Seeing how they screwed over Mick Gordon, the composer for the previous two installments, I’ll vote with my wallet and skip this one. My backlog is big enough as it is anyway.
DOOM: The Dark Ages Has Reportedly Sold Less Than 1 Million Copies
Submitted 2 days ago by simple@lemm.ee to games@lemmy.world
https://80.lv/articles/doom-the-dark-ages-has-reportedly-sold-less-than-1-million-copies/
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Aganim@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Prandom_returns@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Doom Eternal is a beautiful album that includes a lovely mini-game.
Thistlewick@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
Doom Eternal? The game with a soundtrack that was made up of butchered parts of Gordon’s work, welded together by a novice, at the command of an egotistical dickhead who slandered Gordon after the fact?
medium.com/…/my-full-statement-regarding-doom-ete…
Eternals original OST was very poor compared to Doom 2016. Big reason I never bothered with the game.
MolecularCactus1324@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Same
yesman@lemmy.world 2 days ago
meant to mislead potential players into thinking the game is successful when, in fact, it’s severely underperforming behind the scenes.
Why would a player in a single-player game give a tiny shit about how popular it is? It’s the investor class that cares about that; stop treating their interests as a natural good.
Aux@feddit.uk 2 days ago
“Investor class”, lol wtf is this new lunacy?
Feyd@programming.dev 2 days ago
It’s old lunacy. Believe it or not we live in a class based society where the vast majority of the people that actually provide value to society have their labor stolen by leeches that make money by having money and that is what that person means by the investor class.
AngryishHumanoid@lemmy.world 2 days ago
That term is decades old, it’s fine if you haven’t heard it before but maybe consider that possibility before replying like that and looking like an asshole.
Murvel@lemm.ee 1 day ago
This is Lemmy; everything is politics and it’s really fun and mentally healthy
Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
It’s a bad game
mysticpickle@lemmy.ca 2 days ago
Marty Stratton and his denuvo riddled pos game can kindly get fukt after what he did to Mick Gordon, the composer of the banger soundtrack for Doom 2016.
kurcatovium@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Holy fucking shit! I live under the rock in the middle of nowhere so I’ve heard only some brief parts of “something wrong with DOOM Eternal music” but nothing factual. Now I gave the time to read the whole article and I’m speechless. 'Cause this is bad, really, really, REALLY bad. I feel sorry for people that have to work and live under such assholes like Marty obviously is…
Hadriscus@lemm.ee 1 day ago
Yea, I read that a few weeks ago and it convinced to not touch Doom TDA. I mean, maybe pirate it, but certainly not buy it.
Don_alForno@feddit.org 2 days ago
Wow. I already wasn’t going to buy any more Bethesda slop, but now I’m not going to buy it twice.
nfreak@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Let’s see
- The game itself takes away a lot of pieces of the formula that made 2016 and Eternal so good
- $80 price tag
- BDS boycott
I’m shocked that it’s not selling, absolutely shocked.
IronKrill@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
And also, for some of us:
- Boycott due to Mick Gordon’s treatment.
nfreak@lemmy.ml 1 day ago
TRUE, I knew I was forgetting something else
FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 days ago
It’s $70 though?
nfreak@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Was thinking of BL4. Still pretty egregious though
LandedGentry@lemmy.zip 2 days ago
BDS boycott?
Saleh@feddit.org 2 days ago
BDS is a global movement calling for boycotts, divestment and ultimately sanctions of Israel and companies complicit in Israels illegal occupation and other crimes against the Palestinian people.
Microsoft provides AI tools to the Israeli army -IDF- which are used to automatically designate people as targets for bombing. Among other things a particular heinous AI is infamously named “Where’s Daddy”, where bombings are timed so that the target is killed upon arriving home, so their entire family is also murdered.
www.972mag.com/lavender-ai-israeli-army-gaza/
apnews.com/…/microsoft-israel-military-gaza-hamas…Activision Blizzard, Bethesda, iD-Software, Zenimax, Mojang (Minecraft) and others are all owned by Microsoft.
nfreak@lemmy.ml 2 days ago
Microsoft (and by extension id and Bethesda) are a priority target for the BDS boycotts against Israel
CatDogL0ver@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Google says BDS stands for Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (against Isreal.)
daggermoon@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The DRM kept me from buying it
Damarus@feddit.org 2 days ago
It’s also 80€ in Europe. Everyone I talked to is waiting for the price to drop, including me.
arudesalad@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
It’s £70 in the uk, that’s $95 while in the us it costs $70, which is £50. Xbox did the same thing with the new call of duty, their regional pricing is so braindead.
jackod@lemmy.nz 2 days ago
$130 NZD, I don’t want to guess what $80 USD games are going to “convert” too 😮💨
Flemmy@lemm.ee 2 days ago
I just aquired a value cap to my interest in digital entertainment. Using the vacation money on living/home improvements and built for life camping gear. €25 indie rpg’s and films for the tablet is enough but then again I have no teenage children that demand top shelf brands or else.
secret300@lemmy.sdf.org 1 day ago
Well it has Denuvo… I wasn’t buying that shit
Hachiman@lemm.ee 11 hours ago
It’s ironic that they attach third-party software to prevent piracy out of fear of losing sales, but in the end, it actually causes them to sell fewer copies. lol
trslim@pawb.social 1 day ago
Forcing raytracing is a great way to close off a bunch of customers.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Not just because some people don’t have it either, but for anything with RTX2000/3000 and RDNA2, Forced RT is just forced low framerate.
I hope making everyone dynamically draw the lights and shadows in realtime for a linear game was worth the 15c it saved on Microsoft’s electricity bill for not pre-baking overnight.
Vanilla_PuddinFudge@infosec.pub 1 day ago
Yep, that and it looks like the base Doom formula has been watered down a lot from the gameplay I’ve seen.
The release of new games sometimes makes me play older titles, going through Doom 2 with some tasty mods atm.
caut_R@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I don‘t buy any digital copy of a game for over 45 bucks, doesn‘t matter what it is… I also haven‘t finished DOOM 2016 yet and haven‘t even started Eternal. Not because they‘re bad games or because I don‘t like FPSs, but because I have so much shit to play and so little time.
Competition is fierce and asking 80 bucks when I got the predecessors for less than 5 each is just not happening. Just because games cost more to produce doesn‘t magically make customers have more money and time. It‘ll make release weeks stinkers outside of your GOTYs and makes more people wait or go back to 20+ years worth of other games that aren‘t 80 bucks.
TaiCrunch@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
$20 is the limit for me. I’m perfectly fine waiting a few years to play the game, if it still exists by that point. If it doesn’t, then I’m glad I didn’t waste my time.
caut_R@lemmy.world 2 days ago
And another plus is that you get to play the games as bug free as they‘ll get AND at higher framerates assuming your hardware improved in the meantime. I certainly wouldn‘t have been able to get the high fidelity DOOM 2016 experience I can get now (at a high framerate) way back when it released.
Downside is that if there‘s any multiplayer component to a game, it‘s probably pretty damn dead years later. But first, I personally don‘t care much about that anymore and second, games bleed the majority of their playerbase within months anyway so it‘s whatever.
Kecessa@sh.itjust.works 2 days ago
Games cost more to produce but there’s more customers than ever
pm_me_anime_thighs@lemmynsfw.com 2 days ago
And its certainly not the developers who are getting all that extra money.
Quazatron@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Amen.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 12 hours ago
£70 ($95) for the base game and £100 ($135) for the full game. Bethesda go fuck yourself.
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Honestly, Doom Eternal really soured me on the franchise. I loved the original Doom games, loved 3 and played the absolute shit out of Doom 2016.
Then Eternal turned into a fucking frustration fest with all its platforming. I still haven’t finished it. Now the new one reinvents Doom yet again. And there’s somehow dragons?
Man, I’m fucking done. Give me more of that 2016 Doom or don’t bother.
Regrettable_incident@lemmy.world 15 hours ago
Yeah, I’d buy a DLC for 2016 right now but I doubt I’ll buy Dark Ages, at least not until it’s on sale.
Throbbing_banjo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 day ago
I’m on the same page as you re: Eternal. The first hour out so was fun, and the graphics are neat, but it stops feeling like a Doom game pretty quickly. It doesn’t even feel like a Quake game, which would at least be tolerable.
Will probably give this one a shot eventually when it’s on discount, but not in a hurry.
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 1 day ago
God I miss Quake. That was such a great series. Can you imagine what they could do with that on modern tech? I’d love to see a quake reboot a la 2016 Doom. That would be fucking awesome.
CallateCoyote@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Good news then because Dark Ages is extremely different than Eternal and a lot of people who didn’t like that game but loved 2016 are happy with it. I’m not saying rush out and spend $70 on it, but give it a go when it’s on sale down the line and you might end up really pleased with it.
Eternal was too hard for me. Love Dark Ages.
axby@lemmy.ca 1 day ago
I also liked Doom 2016 and it worked well on Linux. I’m sad to hear that the later ones weren’t as good.
Do you know of any games similar to Doom 2016 that you’d recommend? I liked how it didn’t waste time trying to tell a story, usually I’d watch a movie or read a book if I want a good story. Doom had enjoyable steady action and I felt like I could enjoy it for half an hour at a time without needing much time to get into it.
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I honestly don’t mind some story in games. Heck, I’ve got hundreds of hours in Skyrim and other RPG’s. Doom to me is run & gun. Doom 2016 had the perfect amount of story for a Doom game.
Honestly, I don’t think there’s anything else quite like it. If there is, I don’t know it. Most other shooters are either COD, SciFi, retro FPS or stuff like Borderlands that leans into comedy.
If this was ‘back in the day’, closest recommendation to it would likely be something like the Quake series. That’s id’s own successor to the original Doom. Sadly also long dead.
Arcane2077@sh.itjust.works 1 day ago
I just barely convinced myself to spend €80 on a single game, then noticed Denuvo. Hard pass
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org 13 hours ago
Someone is probably explaining the math to some suits how these are still good numbers because they now charge 80 dollars. In a podcast someone said that the 120 whatever dollar version that lets you play 3 days earlier was so dogshit bad that they had to yank out the power cable out of the wall because it crashed so hard. It’s hard to feel bad for these paid beta testers tho
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Game is 70$ on Steam US and has a very positive review. That is still too much money unless this is a game you were really looking forward to.
TripleIris@lemmy.wtf 1 day ago
AAA gaming is dead. Indies have been carrying gaming for years now.
demizerone@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I would have bought it of it didn’t have denovo. I’ll wait til its stripped out.
Sunshine@piefed.social 1 day ago
The raytracing requirement is fine but having to deal with denuvo is a bridge too far.
Xatolos@reddthat.com 1 day ago
After Eternal, I’m not interested in this one. 2016 was fantastic, but Eternal felt all over the place. It tried to tell a story but skipped the entire second “book” between the two games, making it feel unfinished trilogy.
Then there’s the difficulty, easy was too easy, and normal was too hard. I shouldn’t have to choose between surviving 10+ hits (easy) or dying in 3-4 (normal). That’s not balance. And I don’t have the time to ‘git gud’ when the difficulty jump is this extreme.
Considering they already had to tweak difficulty in The Dark Ages, it looks like they’re still struggling to get the scaling right
burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 1 day ago
there’s a gorillion reasons why it isnt doing so hot, but i could make a few uneducated guesses. one, gamepass subscriptions, which obfuscate the data and has sent multiple studios to the grave even when they had moderate success. two, the economy is terrible in the US and getting worse by the day, making a $70+ game not an appealing purchase. three, maybe the Boycott Divestment Sanctions protest is having some effect.
Wahots@pawb.social 1 day ago
DOOM 16 was fantastic, but eternal felt gross. It was a huge step back from 2016, and didn’t feel fun. I’m not bothering with the newer games since they essentially are going off gimmicks.
xangadix@lemmy.world 2 days ago
I’m one of the biggest fans of the DOOM franchise, I’ve played all the versions since the original one in 1993. But I don’t care if I play it now or in half a year. Or a year for that matter. Never really understood why having it first matters to anyone. I’ll be here when the prices drop.
I was stupid enough to buy SpaceMarine when it came out, at full price (mostly because I loved Boltgun so much) and that was a great lesson in waiting around a bit before actually buying a game. It would have been a fun game for 15 or even 20 euro, but it’s not worth 70 euro. I Should have bought helldivers, anyway 😓
Siresly@lemm.ee 1 day ago
So much I don’t know here. Like what an 80.lv is, what their source Alinea Analytics is or what either of their credibility is, why a second source (Ampere) arrived at a PS5 number that deviated from Alinea’s by over 100%, why this didn’t make 80.lv question the veracity of the claim they opted to put in their headline, what sales even mean in the context of Game Pass, why I would care about the potential profitability of a game I don’t care about, why I clicked this post, am writing this comment, or why Microsoft opts to be complicit in Israel’s genocide.
theotherbelow@lemmynsfw.com 1 day ago
In this economy? I’m sure its worth it but $70 is $70.
nawa@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Not sure about hardcore Doom fans but the game looks uninteresting to me specifically. It’s like a polar opposite from Doom 2016 judging by all the videos I’ve seen. Don’t really care about the higher price, I’d get it if I liked it but it really doesn’t click for me.
Feyd@programming.dev 2 days ago
I didn’t even look at it enough to know if I’d buy it otherwise when I saw it has denuvo. Always online DRM is a hard pass for me. I haven’t played the last 3 games Atlus released either and I’ve been playing almost every one since the ps2 era.
Kurious84@eviltoast.org 1 day ago
I tell ya I se 70 bucks for a game when everything is small and you get no value for your dollar and everything costs more. No thanks.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz 1 day ago
Well they added a mandatory “parry” system to a doom game, what did they expect?
msbeta1421@lemmy.world 1 day ago
The only real criticism I have of the game is the price. I think it was a great single player experience, but I totally understand people balking at the $70 price tag.
It was fun, but I put it down once the credits rolled. Nothing inherently wrong with that; cramming a ton of completionist and weekly update content would not have made this a better game.
Maybe I’m just old.
tiny_hedgehog@lemm.ee 2 days ago
*fewer than
Subverb@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Fewer than. *
TommySoda@lemmy.world 2 days ago
As much as I love the Doom games I’m not really a fan of the $70 price tag. The Doom games are great games but it’s not like they are in my top 5 favorite games or anything like that. I’ll wait for a sale.
Eggyhead@lemmings.world 2 days ago
MITM0@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Oh & denuvo
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Mostly this. I’m not paying for something that comes with malware. Not for $80, $20, or $1. Nobody should pay for malware.
chunkystyles@sopuli.xyz 1 day ago
Denuvo is the only reason I’m waiting. I’m on Linux, and I’m not risking that Proton change license issue. And also I hate the performance hit that Denuvo causes.
wcSyndrome@lemm.ee 2 days ago
Where is it $80?
RiQuY@lemm.ee 2 days ago
80€ in Steam Spain.
ms_lane@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Not in Australia, it’s $120 here.
Todd, Marty, Phil and Satya can suck an egg together.
Eggyhead@lemmings.world 1 day ago
Steam, the cheapest I see it as is 79,99€ where I am, which is actually US$90. I just assumed the US store did a straight conversion to dollars, but you’re getting a discount too, it seems.
FeelzGoodMan420@eviltoast.org 2 days ago
It’s $70
pennomi@lemmy.world 2 days ago
Depends on your location in the world. Which shows just how arbitrary the price actually is.
utopiah@lemmy.world 1 day ago
I mean… I don’t play Doom due to DRM but also to be fair Expedition 33 is “just” 40ish hours whereas Doom is (check notes) less than 20hrs to complete? WTH. Nope.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 10 hours ago
20 and 40 hours both sound pretty terrible for such expensive games. Got far more out of games like Factorio and for a lot less.
mechoman444@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Also… I think you missed this one… It’s $80.
overload@sopuli.xyz 2 days ago
Also, it reviewed well but with some annoying caveats.
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world 1 day ago
Gonna wait for a code and a sale in a year