinda in the same boat. I don’t give a fuck about Superman or Bond or any other lone hero fighting against imaginary villains when real villains are running amok.
Even James Gunn seems to be aware of this FWIW
Real talk: Hollywood didn’t go “woke” you just grew up to be a piece of shit.
No, but, see, superman wasn’t enough of an edgy anti-hero in this one so now I’m sad.
While I prefer to not get my political messaging from media productions, I’ll take what I can get. When was expressing good moral values determined to be a bad thing again? I forget.
When basic politeness started getting folks called out as “soy boys”.
As far as media productions go, Clark’s been consistently on the correct side of the social spectrum. Except for a few years during WW2.
Explain how punching Nazis while being a character specifically designed to steal “Superman” rhetoric from them is being on the wrong side.
In the early years of the war dude has an issue where he drags Hitler and Stalin before the League of Nations to stand trial from invading Poland.
About 2015?
May 2015, it was in May 2015.
This is who Superman was. A literal (illegal) alien saving humans and, despite his full ability to completely take over the world, trying to be a good human.
Just reinforces my belief that if Jesus were to arrive today they’d throw him in a cage and then disappear him to a prison on foreign soil with no trial.
So basically exactly what the story said the romans did.
And yet we see ourselves as smarter than those who came before us.
Just verification that they know their views are despicable at some level, even if they refuse to admit it to themselves.
A not insignificant factor in breaking the early kkk was Superman beating the living shit out of dudes in robes for awhile. They’re just mad it worked twice.
and/or they looj at lex and worship him for all the wrong reasons.
Same folks who couldn’t handle a Bishop preaching mercy, either.
Didn’t the same movie have Hawkgirl pulling a Pinochet on the bad guy though? Weren’t they happy enough with that?
No you see because that guy was going to commit a genocide and these people like genocide
This is not normal. It’s ok to have things like a right wing and a left wing, a conservative side and a liberal side, so to speak. But it’s not ok for the right wing to be any further right than, say, Bernie Sanders.
Love the post but am I missing some English education? Whinge? Lol
UK slang that roughly means whining or complaining.
not just UK slang, used in America and Australia too - a bit less common than ‘whine’ which I’d say it’s a synonym of.
I see
I think it’s like whine but you’re making fun of the whining person more
Idk I’m not Bri’ish either
Sad but not unexpected.
Waaaaah! Suoerman isn’t enough if an edgy antihero for me!
Why does the new superman look like such an idiot? The uniform also looks kinda weird and like he’s wearing a red diaper over an I’ll fitting suite.
I liked the movie, but could have done without the messaging. I dislike political messaging in media even when I agree with the message, because I’m going to said media to escape reality. I don’t need a reminder about it, and I particularly don’t need some allegorical moral instruction, like I’m some sort of child.
I think there’s a place for political messaging in film—like when it’s the explicit purpose of said film—but I don’t like it being wedged in just anywhere.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Have you seen The Boys? There’s an actual fan club of Homelander. The series creators are trying to cut it down because it’s the exact opposite of the message they try to bring. Vilans are people’s new heroes now. Like Trump and Musk for example.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
People are stupid
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Fascists aren’t people in most of the ways that matter.
They do have viable organs tho, if we wanted to address the shortage in an easy and ethical way.
wewbull@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
The Boys is great because it explores how horrific a world like that would be, and how close that world is to ours.
Thankfully I’ve not seen people fawning over Home Lander. I see people say they exist, but I do wonder if that’s drive-by people mistaking fandom of the show for fandom of Homelander.
The guy is a forever child whose insecurity makes him a monster. You’re shown how all his “romantic” relationships are about him being mothered. He literally keeps breast milk in his fridge. He’s an infant given god like powers. There is nothing inspirational about him.
He’s a great villain though.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
I love his character, the actor really does a great job. But he’s super evil. He’s a great representation to the real world, as many people think there’s no collateral damage too great to justify reaching their goal. Dehumanizing others, committing war crimes, hunger for power, forcing their beliefs onto others. I despise people like that.
But there are people who think otherwise: See this
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 weeks ago
Its the same way all of silicon valley read ‘snow crash’ and was like 'yeah! Metaverse! Apartheid south african enclaves in los angeles! Mind vontrol virus! Christofascism!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 5 weeks ago
homelander was based on trump, and they were obviously parodying Conservatives in the show.
wewbull@feddit.uk 5 weeks ago
The comics are from long before Trump. (2006-2012) Homelander is just what happens when you give a flawed person Superman powers. That’s the whole premise of the Boys. “What-if superhumans were real people with real flaws?”.
He’s the manifestation of “absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 5 weeks ago
At the same time, I like that the antagonists of the boys are people with nuance.
The best shows and stories are ones where both sides believe they are doing what is best for everyone, but disagree on what’s best for everyone… Like Thanos. His idea was good in concept, his execution? Not great.
5too@lemmy.world 5 weeks ago
Man, bit of a tangent, but even as a fast thought experiment, Thanos’s idea was bad. Just his motivation was (debatably) good.
The problem is, the vast majority of species populations can easily double in a generation, given plentiful resources - and plentiful resources was what he was aiming for! Even if everything went exactly as he thought it would, he’s just kicked the can down the road for one generation.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works 5 weeks ago
Same with so the storm trooper Star Wars stuff that seemed to start around the first time Trump ran.