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• PapaStevesy@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think you answered your own question: there is no non-sexual nudity in such a hyper-sexual society.

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  • MummifiedClient5000@feddit.dk ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    But the US is also weirdly prudish about sex.

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    • misteloct@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The religious prudes think that any nudity must be sexual. Best to cover up and avoid temptation. They are the hyper sexual ones, in a way.

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    • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s actually normal in sexually repressed societies.

      Similar stuff happens in Iran, where young people get down to crazy freaky sex because they’re so sheltered from it in everyday life.

      The more people are told “no,” but the only reasons are religious reasons, the more will rebel against it.

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    • trotfox@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      There’s a state you can own a maximum of 6 sex toys, in law.

      They don’t got their stuff figured out yet.

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    • SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Only in the official public sphere, off to the side it is very sexualized. Ads and tv shows are full of sexual references. You hit strange limits though like genitalia cannot be shown in movies (not X rated) but you can use a fake penis on men and a merkin on woman which is ok for some bizarre reason. The US forced its prudishness with genitalia on the Japanese after WW2 which is why they pixelate it. It likely has its roots in the US as a mainly evangelical Protestant settled nation vs the more Catholic and reformation Europe. Eastern cultures also have their own rules about nudity and sex but it isn’t seen as inherently sinful.

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    • MossyFeathers@pawb.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s only true if you don’t look under the covers.

      Spoilers: there’s a furry orgy hiding beneath.

      I find it really amusing that furries are probably the most unique American subculture, yet we get shunned by most Americans. Go figure lmao.

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    • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes. Their idiotic age rules (something about half age plus something, I don’t remember) they spread around on Reddit like it was some kind of gospel really made me question their sanity.

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• neidu3@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Scandinavian here. I’ve noticed the same thing with Saunas. Not just Americans, though, but brits too.

  Because having any articles of clothing on in a sauna is stupid. (I’ll defer to the Finns for a final judgement on that statement, but that’s my firm opinion, at least).

  Short story: A b7nch of coworkers and I had to spend 24 hours in a Rio de Janeiro hotel for a medical exam the day after. And of course we did what any self-respicting doodlebugger would do: we went to the roof bar. After way too much beer vodka and whisky we realized that there was also a sauna there. So we did the only thing appropriate; undressed and chilled in the steam. And for us scandinavians that meant nudity. For anyone else it meant prudity. And we were an eclectic mix of nationalities.

  Brit: “Uh, what are we doing here”
  Swede: “We’re bonding”
  Septic: “This is kinda gay…”
  Norwegian: “SHUT UP, WE’RE BONDING”

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  • someguy3@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Septic?

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    • neidu3@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Septic tank -> Yank. A brit slang for American I picked up somewhere.

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  • dota__2@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    “Septic: “This is kinda gay…””

    aight, bend over.

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  • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Finn here, anyone who sexualises sauna nudity is a complete idiot. YOU DON’T FUCKING WEAR ANYTHING IN THE SAUNA, PERIOD.

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• libra00@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s because a lot of social norms about that kind of thing tend to be set by religion, and the US has been heavily influenced by a particularly puritanical strain of evangelical protestantism that cares a lot about impropriety and sex.

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• solomon42069@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m a gay man and have personally sucked hundreds of dicks.

  But I’m too prudish to use a urinal.

  That’s how fucked up western culture is.

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  • surewhynotlem@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Too prudish to use a urinal. Kinky enough to BE a urinal.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What the fuck is this about prudishness getting off your feet and resting during a nice piss is great

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    • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I guess I’m a quick pisser since pulling my pants down, sitting down, getting up, pulling my pants up seems more effort than the short sit is worth.

      Besides, usually it’s a lot quicker to go to an urinal

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    • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I sit down when I pee!
      There’s nothing that crazy bout me
      I’m just takin a whiz
      Mind your own biz
      Why’s everyone always starting at me?

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• NABDad@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  In the years before the US existed, when the land was colonized by European powers, Europe had a lot of really annoying, prudish types who were a major downer.

  Someone had the bright idea to encourage them to move to the colonies where they could live their prudish existence free from the naked bodies of Europe.

  We ended up with all of Europe’s biggest prudes. Europe’s prudes have been trying to reestablish themselves, but they are at a serious disadvantage. Meanwhile, we in America have to deal with an overwhelming population of prudes that we’ve struggled for centuries to extinguish​.

  While we’re on the subject, Europe also found it convenient to dump their criminals here. So we end up with a culture in which full frontal nudity is unacceptable, but gun violence is just fun entertainment.

  I say that as someone who loves some good violence. Nothing quite so enjoyable as living vicariously through some bad ass beating the snot out of the bad guys in a movie.

  I never would have thought of myself as a prude, but recently stopped watching the series Banshee because the amount of gratuitous sex in the show was exceeding the amount of gratuitous violence to such a degree that I began to feel uncomfortable.

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  • False@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    What if I like both sex and violence?

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    • NABDad@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I guess I’d recommend watching Banshee.

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• cmoney@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We’re taught from a young age to be ashamed of our bodies, being ashamed makes people easier to control. Americans love being controlled while having the illusion of freedom.

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• RBWells@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  We were settled by Puritans. I do not personally care, and my mom and dad didn’t either. It is not some sexual thing to stay naked while doing my hair and skincare, it’s practical because nothing gets on my clothes. We do have specific family friendly nudist resorts in the US but that’s countercultural, you are correct our culture is prudish.

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• t_378@lemmy.one ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m sure the more cultural anthropologist types will have a more eloquent way of stating it, but the US has a hard time escaping it’s religious background, which views nudity as a gateway to sexuality, so people “must remained covered”.

  And in the same way, if men are naked around each other, people are afraid of it being seen as a sexual thing. I mean non sexual nudity doesn’t really exist in “standard spaces” in my part of the country anyway.

  And man, if an adult and young person were naked near each other, someone would call the cops!

  I think Hollywood sexuality is exactly that, escapist fiction. The US is actually a pretty sexually repressed place.

  You can sit around any bar and say “oh that girl is hot, I’d love to fuck her!” But you would get looks you’d get if you said “oh that girl is hot, I’d love if she pegged me!”

  Maybe it’s changing, but it doesn’t really feel like it to me.

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  • SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think Hollywood sexuality is exactly that, escapist fiction.

    Even Hollywood has to bend to the ratings agency though.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motion_Picture_Association#…

    The film This Is Not Yet Rated covered a lot of the issues with this rating system.

    en.wikipedia.org/wiki/This_Film_Is_Not_Yet_Rated

    • That the board seems to treat homosexual material much more harshly than heterosexual material (this assertion is supported by an MPAA spokesperson’s statement in USA Today that “We don’t create standards; we just follow them”)
    • That some sexual activities are frequently treated more harshly when it involves female orgasm or nontraditional sexual activities
    • That the board’s raters receive no training and are deliberately chosen because of their lack of expertise in media literacy or child development
    • That the appeals board includes two members of the clergy, one Catholic priest (Father Dave) and one Protestant (James Wall), who may or may not have voting power

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  • eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    You’re just going to the wrong bars.

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    • t_378@lemmy.one ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      I can’t discount this very valid point :D

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• yogurt@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  People are saying puritans or religion, but the US was even more religious and puritain 150 years ago, when nudity in public bathhouses was common. What changed was the US got rich enough to buy millions of tiny single person bathtubs and make installing more of them than you need an investment asset that you sell to pay for retirement.

  Japan has onsens and it also has people sleeping in a bush on the street. Both of those disgust Americans because you look poor. Even if you’re a sleepy business man in a suit it’s offensive that you’re not embarrassed that somebody might think you’re poor for a second. American onsens were for the poor, then for the very poor, then they were effectively illegal because we hate the idea that somebody too poor to buy a personal bathtub is allowed to live.

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• redlemace@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s not just them. I live in Sweden and I can’t understand why those from the middle east-area in the (men only) dressing room wrap themselves tightly i a towel and hide in the toilet to change clothes.

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  • ABCDE@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Was it? In Syria it seems pretty open.

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    • guy@piefed.social ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Yes but now they're in sinful Sweden! Who knows who might be gay

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  • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I remember that from school, the few Middle Easterners we got were very prudish and called us gay when we told them you’re not allowed to wear your swimming trunks in the sauna.

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• FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Yeah. Movies where people kill each other are suitable for children but movies where you can see a pair of tits for ten seconds, aren’t. Madness.

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  • HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    NSFW image follows

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    • hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Those are some great tits.

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  • cobysev@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Movies have actually been a huge influence on America’s view on sexuality, if not the largest influence.

    There’s one organization, CARA (the Classification and Rating Administration) who provides ratings for movies and TV shows in the US, and they’ve heavily censored nudity in film for decades, giving films shockingly high ratings if even a breast is flashed on screen for a moment.

    This has caused studios to limit nude scenes, or to be extremely creative about sex scenes, to avoid higher ratings. Because the higher the rating, the smaller the audience will be, and they want to appeal to a larger audience.

    If you watch American films from the 70s and earlier, seeing casual nudity in a film was a pretty normal thing, whereas you have to buy a porno just to see any nudity today.

    This had a nasty backfire effect, where our culture now associates nudity with sex. We don’t appreciate the natural human body unless it’s under the context of sexual desire or procreation.

    The crazy thing is, nobody really knows who the members of CARA are. Their identity is kept secret. The heads of their organization are known; you can check them out on their official website (www.filmratings.com/About), but the organization as a whole keeps their members’ names secret. So we have no idea who these people are who are censoring nudity in American films.

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    • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      The crazy thing is, nobody really knows who the members of CARA are. Their identity is kept secret. (…) So we have no idea who these people are who are censoring nudity in American films.

      Land of the free, eh? 😂

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  • Kecessa@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Is nudity part of an amendment? I think not!

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    I think at some point they were on the same level, then something happened and murder became less important, maybe with justification that it’s not shown directly, or that it’s aimed at bad guys somewhere far away, or I dunno. Outright gore like in Total Recall subway shootout scene became what’s equal to pair of tits.

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• RowRowRowYourBot@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The versions of Christianity that were too stuffy for Europe founded America. “The Pilgrims” that the US national story is built around were Congregationalists whose version of protestantism was so intense that they were forced out.

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• SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  If you go to the roots of it the Abrahamic religions (Christianity, Islam, Judaism) see the natural world as corrupt and a barrier to god. Nature was something to be “conquered”, human impulses are sinful and sexuality is especially impulsive and therefore sinful. It encourages all kinds of stuff like adultery, kids born out of wedlock (a big problem back then), and STDs (generally considered a divine punishment for sex). Clothing also denoted social rank and was even enforced by law.

  The wiki page does a decent job of explaining it.

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  • rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    That’s not what their roots are, that’s the branches that became prevalent in every one mentioned (Judaism least of all, but with the state of Israel existing there are attempts to make Jewish religion suck just as badly as others).

    Say, gnostic sects of Christianity and Judaism had this sometimes inverted, sometimes different from how you describe it. Natural world was considered wonderful, but bigger than our existence, in some, and the way to divine was to take off your mortal existence, like clothes, and embrace it in full. In Judaism it’s almost mainstream that natural sexuality is good and actually sacred when in marriage, and only outside of marriage is it bad, but not on the degree of murder or theft.

    I’m not very knowledgeable on Islam, but I think even Shia Islam is not so cruel on that part, though since Iran is Shia, I guess nobody will believe me. Alawis being massacred right now have a pretty tolerant to life religion, and Druze too, though they have that weird relationship with death similar to Latin American Catholics. Smaller branches like Nizari-Ismaili are very tolerant. It’s just that Islamic mainstream of today is barbaric genocidal Wahhabism or Salafism, and generally Sunni Islam is not nice.

    My point was - restrictive rules correlate somehow with strong organization, so such branches win the struggle for power.

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• don@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Does Japan still censor their pornography? I heard that was a thing, wondered if they still do.

  As for the Americans, it’s my understanding that the conservatives like to publicly pretend they’re chaste and pure because religious sexual repression, yet harbor the largest number of pedophiles, while the progressives aren’t nearly as backward.

  For roughly one half of the population, they’re unfortunately internationally defined by the shittier other half that gets nearly all of the (very well deserved) infamy.

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  • flamesinthenight@reddthat.com ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

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    • thebestaquaman@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      That’s an interesting take, to me it’s always been either porn or not porn, and the idea of “porn but censored so I fill in the gaps myself” hasn’t ever had any appeal. I don’t know if this is related to what I’ve been more exposed to (probably is), but anytime I come across porn that shows everything except a tiny pixelated part (as in, only pixelating part of the junk) kind of funny.

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    • FelixCress@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      You can like wanking to pixels?

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    • don@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

      Oh, okay. Interesting. Thanks.

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• ctkatz@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  puritans. you know the people so uptight that the english told them to get the fuck out (or rather they left to practice their uber conservative religion without consequences from the rest of the people).

  for whatever reason to our extreme detriment the super conservative religions grow in this country and we’ve all (in general) been taught to not call that oppressive lifestyle out to be polite. it explains why evangelical christianity isn’t really much of a thing outside this country.

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• cm0002@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The greatest corrupter of humanity, organized religion.

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• TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Protestantism.

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  • Kusimulkku@lemm.ee ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

    Nordics are Protestant.

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• LovableSidekick@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I think of myself as nudish about prudity.

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• TheBrideWoreCrimson@sopuli.xyz ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I’m gonna be brutally honest here, as I don’t care about the downvotes, but the amount of insanity and taboo around sexuality on - presumably predominantly American - online forums is indeed hard to bear. Always ready with the negative connotations: skimpy, slutty, cooties, cheating, home-wrecker; don’t even eye your cousin, that’s incest, therefore the worst thing in the world; a young woman loves a much older man, oh, he must have been grooming or coercing her… don’t masturbate or you’ll go blind, hair will grow on your palms… From a European POV, these seem like compulsory figments of sick minds. Love, sex - why can’t they just be there? So people can enjoy them? Why must people shit all over everything that brings joy? Even when mentioning these taboos “ironically,” such people perpetuate a culture of prudery and I don’t want it to creep into my own culture.

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• Yerbouti@sh.itjust.works ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  American are the biggest hypocrit on the planet.

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• Lennny@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  You know those Portuguese that fucked your country for a bit? So America was formed by people like that. And because there was no real collective culture to fight against it, a lot of our beginnings are from over zealous fucks that thought God gave them this land and yet also provided the Christian shitstains with people to convert.

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• Objection@lemmy.ml ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  The hyper-sexuality and the prudishness are two sides of the same coin. Repressing things doesn’t make them go away, it just means it’ll be expressed in weirder, less controlled ways. Additionally, there’s some people who embrace hyper-sexuality as a reaction against the prudishness imposed by Christianity - but at the same time, it’s possible to still have certain brainworms instilled by Christianity among those who consciously reject it.

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• FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Ours is a nation of puritanical hypocrites.

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• nman90@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  I would say religion being a big one telling people that its bad and the devil is tempting you which makes it forbidden and forbidden things are more alluring. Another is impulse control is really bad because of our over indulging mindset, take a look at our obesity rates as another good example, yes there are medical issues that can cause this but I doubt that it would account for this much.

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• then_three_more@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  It’s the Anglo Saxon. Us Brits are the same.

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• rottingleaf@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Especially in a country that’s known worldwide for its hyper sexuality

  After all the hentai in the interwebs and some Shaman King and Naruto characters, I’m not sure.

  Where does this prudishness come from?

  Christianity, I’d guess.

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• Rob1992@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Religion, pretty sure that the gist of it

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• ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world ⁨3⁩ ⁨weeks⁩ ago

  Everyone is too afraid to break the norm, it’s easy to go along with everyone being naked but if you’re the first to break tradition you get ogled

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