Have you seen The Boys? There’s an actual fan club of Homelander. The series creators are trying to cut it down because it’s the exact opposite of the message they try to bring. Vilans are people’s new heroes now. Like Trump and Musk for example.
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TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
wewbull@feddit.uk 24 minutes ago
The Boys is great because it explores how horrific a world like that would be, and how close that world is to ours.
Thankfully I’ve not seen people fawning over Home Lander. I see people say they exist, but I do wonder if that’s drive-by people mistaking fandom of the show for fandom of Homelander.
The guy is a forever child whose insecurity makes him a monster. You’re shown how all his “romantic” relationships are about him being mothered. He literally keeps breast milk in his fridge. He’s an infant given god like powers. There is nothing inspirational about him.
He’s a great villain though.
TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 minutes ago
I love his character, the actor really does a great job. But he’s super evil. He’s a great representation to the real world, as many people think there’s no collateral damage too great to justify reaching their goal. Dehumanizing others, committing war crimes, hunger for power, forcing their beliefs onto others. I despise people like that.
But there are people who think otherwise: See this
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 13 hours ago
People are stupid
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
Fascists aren’t people in most of the ways that matter.
They do have viable organs tho, if we wanted to address the shortage in an easy and ethical way.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
Its the same way all of silicon valley read ‘snow crash’ and was like 'yeah! Metaverse! Apartheid south african enclaves in los angeles! Mind vontrol virus! Christofascism!
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
At the same time, I like that the antagonists of the boys are people with nuance.
The best shows and stories are ones where both sides believe they are doing what is best for everyone, but disagree on what’s best for everyone… Like Thanos. His idea was good in concept, his execution? Not great.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 hours ago
homelander was based on trump, and they were obviously parodying Conservatives in the show.
wewbull@feddit.uk 18 minutes ago
The comics are from long before Trump. (2006-2012) Homelander is just what happens when you give a flawed person Superman powers. That’s the whole premise of the Boys. “What-if superhumans were real people with real flaws?”.
He’s the manifestation of “absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
anomnom@sh.itjust.works 6 hours ago
Same with so the storm trooper Star Wars stuff that seemed to start around the first time Trump ran.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
Im so glad Im not American. It must be fucking exhausting keeping this dumb as fuck culture war going.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 hours ago
its the billionaires(class war) + a little troll farm is keeping us distracted from the class war. with the help right wing talking heads and fox.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
For fucks sake, mate. How can you be so right, and so fucking blind at the same time???
Manifish_Destiny@lemmy.world 8 hours ago
Feels like they’re arguing with themselves and begging for attention most of the time. It wouldn’t be a problem if corpo bitches didn’t listen to them.
Bennyboybumberchums@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
If only they were arguing with themselves. The problem is everyone else who picks a side, and then jumps in arse first with a lot of opinions and very little information that isnt just headlines and buzzwords. People are so fucking angry all the time. And they blame the “other side” for it, not once considering that for every right wing grifter, theres a left wing grifter turning the screw just as hard in order to get likes, shares and subscribes.
Only the time of the online influencer became a thing, we were all fucked. Covid just accelerated to ludicrous speed, and now dark helmet is up all our asses.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
Real talk: Hollywood didn’t go “woke” you just grew up to be a piece of shit.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
No, but, see, superman wasn’t enough of an edgy anti-hero in this one so now I’m sad.
TheOakTree@lemmy.zip 14 hours ago
Fellas, is it gay to value your loved ones and oppose violence?
defuse959@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
Hella gay. Let’s go do crimes about it.
DandomRude@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
The only problem I have with this is that it’s fiction.
If even Superman is being targeted, I don’t even want to know what Captain America is up to these days. Is he already the poster boy for ICE?
I’m asking because this isn’t fiction.
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
It would be pretty ironic if it was considering he socked Hitler in the jaw all those times
sundray@lemmus.org 16 hours ago
I mean, dirty cops love the Punisher, even though he’s canonically killed quite a few of them.
DandomRude@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
Wouldn’t surprise me in the slightest, because the MAGA cultists somehow still see themselves as patriots.
Irony just doesn’t seem to be their thing, otherwise they probably wouldn’t have voted for the same rapist twice.
morphballganon@mtgzone.com 12 hours ago
I take it you never saw CA: The Winter Soldier. There’s this whole bit about Steve and Nat getting hunted because they didn’t bow to the fascists.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 10 hours ago
I think it’s very interesting that CA: Winter Soldier was about the secret Nazis that have taken over the government while CA: Brave New World (Order) is about how slavery is okay when the President General does it and loves his daughter or something
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
what Captain America is up to these days. Is he already the poster boy for ICE?
Well, yeah, he basically was, for a while.
(These fascist types tend to identify more with the Punisher, though, despite the fact that he’d be the first to shoot them full of bullets.)
wewbull@feddit.uk 10 minutes ago
TheBat@lemmy.world 7 hours ago
I’m kinda in the same boat. I don’t give a fuck about Superman or Bond or any other lone hero fighting against imaginary villains when real villains are running amok.
Even James Gunn seems to be aware of this FWIW
AlexLost@lemmy.world 17 hours ago
While I prefer to not get my political messaging from media productions, I’ll take what I can get. When was expressing good moral values determined to be a bad thing again? I forget.
sundray@lemmus.org 16 hours ago
When basic politeness started getting folks called out as “soy boys”.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 hours ago
As far as media productions go, Clark’s been consistently on the correct side of the social spectrum. Except for a few years during WW2.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 11 hours ago
Explain how punching Nazis while being a character specifically designed to steal “Superman” rhetoric from them is being on the wrong side.
In the early years of the war dude has an issue where he drags Hitler and Stalin before the League of Nations to stand trial from invading Poland.
RoidingOldMan@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
About 2015?
Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works 14 hours ago
May 2015, it was in May 2015.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net 17 hours ago
Same folks who couldn’t handle a Bishop preaching mercy, either.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 hours ago
Didn’t the same movie have Hawkgirl pulling a Pinochet on the bad guy though? Weren’t they happy enough with that?
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.blahaj.zone 17 hours ago
No you see because that guy was going to commit a genocide and these people like genocide
WillFord27@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
candyman337@lemmy.world 18 hours ago
Love the post but am I missing some English education? Whinge? Lol
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone 18 hours ago
UK slang that roughly means whining or complaining.
candyman337@lemmy.world 16 hours ago
I see
boonhet@sopuli.xyz 18 hours ago
I think it’s like whine but you’re making fun of the whining person more
Idk I’m not Bri’ish either
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 hours ago
Waaaaah! Suoerman isn’t enough if an edgy antihero for me!
ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 13 hours ago
Sad but not unexpected.
Tedesche@lemmy.world 12 hours ago
I liked the movie, but could have done without the messaging. I dislike political messaging in media even when I agree with the message, because I’m going to said media to escape reality. I don’t need a reminder about it, and I particularly don’t need some allegorical moral instruction, like I’m some sort of child.
I think there’s a place for political messaging in film—like when it’s the explicit purpose of said film—but I don’t like it being wedged in just anywhere.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world 11 hours ago
So, a character who is meant to embody protecting peace, justice, and freedom for all for as long as he has existed is now too political for advocating peace, justice, and freedom for all?
How dare they impose their politics on such a blank and centrist slate.
Tedesche@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
No, I just don’t like political messaging in my superhero flicks. You’re misunderstanding my point (possibly intentionally, idk, it’s really not that complicated).
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
That was the explicit messaging of the movie. The scene with Superman not understanding why some people might have an issue with him saving lives, to him convincing the other Heroes to throw realpolitik to the side to do the same, to Lex completely not understanding altruism. It wasn’t just wedged in. It’s was the whole point of the movie.
Tedesche@lemmy.world 9 hours ago
No, it wasn’t the whole point of the movie, it was a thinly veneered plot that mimicked and commented upon real-world events. The central themes of the film were about identity being defined by one’s choices and actions, rather than one’s genetics or parents’ wishes. Films that explicitly critique society are films like Brazil or The Manchurian Candidate, and I have no problem with them because they’re explicit in their purpose at being political commentary. Making a superhero movie that’s purpose is rebooting the DCEU and inserting a political message into it is not explicit at all.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 10 hours ago
Gouge out your eyes then
Tedesche@lemmy.world 10 hours ago
Delete your comment before the mods do.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 6 hours ago
conservatives like you are, what they are making fun of, because of ridiculous they take things.
Tedesche@lemmy.world 6 hours ago
I’m a liberal and a progressive, so that shows how poor a room-read you have. Come back when you have better grasp of things.
merc@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
I thought the movie was awful, but the message was good. The plot was just bad. The characters were so unrealistic that it was distracting. Like, the people Luthor had in his command centre. These ordinary people were eager to kill, or at least badly injure Superman? That detail needed an explanation. It wouldn’t have needed one if they hadn’t focused so much on those characters, but for some reason they were made an important part of the story.
The only really great scene in the movie was when Lois Lane grilled Superman on his intervention in the war. It was good to see a good-hearted man who was confident he had done the right thing stumble when asked hard questions.
merc@sh.itjust.works 8 hours ago
The funniest thing is that the superhero they have a problem with is Superman.
If it were Batman, that would be different. Batman isn’t a pure-hearted hero, he’s a more complex character. If it had been someone in the X-Men, or pretty much any Avenger other than Captain America, there would be room for a discussion.
But, Superman is such a good, kind-hearted hero that it’s basically impossible to be a good person and be anti-Superman.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip 7 minutes ago
Oh yeah, no flaws, no notes
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madcaesar@lemmy.world 1 hour ago
Absolutely.
I know people can call superman boring, but to me what makes him even more amazing is that he has enough power to basically dominate everyone… But he doesn’t, he always chooses to do the right thing and tries to give people a second chance.
It’s part of the reason Zach Schneider’s Superman sucked balls, because they tried to make him some dark edge lord that literally kills in the first fucking movie.
Supes is the last hero that remains as some sort of beacon of hope and fairness, which naturally goes against the fascist mindset.
A red hatter cannot comprehend having power and not using it to subjugate or enforce your will. It simply does not compute in their lead infested brains.
MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 6 hours ago
The biggest super hero fan I know said that he doesn’t like Superman. Confused by this I asked him why, and he had a pretty good point.
His reason was that, Superman generally isn’t physically challenged. In most cases the only issue he faces is trying to figure out what is going on. After that, Superman wins every time. The only exception is with kryptonite. His literal only weakness.
So all plot lines boil down to a mystery, followed by some flashy scenes of Superman going Superman stuff, the end; with the only real exception being “bad guys have kryptonite”. It’s boring.
And you know what? He makes a good point.
None of this goes against anything you say, it’s just one person’s opinion (not even mine). The only reason I’m posting this is to say, it’s possible to dislike Superman content, but that doesn’t and shouldn’t imply someone is anti-Superman.
Food for thought.
Blackmist@feddit.uk 2 hours ago
It’s probably the main reason that there are games about pretty much every superhero going, but Superman always gets skipped. Superman 64 is the classic example, due to how dire it was. There’s been a few attempts since then, but nothing popular and the last was about 20 years ago.
The only real threat to Superman is to attack the things he cares about.
I kind of like the subversion of Superman type characters, like Dr Manhattan (what if Superman was indifferent?) or Homelander (what if Superman was a cunt?)
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de 3 hours ago
Death of Superman, Reign of Supermen, Superman Allstar. There are many film/scenarios, where superman has to fight someone actually stronger than he is. Even in Justice League Dark Apokolips, he is captured first, and then injected with Kryptonite.
Your friend needs to watch/read more DC content.
Some more examples with spoilers below.
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He even got mind controlled by Poison Ivy once. Hell, in the new game, Suicide Squad Kill The Justice League, he is mind controlled by Brainiac, and Wonder Woman having Kryptonite didn’t protect her from Superman. Superman has also done questionable things, even without being mind controlled, like in Batman The Dark Knight Returns Part 2, it is implied that he ripped out one arm of Oliver Queen, aka, Green Arrow, who was also member of Justice League, because the government of USA wanted to stop vigilantes. Then he also almost killed Batman, after being almost killed by Batman.
Demdaru@lemmy.world 4 hours ago
Even in-universe they call him boy scout lol