The 60s? Not eligible for a war?
Are we just rewriting history to ignore Vietnam?
Anon describes past
Submitted 3 weeks ago by LifeLemons@lemmy.ml to greentext@sh.itjust.works
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RightHandOfIkaros@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Oh woops i broke my ankle and an anti war doctor said I’ll never walk again.
Oh woops I’m on extended vacation in Canada.
vvilld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
If you were not upper-middle class (or higher) and white, these really weren’t realistic options to avoid the draft.
leftzero@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
Bone spurs.
BigBananaDealer@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
all these pussies breaking ankles and citing bone spurs know a real man shits his pants right in front of the officer
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
found Ted Nugent’s lemmy account
morrowind@lemmy.ml 3 weeks ago
What % of the population actually fought in the war?
booly@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Page 45 of this PDF has a good chart. It shows that about 26.8 million men were draft eligible in that generation, and about 8.7 million enlisted, 2.2 million were drafted, and 16.0 million never served, including about 570,000 apparent draft dodgers.
About 2.1 million actually went to Vietnam, and about 1.55 million were in combat roles in Vietnam. 51,000 were killed.
So roughly:
- 41% of that generation of men were in the military
- 8% of that generation went to Vietnam
- 6% of that generation fought in Vietnam
- About 0.2% of that generation died in Vietnam
Blackmist@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
I guess that depends how poor and black they were.
ilega_dh@feddit.nl 3 weeks ago
Not enough to win it
echodot@feddit.uk 3 weeks ago
Not everyone in the world is an American of course.
Machinist@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Picking up hitchhikers to Woodstock during the summer of '69 kind of narrows it down unless op was one of those maple syrup types.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Yeah north korea what an amazing place to live
do you have an intellectual disability???
Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
That generation got paid $45 an hour in today’s value.
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Federal minimum wage in 1965 was $1.25/h, which is $12.69/h today. Looks like Alaska had the highest state minimum at $2.10, $21.32 today. Or were you taking more average rather than minimum wage?
bnrnrtbgd@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
They never said anything about minimum wage.
BlindFrog@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Idk who’s closer, guys. Where the sauce at :u
Alaknar@lemm.ee 2 weeks ago
They’re not talking about “wage”, they’re talking about “value”. I’m assuming “purchasing power”.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
If you scale it to housing prices, it’s even more ridiculous.
JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Are you thinking of a particular source? I couldn’t find substantiation for $45/h.
Lyra_Lycan@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 weeks ago
I calculated this a few years ago, but It shouldnt’ve changed much. Take the year 1960 or whichever year that you can get all the following reliable information: Minimum wage, and median two bed house cost/sale price, for the specific area or state. The minimum wage in my area in 1955 was equivalent to double what it is now, and with the housing market (and omitting tax because it’s too dynamic) minimum wage then was enough to earn a house’s value in four years. To earn the equivalent house’s value before tax in the next four years, in my area, minimum wage must be $45/h.
Rocketpoweredgorilla@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
My first house in 1999 was an older 4 bdrm on 14 acres of land for $50 grand. There were a lot of homes in the 30-40 grand range but lesser yards.
Now those same houses when they go up for sale are selling for over 200k easily.
PrivateNoob@sopuli.xyz 3 weeks ago
For note: 50k from 1999 is worth 96k today
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Also worth noting: in most areas, that price is exceptionally cheap for what he got, even for the time.
surph_ninja@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They left out ‘be white.’ It was a horrific time for anyone else.
Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
Plus not of a religious minority, supporter of womens/gay/black rights, or be LGBT, or be disabled. :/
steeznson@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Even just the 90s was crazy. Not calculated with inflation because I’m bad at maths but my folks’ house they bought in 1992 has more than quintupled in value.
markovs_gun@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Here’s a rule of thumb - the federal reserve has a target inflation rate that they try to meet, and that is usually around 2%. Therefore, if you want to do a quick party trick you can do the mental math that things have roughly doubled in price since the 90s. Recent covid related inflation, upcoming tariff related inflation, and 1970s inflation break the trend, but typically the value of money halves every 30-35 years.
taladar@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
A nice rule of thumb is that the doubling time for anything growing by a specific percentage is roughly 70 divided by that percentage. So inflation of 2% annually means something will be twice as expensive every 35 years. A 2% increase in energy use means we will use twice as much energy in 35 years. And those fossil fuel deposits (or other raw materials of choice) that are going to last a couple of hundred years “at current rate of use” will be used up twice as fast at 2% increased use every year in a mere 35 years and four times as fast in 70 years at which point those “hundreds of years” of reserves are probably almost gone.
steeznson@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
The 4chan/greentext community is so wise
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I know someone who’s house value went up by 440% of her mortgage payment every month for 10 years.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
And this is exactly why we can’t have affordable housing. All these boomers go from wealthy retirees to hungry tent dwellers like the rest of us.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’m starting to think this “Anon” guy just makes shit up!
CalipherJones@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
I’ve met a boomer that basically has lived this greentext. I thought it was an exaggeration until I met him.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
Which part? Personally I doubt the Roadrunner part.
gramie@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
If OP was 20 in the Summer of '69 then he most certainly was eligible to fight in a war.
Alaik@lemmy.zip 3 weeks ago
Wasn’t it like 8.25% of eligible men were drafted? Which doesn’t include college deferments, “bone spur” avoidance, etc?
More than 9 out of 10 people didn’t get drafted. It certainly sucked for those who did, but the majority didn’t have to worry about war.
gramie@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
I would not have wanted to take my chances of being one of the 1/12. They not have had to worry once it was all over, but while it was happening a lot of people were at risk of being sent to die in a foreign land.
booly@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
About 40% of that generation was in the military. 8% were drafted, but a lot of the 32% who voluntarily joined did so in order to exercise some control over where they ended up. Even those who didn’t serve, often had to deal with the overall risk hanging over their head, or were actively committing crimes to avoid the draft. The draft might have only directly affected 8%, but the threat of the draft, and people’s decisions around that issue, was a huge part of that generation’s lived experience.
jerkface@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
It certainly sucked for those who did, but the majority didn’t have to worry about war.
It’s not like you knew; you were still fucking worried even if you were in the 9/10.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
For the thousands of stories like this, there’s thousands more of people that have their shit away for peanuts because they didn’t understand the value of what they had. My dad gave away so much shit for no reason it’s mind boggling.
Barbudo@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
First Mustang was the 64-1/2. Unless you mean the plane…
Pacattack57@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
For the sake of the story I made the year cuz I couldn’t remember it but based on the pictures we have of it it looks the most like the 72
vvilld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
This post describes and upper-middle class cishet white dude, and that’s it.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 weeks ago
Maybe a modern upper-middle class cishet white dude.
The point is that, back then, you literally could afford a Plymouth Roadrunner after working a summer job for a month or two.
vvilld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
Yes, it was easier for just anyone to buy a car. Now do the rest of the stuff in that post. None of it was accessible to someone who wasn’t a upper-middle class cishet white dude in the late 60s.
booly@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Cars were somewhat cheaper back then, but they were also a lot shittier. Most odometers only had 5 digits because getting it to 100,000 miles was unusual.
Advances in body materials made it so that they no longer disintegrated into rust by the 1980’s, and advances in machine tolerances and factory procedures made it so that cars were routinely hitting 100,000 miles or more by the 1990’s.
A 1969 Plymouth Roadrunner MSRPed for $2,945, in an era when minimum wage was $1.60/hour. That’s 1840 hours worked at minimum wage (46 weeks of full time work), for a car that could probably drive about 100,000 miles, and required a lot more active maintenance.
Now that cars last longer, too, the used car market exists in a way that the 1960s didn’t have. That makes it possible to buy a used car more easily, and for the new cars being purchased to retain a bit more value when they’re sold a few years later.
And that’s to say nothing of fuel economy, where a Roadrunner was getting something like 11 miles per gallon, or safety, back when even medium speed crashes were deadly.
The basic effect, in the end, is that the typical household in 2025 is spending a lower percentage of their budget on transportation, compared to the typical household in 1970.
The golden age for being able to buy and use cheap cars was probably around 2015-2020, before the used car market went nuts.
pigup@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
It’s a tad tougher these days even for them
vvilld@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 weeks ago
I’m not saying it isn’t. I’m saying a lot of the things in the post were only accessible to people with privilege.
Being 20 in the US in 1969 and not getting drafted into Vietnam? Summer of 69 being more defined by Woodstock than the racial justice uprising that swept across black communities virtually every summer of the 60s (including 69)? Finding a woman who grew up in a super tiny town and her NOT being super racist against you? Getting a well-paying job with no qualifications? Not getting redlined out of being allowed to buy a decent house, let alone being allowed to buy 10 acres?
None of that was accessible to people of color, poor people, or women, let alone openly lgbtq people.
Bebopalouie@lemmy.ca 3 weeks ago
Yup that was the life for both my brothers (born in 1945 and 1950, me in 57). They kicked it just in time that is for sure.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Be born in 1949
Fake and attracted to same gender.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
who the fuck is dodging both korea and vietnam in an age of general conscription?
Zealousideal_Fox_900@lemmy.dbzer0.com 1 week ago
tRump pulled it on Vietnam.
mojofrododojo@lemmy.world 1 week ago
can’t be trump, it says “get a job”.
mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
ITT: Walter Sobchak.
Tattorack@lemmy.world 2 weeks ago
Back in my day I had to walk to school five times per day on my bare feet over gravel in knee high snow under a blistering hot sun with no water visible for 100 km!
It gave me the character to become a landlord and earn my pay from everyone else!
TheUnsungRooster@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
I think Anon is making shit up, willing to bet he wasn’t born in 1949…
DesolateMood@lemm.ee 3 weeks ago
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There is no war in Vietnam
steeznson@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
They were calling citizens in alternating groups of SSNs like a lottery. When it was my Dad’s buddy’s turn to show up for the medical he thought he’d fake extreme scoliosis, slouched one shoulder back and down, then half limped into the doctors office.
He was never even asked to take his shirt off and got excused on medical grounds.
Formfiller@lemmy.world 3 weeks ago
He is a trump republican now I’m sure
bnrnrtbgd@sh.itjust.works 3 weeks ago
How did you hear about this? Seems a bit odd he’d brag about it over 50 years later. Yeah, son, I faked a condition to get out of the war like a total coward. Don’t think I’m any less of a badass though. I’m still a total badass.
PornPlane@lemmynsfw.com 3 weeks ago
I could have gone to canada, I could have stayed in school