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It’s a real shame that a lot of atheist communities online are just circle jerk condescending bs. There are some interesting discussions to be had but I guess we’ll have to look elsewhere.
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Submitted 4 weeks ago by Godric@lemmy.world to [deleted]
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Aurenkin@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Godric@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Deadass, it seems like atheist communities are full of these vibes
Like I was that kid once, but grow up please
tias@discuss.tchncs.de 4 weeks ago
Well maybe many of those communities are actually filled with 14 year olds
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org 4 weeks ago
I mean, if you wanna talk about the multiple books that I’ve read about Judaism and early christianity this year, I’m down.
One was about Jesus as a messianic Jewish preacher. Another was about how he went from messiah to God after his death. Another was about how he ingeniously social-engineered his way to the cross because he believed he was the messiah because he was so clever that he was able to make it happen. Another is about the author’s thesis that he was never intended to be seen as a historical person and that he always existed in heaven but was crucified in the firmament between heaven and earth but then the new idea developed. That’s half so far.
Godric@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Hey some guy, if you wanna talk about books you’ve read this year, you gotta list the titles to attract people who have read said books.
Or… at least to enlighten us poor stupid fuckin idiots who can’t surmise what you read from your vague ass descriptions…
See above
MentalEdge@sopuli.xyz 4 weeks ago
I kind a comment by you that got removed a year ago, but no ban.
rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Are you insinuating someone would LIE in a shitpost?
MehBlah@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Godric@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Where’s the “lie”??
I can no longer post in the community, and they found I once commented on a grandpa-tier ‘me stand against the IS-LAMS’ meme as a possible reason why.
Trust me, if i could shitpost in my people’s meme community, I would!
Godric@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Sounds about right, if I saw disgusting Islamophobia I would call it out, IDC if they believe in X fairytale, there’s generally a line.
frezik@midwest.social 4 weeks ago
Have you tried sprinkling a random reference to “sky fairy” in your post? Teenage atheists think they’re clever every time they hit that one.
Godric@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Fuck off, everyone knows it’s the “magic” sky fairy, fake fan
OpenStars@discuss.online 4 weeks ago
Meatball man…🎼
In the sky… 🎵
Flying high… 🎶
angrystego@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I think teenage atheists are right that they’re clever using it. It’s kind of age appropriate.
Nutteman@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I made fun of their very early reddit-type edgelord memes and they banned my ass too
Godric@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Very cringe, very nice
Godric@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Very based, very cool, thank you Kanye
kameecoding@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I think I am banned from there too, don’t even know why, I think I managed to find the log once and it something like “no idiots” I don’t even remember posting there, I just remember it being annoying as fuck and being full of le fedora atheist circlejerk shit.
Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I’ve posted something unintelligent as an experiment. Now we wait 😉
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
You’ll be accepted in kind, I assume ;)
ininewcrow@lemmy.ca 4 weeks ago
Maybe because you didn’t have enough faith
ZeroCool@slrpnk.net 4 weeks ago
Impossible. I watched the music video for Faith by Limp Bizkit every afternoon on TRL for like three months straight in 7th grade. I was up to my eyeballs in faith!
Godric@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Orther! I got a plan! We just gotta HAVE FAITH
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Good meme, butthurt community
Godric@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Amen
pancakes@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
Thank you for sacrificing yourself for our memes.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
yeah i get the feeling that some of the trigger happy reddit mods have migrated here and on .ml
OpenStars@discuss.online 4 weeks ago
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Unrelated to the post but is /c/communityname a valid link on some apps/platforms? Or is it just a carryover from R word?
spicytuna62@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Just a carryover. You reference communities here with an exclamation point. For instance:
!atheistmemes
OpenStars@discuss.online 4 weeks ago
No it’s not “just” a carryover - it’s a valid link actually, if you put it into the link portion of a URL, even without the http part.
Also, your first exclamation link does not work. Probably bc it lacks the ending part so like !atheistmemes@lemmy.world.
This is all explained much better than my words here: Guide | How should I link to a community?
JusticeForPorygon@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
!ligma
OpenStars@discuss.online 4 weeks ago
This will help: Guide | How should I link to a community?.
I assembled that link specifically for you on lemmy.world, but for anyone else on another instance who wants it, note that links to posts do not really work well since they take you off of your instance to go there, but you can either paste the link to the search bar to “translate” it into one that works on your instance, or in this case it’s easier to just go to !newtolemmy@lemmy.ca and it’s one of the posts near the top.
Godric@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Just a carryover, I’m not typing out the fqdn for that circus
don@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Hmmm. User claims to be atheist, has
godin their name. I’m immediately suspicious.Godric@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Shit, they’re on to me!
Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 4 weeks ago
Why do all the fedora guys look like Dollar Store Matthew Lillard?
celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
What exciting developments have occurred in the world of atheism recently? Seems like the same circlejerks by 14 year olds today as it was decades ago. Cool, you don’t believe in fairy tales. Better spend a lot of time talking to other 14 year olds about how you don’t believe in fairy tales.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
You mean how do we not believe in something harder?
Kolanaki@yiffit.net 4 weeks ago
Become so much of an Atheist, that your disbelief in God sucks the faith right out of theists.
Maalus@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Sorry, atheists don’t talk to 14yo boys. That’s the clergy usually
finitebanjo@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Checked his post history, checks out certified athiest.
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 4 weeks ago
M’lady.
Juice@midwest.social 4 weeks ago
There’s a philosophy called dialectics where opposites actually define one another. Atheism is a really good example of this IMO. Atheists usually define their beliefs as “no religion” but in practice they are anti-god, anti-religion. This means that even though religion has its own internal logic, being anti-religion has an opposite logic: what is good over here is bad over there. So it really ends up being that theism and atheism, through their contradictory traits, embody a single rational system.
But as many people have learned, through wrestling with these contradictions, we eventually reach a third stage where we just don’t give a shit anymore, or maybe we develop some ways of grappling with metaphysical questions which religion is really good at but atheism basically just deny these problems even exist. I think that’s why we often relate atheism as being childish, because a lot of people who are self aware and introspective will start out with a religious phase, then go through an atheist phase, and finally land in that secret third thing that is unique to the individual and their community.
I was recently reading a book about Hegel and early Marx, and the author Cyril Smith quoted one of Marx’s letters saying something like, “atheists are like children trying to reassure a grownup that they don’t believe in the bogeyman” do it seems like these “reddit atheists” have been on this same bullshit for at least the last 150 years
JaymesRS@literature.cafe 4 weeks ago
I don’t know, saying “I don’t have proof, I just believe” doesn’t seem like any sort of internal “logic” to me.
And while there are a lot of vocal people who are anti theists, most of us just look at believers like we would real people who are too afraid to say Voldemort’s name so he won’t come back because they can’t separate stories from reality.
Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
Bad example, turns out Voldemort actually had a curse on his name and it was a good idea to not say it
Juice@midwest.social 4 weeks ago
Well I was specific to say that you have to look at things dialectically in order to see the connection. When you describe other people’s beliefs, you say they believe in something that doesn’t exist. So in order for something to exist, it has to be a “thing” or an object. This is its own type of logic called “Empiricism” or more radically, “Positivism”. Empiricism is a really good basis for reasoning, especially scientific reasoning. The creation of Empiricist reasoning is the intellectual basis for the (notably Atheistic) Enlightenment, which is the ideological superstructure for our current Modernist milieu.
But empiricism is actually bad at other kinds of epistemology (theory of knowledge.) For example, it necessarily divides the objective and the subjective into two separate “things”, as well as the mind and body. This leads to some wonky conclusions about metaphysics and the self, particularly where human experience meets nature. Empiricism is great at categorizing, but often fails to reassemble the collection of objects back into a monistic whole. As such Empiricism’s theory of social is extremely atomized and individualistic.
Like the way you describe religion, as " trust me bro this thing exists," is a perfect example. There is that part to it, the belief in a god, but there is also creation and appreciation of monuments and temples, ritual, community, social events, group study, all of these human experiences that collectively make up the very real and undeniable power of religion. But my understanding of your explanation just has a bunch of alienated individuals with the same wrong ideas, with no explanation or historical context as to how things became this way. This is also how people come to the very wrong assumption that the value of money doesn’t exist. Because it doesn’t have an objective form, it doesn’t exist. This is just completely untrue. It is socially real, which is as real as any object. In fact religious belief and power is just another form of social currency.
Augustine, Aquinas, Anselm and countless other philosopher theologians imbued Christianity with a consistent, self supporting logic. That was their job, and they have been extremely successful. We can discuss the limitations and shortcomings of that logic, but denying that it is logical is just willful ignorance.
Dialectics has its own shortcomings, so I’m not arguing that one is better than the other. But each form of epistemic reasoning, of which religious belief undeniably contains a vast epistemology, has certain advantages and shortcomings. In my opinion our task isn’t to find one way of reasoning and then brow beat others into accepting that reasoning, this is a form of fundamentalism – a way of determining knowledge, meaning and truth that supercedes all others in every way; which is exactly what religious fundamentalists want people to believe (so those people can be exploited, as fundamentalism always serves some higher power whether it be religious or economic.) Instead I think we should learn as much as we can, acknowledge the strengths and shortcomings of each way of conducting analysis, as well as our own strengths and weaknesses in doing so, and use them as tools to help us understand the world that exists. Leave nothing out, embrace contradiction, and learn how to become the most fulfilled, practical and honest selves.
But then again, everyone is on a different path ;)
WeirdGoesPro@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 weeks ago
There are metaphysical religions that explore that third state—a sort of mystical atheism that acknowledges spiritual feelings while rejecting a simplistic controller god. Thelema is a good example.
anzo@programming.dev 4 weeks ago
I believe in all the gods, goddesses, and spirits. Join me :)
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br 4 weeks ago
I was banned because I said that a meme wasn’t Atheist but plain Islamophobia. No explanation given.
Soluna@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 weeks ago
This is such a huge problem in atheism communities, which is why I don’t spend any time in them despite being secular and non religious myself (yeah, I honestly don’t even like using the term “atheist” anymore). Religious or not, you shouldn’t be telling people what to believe or how to believe. That goes for hardline Christian nationalists just as much as it goes for hardline Atheists attacking anyone of faith. If it’s not hurting anyone, let people believe what they believe.
Godric@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The constant angry circlejerk abounds. Deadass I got way more atheist mileage out of the DankChristianMemes sub than any atheist sub on the old place.
Some fuckers are too euphoric to have fun it seems.
frezik@midwest.social 4 weeks ago
Thanks, Sam Harris.
I read “The Moral Landscape”. 90% of it is pretty good, but he’ll randomly drop “and that’s why we need to be worried about Islamic takeover of western Europe” into something completely unrelated. He spends a lot more time complaining about Islamic fundamentalist than he does the Christian fundamentalist who actually have political power in the US (and to a lesser degree, western Europe). Then you get to a chapter that’s all about religious influence on society, but it’s all about relatively relaxed Christians who have Ph.Ds in some field and show up at scientific conferences.
You might expect a word somewhere about the fundamentalist Christians who control roughly half of Congress, but no. It’s all Muslims and Christians who make it a more personal thing.
reliv3@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I agree with this sentiment, but Christianity is partly defined by “spreading the word of god”. So “telling people what to believe” is par for the course (think missionaries).
Curious though, why do you not refer to yourself as atheist? Non-religious is actually not very specific. Non-religious can mean Agnostic Theist, Agnostic Atheist, or Atheist.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
I would agree, but I’ve actually become sympathetic to the opposite viewpoint recently. It is hurting people. Look at the policy decisions in the US that are driven by religious fundamentalism. Heck, just think about the core premise that faith is stronger than reason. That’s an inherently problematic and extremely exploitable viewpoint. I don’t think something like religion can be counted as harmless by ignoring all the examples of harm that it causes. If a belief is only not dangerous when it agrees with other beliefs, and is dangerous when it disagrees, then that is a fundamentally dangerous belief all the time, which only becomes apparent sometimes. I think religion has a purpose, to give community to those who need it, but fundamentally it is not good.
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___ If God is reading this, I’m sorry, but I do hope I get points for trying to hold good beliefs from fundamentals. It’s also a reasonable religious viewpoint that organized religion has been taken over by the literal Antichrist. You could say that I hold faith that good acts are judged accordingly regardless of religion. …I would make a really weird Christian.
keropoktasen@lemmy.world 4 weeks ago
The mod clearly is not an atheist. What kind of atheist is afraid to demonize islam?
JaymesRS@literature.cafe 4 weeks ago
Without knowing the situation, in the world as it exists today, there’s a lot of racist people that use Muslim or anti-Muslim rhetoric to refer to or denigrate any person of roughly Middle Eastern descent. Think of how many stories there were of Sikhs that were assaulted physically or verbally after September 11.
A moderator or admin who is aware of this could easily still allow criticism of Islam, the religion, while taking actions against those who are just being racist assholes with a veneer of anti religion. I have seen this many times before.